He was a core member Tuesday
- walshyleafsfan

I think they are banking on Dubois who makes McCann expendable. McCann is probably too weak and too soft for the type of team JB is building. Dubois is bigger, more physical and definitely has had a better junior career with an advantage in upside.

I say this often. The Oilers model stinks. It dumb to think that you have to build every piece from the draft and acquiring 24 year old players with a entire prime ahead of them is contradictory.. You know, 10 years down the road when you realize doing the entire job through the draft didnt make you more than a middling team, you can always fire the GM and take another 10 year run at it... long as you keep doing it "right" over the decades... no one will care that you are the new Oilers.

- boonerbuck

There is a lot of factors at play as well. Chemistry with teammates, leadership, experience, ECT. The Draft is one aspect of building a team. We still need to be competitive during a rebuild. We need people who have won in the past as well as people who know loss. There is a gap being filled and you have to give to get.

I think a player like Sutter is a fundamental piece when you are loading your team with young players. His defensive game will educate and benefit the young players. Positive habit building. I see the logic behind saying that.



- boonerbuck

I don't....I think it's a ridiculous statement!! You don't call a good third liner checker/penalty killer a foundational piece.

I think a player like Sutter is a fundamental piece when you are loading your team with young players. His defensive game will educate and benefit the young players. Positive habit building. I see the logic behind saying that.



- boonerbuck

Is he actually playing defense now? I swear in PIT his lack of defensive contribution and horrible corsi for was overlooked due to his 20 goals and occasional SH goal

So with some depth at D, who now gets traded for some picks?

44 MATT BARTKOWSKI 6' 1" 196 4 JUN 1988 27 PITTSBURGH, PA, USA
55 ALEX BIEGA 5' 10" 187 4 APR 1988 28 MONTREAL, QC, CAN
23 ALEXANDER EDLER ** 6' 3" 215 21 APR 1986 30 OSTERSUND, SWE
ERIK GUDBRANSON 6' 5" 216 7 JAN 1992 24 OTTAWA, ON, CAN
27 BEN HUTTON 6' 2" 183 20 APR 1993 23 BROCKVILLE, ON, CAN
5 LUCA SBISA 6' 2" 198 30 JAN 1990 26 OZIERI, ITA
8 CHRISTOPHER TANEV 6' 2" 185 20 DEC 1989 26 TORONTO, ON, CAN
88 NIKITA TRYAMKIN 6' 7" 228 30 AUG 1994 21 YEKATERINBUG, RUS
6 YANNICK WEBER 5' 11" 200 23 SEP 1988 27 MORGES, CHE

I would not be opposed to signing Hamhuis for cheap, and running with Hamhuis, Edler, Gudbranson, Hutton, and then any Tryamkin, Bartkowski, Biega fighting it out for the bottom pairing.

Trade away Sbisa, and Weber.

And no, I did not take into account what side each guy plays on.

Go back and read what the actual discussion was about if your up for it. It was about whether the Seahawks winning was considered a Vancouver area championship or not.


btw I totally endorse tanking if it wins championships
- DeflatedPucks

Endorsing intentional losing is a mockery. Quote a pro who thinks that way.
Thats why the pros make the show & the pundits talk silly.

I don't....I think it's a ridiculous statement!! You don't call a good third liner checker/penalty killer a foundational piece.
- LeftCoaster

I don't....I think it's a ridiculous statement!! You don't call a good third liner checker/penalty killer a foundational piece.
- LeftCoaster

Don't mention to them that he's basically Tyler Bozak

And when someone brings up his scoring potential mention he's like 26 or 27 and had his career high in points beat by an overmatched Bo Horvat this season

I'm done defending a great trade to the hysterics crowd

I will leave with this:

Gundbranson-pedan-tree-sbisa

That's got to be the largest and meanest D in the league

Hopefully Edler can stay healthy and Hutton can grow offensively. Larson can swap in for Pedan when we need extra offense!
- CanuckDon

Holy (frank)

Three of those guys are 6/7/8 dmen, two of them might not even be on the team next year.

