What I find fascinating is that the 19 year old kid that made the league isn't the big loss, the 2nd round pick with a 50% chance of even making it is.
- golfingsince

The 19 year old who put up basically third line numbers with extremely limited PP time?Yeah it boggles my mind that it isn't seen as a loss either, but I guess he's weak and would never get stronger ever.

If there is one thing I've learned its that you want to be on the side of a pair of guys who praised the David Clarkson and Dave Bolland contracts
- Lindenis#1

Don't shoot the messenger. Name someone who is bang on always?
To even mention Boland & Clarkson, TO major flops has to do with what exactly?

Been awhile since we experienced a long stretch of mediocrity.
Loan me your crystal would ya if it works so well. 😂😂
- Nighthawk

Yes I know they had a good ten to twelve year run as a good team, but they've finished sixth and third worst in the league the past three years and they only been past the second round once in those twelve years.

I'm sorry NH but that doesn't scream Champion to me! Yes they've had good teams, but as a 50 year old man I've been watching a lot of mediocre teams in the past 40 years.

I'm not proposing an Oilers rebuild, I've never said do that. I like Gudbranson, I just don't think the team is stacked enough with prospects or picks to be trading for immediate help when they still have so many holes to fill.

The defence will be better, no question, for a team that finished with the worst goal differential in the league they need significant improvement back there.

Now how do they fix the fact they have one top six winger in Daniel? I'm all for fixing holes when you're dealing from a position of strength, which takes patience to build, but Bennng never does that.
- LeftCoaster

So we draft a player and trade him for a player who is NHL proven with his full prime ahead of him in a position we are suffering in and you call that detrimental to the rebuild... what ever Lefty... keep spinning. I'll continue to call it a rebuild...

McCann looks terribly soft even for a rookie. After this draft, we will have more of the players JB sees as his model. He apparently likes bigger guys like JV, Dubois, Tkachuck, Boeser for our top 6. McCann was the obvious choice to move for a big young physical RD. Sven also helped make JM expendable as a winger.

I wish it didnt take the 2nd rounder to close the deal. That sucks. JB proabaly was planning on selecting D with it. Acquiring EG makes that somewhat of a wash much like giving up the 2nd for Sven. When it fills the hole you were hoping to fill with that selection... it's more or less the same thing... except this time there is much less risk since EG is proven.

Step back and take a wider look. I know you could do this in the past...

Don't shoot the messenger. Name someone who is bang on always?
To even mention Boland & Clarkson, TO major flops has to do with what exactly?
- Nighthawk

Those guys are idiots.

I'm not proposing an Oilers rebuild, I've never said do that. I like Gudbranson, I just don't think the team is stacked enough with prospects or picks to be trading for immediate help when they still have so many holes to fill.

The defence will be better, no question, for a team that finished with the worst goal differential in the league they need significant improvement back there.

Now how do they fix the fact they have one top six winger in Daniel? I'm all for fixing holes when you're dealing from a position of strength, which takes patience to build, but Bennng never does that.
- LeftCoaster


- leftcoaster

Just don't put Dallas Eakins and a Russian together

I ain't reading through all the posts, so apologies if this has been covered.
I like the move.
We all knew D was the most glaring need. We get a big young rightie.
It is tough giving up JM and a 2nd.

There has got to be more moves coming though. As he is clearly not the puck moving pp Qb we need and seems similar in skillset to tanev, Sbisa, hamhuis; etc.

I like the top 4 much more now.

Elder tanev
Hutton guds
Tryamkin Sbisa
Larsen pedan
Biega


Wouldn't mind seeing Sbisa moved with Hansen for prospect and pick (2nd)

Overall.
- dbot

I agree

I like Gudbranson. But wtf is benning doing giving up more draft picks? The guy just can't trade, he loses them all. It's (frank)ing frustrating that he's allowed to trade all our picks.
- Scooby_Doo

U don't like his drafting or r u in love with draft picks?
Was not long ago ppl here crapping bricks about no TDL deals but now when he gets a young RHD some ppl go off on picks gone boo hoo there goes unknown prospects.
Assets r assets idc how used as long as i see the reason behind it I'm cool.

U don't like his drafting or r u in love with draft picks?
Was not long ago ppl here crapping bricks about no TDL deals but now when he gets a young RHD some ppl go off on picks gone boo hoo there goes unknown prospects.
Assets r assets idc how used as long as i see the reason behind it I'm cool.
- Nighthawk

To be fair, the deadline deals were about acquiring futures not giving them away.

Sure.
Any lunch dates today?
- Marwood

Who drives the van? You or Canada cup?

To be fair, the deadline deals were about acquiring futures not giving them away.
- golfingsince

"You get a 2nd round pick, and you get a 2nd round pick..Everyone gets a second round pick!"
- Jim "White Oprah" Benning

(has traded away 4 2nd rounders...so far)

I don't....I think it's a ridiculous statement!! You don't call a good third liner checker/penalty killer a foundational piece.
- LeftCoaster

In a rebuild you do.

You really do get too would up over what JB says to the media. I've been laughing at this for a long time now. Like I always suggest, look at what he's doing rather than what he and the media and fans say.

Yes I know they had a good ten to twelve year run as a good team, but they've finished sixth and third worst in the league the past three years and they only been past the second round once in those twelve years.

I'm sorry NH but that doesn't scream Champion to me! Yes they've had good teams, but as a 50 year old man I've been watching a lot of mediocre teams in the past 40 years.
- LeftCoaster

True true

Still we pushed the Cup window & arrived here.
Watching 50yrs of Canucks hockey has taught me patience lol
I see the strategy JB laid out & is still pursuing.
He is not done yet.

So we draft a player and trade him for a player who is NHL proven with his full prime ahead of him in a position we are suffering in and you call that detrimental to the rebuild... what ever Lefty... keep spinning. I'll continue to call it a rebuild...

McCann looks terribly soft even for a rookie. After this draft, we will have more of the players JB sees as his model. He apparently likes bigger guys like JV, Dubois, Tkachuck, Boeser for our top 6. McCann was the obvious choice to move for a big young physical RD. Sven also helped make JM expendable as a winger.

I wish it didnt take the 2nd rounder to close the deal. That sucks. JB proabaly was planning on selecting D with it. Acquiring EG makes that somewhat of a wash much like giving up