And if you are going to tank, tank like a champ. Not like Buffalo which tanked outright and then failed in landing mcjesus followed by their GM throwing a hissy fit
- DeflatedPucks

True & Buffalos failed tank had a big hand why the Lottery changed & cost us a 3OA.
Thats life & we payed the price for it. We will move on👍🏻

My first reaction to the the trade was WTF??

Having some time to digest it I think it was a good move. I think Benning overpaid with the 2nd round pick (as he has done in the past) but I think he filled a massive hole in the roster. The D has been a tire fire for a couple of years now and he was able to acquire a 24 year old 6'4'' right handed top 4 defenceman.

"Young" forwards the Canucks currently have in the system: Horvat, Sven, Virtanen, Boeser and this years 1st.

Centers the Canucks have in the system: Sedin, Sutter, Horvat, Granlund (potentially the 1st)

And for everyone whining about losing McCann, he has been in probably half of all trade proposals on this board for the past 2 months

I'm guessing that Benning didn't have anyone at 33 that he felt would be as good as Gudbrandson.

This team needs guys like Gudbrandson and Tryminkin to match up against the bigger teams in the west. How many times were there complaints about how soft the back end was and how they got pushed around

I think a lot of people are also looking at this trade as a singular entity. We have no idea how the roster is going to look in October. Bennning could have another deal or 2 on the go and we still have free agency to go through.

Losing McCann and a 2nd sucks but its tough to not say the defence looks better then it did yesterday which was a glaring weakness last year.

As far as offence goes, Boeser is coming along and we will have the this years first. I pretty confident that Benning will sign another top 6 forward UFA.
- fiveandagame

Spot on comment. I liked McCann and wasn't thrilled to give up the 2nd round pick, but once you think this trade through, it helps our defence get bigger, faster and meaner. Do you really want to suffer through another season of our defence getting pushed around by the big forwards in San Jose, LA and Anaheim?

McCann will be a good NHL player and I hope it works our for him in Florida. It was likely he would have gone to Utica this season. But the cost for a top 4 defensemen in today's NHL is high (see G.Reinhart/D.Hamilton) and not that I've watched a lot of Panther games, but from what I have seen and the first round playoffs this year, I was impressed with EG and thought how great it would be to have a player like that on the Canucks. He will be better than any d-prospect we would have got at 33 this year.

Sign a free agent top 6 forward or two this summer and we are in a much better spot than last year. Plus we'll see how Rodin and Larsen work out. Future looks better with our top pick (Tkachuk/Dubois) and Boeser coming in the following year. Looking forward to the moves to come this summer. In JB we trust.

If it was all about winning now, they would be trading for vets often which are always available and at a bargain. They are trading for young players who's entire prime is ahead of them.

You are starting to spin things off like the whiners.

- boonerbuck

Yup.

Yup.

I don't, he's struggled too much when put there. But at least he has potential. I'm sorry to be Debbie-downer here, but for a team that should be rebuilding through the draft, considering they have zero chance of competing next year, I'm pissed that Benning's continually pissing away draft picks and a good talented young player like McCann for an upgrade that may not be around in three or four years when they MIGHT be good again.
- LeftCoaster

You're starting to sound like me...

I'm not proposing an Oilers rebuild, I've never said do that. I like Gudbranson, I just don't think the team is stacked enough with prospects or picks to be trading for immediate help when they still have so many holes to fill.

The defence will be better, no question, for a team that finished with the worst goal differential in the league they need significant improvement back there.

Now how do they fix the fact they have one top six winger in Daniel? I'm all for fixing holes when you're dealing from a position of strength, which takes patience to build, but Bennng never does that.
- LeftCoaster

One top 6 winger? bae, Virt and Boeser. Potentially Dubois or Tkachuk. McCann isn't close to any of these guys dude. MAYBE he might be but you are grasping at straws here

He wasn't expendable to me because you have Henrik and Horvat as top six centers, and Henrik is going to retire shortly, so that leaves ONE guy to play center.

Grandlund is garbage, Sutter is a third liner, Dubois is 18 years old and might not be available at 5th.

Foresight! You need centers to win in this league.
- LeftCoaster

True this but D wins cups more often. We lacked badly on D & losing McCann is easier fixed by a UFA or draft. Some over value the 33OA. Biega clears waivers & goes the A.

Yep,,, too weak for a center. I already thought that after last season.
- boonerbuck

I don't know about that, he's very young. I'm sure we will all watch him closely from here on out.

Kipper & McLean both like the deal for VanCity.
Hockey Central on now.

Holy (frank)

Three of those guys are 6/7/8 dmen, two of them might not even be on the team next year.
- LeftCoaster

3/4 the 4 will be. We had the softest D in the league last year and have inserted a 6'7.658 Tree and 6'5 Gundbranson. Fixes a lot of problems quickly.

I don't know about that, he's very young. I'm sure we will all watch him closely from here on out.
- golfingsince

Sam Bennett was too weak to ever be an NHLer until a teenager started to physically mature more and put on muscle and stuff that growing kids do

You're starting to sound like me...
- bloatedmosquito

I'm just really against trying to win now with the poop that is the Vancouver Canucks! They've got some good young pieces Benning put together in two short years, Demko, Virtanen, Boeser & Tryamkin, but they've gotta continue down that path and give up this idea they can be a playoff team!

That train of thought will have them continuing down the path of mediocrity for the foreseeable future...I'm sick of that!!!!!!!!!!

See above, it just doesn't make sense to me considering the current state of the team. They don't have enough assets to start trading picks and prospects. They're not in a position to compete right now, that's what frustrates me.
- LeftCoaster

I disagree. They could trade McCann... and they did. I'd rather Dubois as a center and I like the direction this team is going with bigger wingers. We have Sven as a smaller skilled winger, no need for another in McCann. He was a tradeable asset in JB's eyes. It's going to be a wait and see thingy as usual.

I agree that there is an over payment if you only have a singular mind but I'm not blocking out the fact that you have to overpay for a young RD. I laugh at the people who were making these silly trade proposals for Barrie. Never in a million years would the Avs trade for so little. People just don't get it... hence all this hand wringing about this trade...

3/4 the 4 will be. We had the softest D in the league last year and have inserted a 6'7.658 Tree and 6'5 Gundbranson. Fixes a lot of problems quickly.
- CanuckDon

Being tall doesn't make you good, I'm living proof of that!

- Marwood

At some point you are going to have to accept analytics. It’s driving the game now. Look at what the Coyotes have done. Same goes with TO. Analytic guys in key management positions.

Don’t be that “TV is a fad” guy.

So with some depth at D, who now gets traded for some picks?

44 MATT BARTKOWSKI 6' 1" 196 4 JUN 1988 27 PITTSBURGH, PA, USA
55 ALEX BIEGA 5' 10" 187 4 APR 1988 28 MONTREAL, QC, CAN
23 ALEXANDER EDLER ** 6' 3" 215 21 APR 1986 30 OSTERSUND, SWE
ERIK GUDBRANSON 6' 5" 216 7 JAN 1992 24 OTTAWA, ON, CAN
27 BEN HUTTON 6' 2" 183 20 APR 1993 23 BROCKVILLE, ON, CAN
5 LUCA SBISA 6' 2" 198 30 JAN 1990 26 OZIERI, ITA
8 CHRISTOPHER TANEV 6' 2" 185 20 DEC 1989 26 TORONTO, ON, CAN
88 NIKITA TRYAMKIN 6' 7" 228 30 AUG 1994 21 YEKATERINBUG, RUS
6 YANNICK WEBER 5' 11" 200 23 SEP 1988 27 MORGES, CHE

I would not be opposed to signing Hamhuis for cheap, and running with Hamhuis, Edler, Gudbranson, Hutton, and then any Tryamkin, Bartkowski, Biega fighting it out for the bottom pairing.

Trade away Sbisa, and Weber.

And no, I did not take into account what side each guy plays on.
- moondawg

With our 1st for a 2nd and a 3rd.

Kipper & McLean both like the deal for VanCity.
Hockey Central on now.
- Nighthawk

If there is one thing I've learned its that you want to be on the side of a pair of guys who praised the David Clarkson and Dave Bolland contracts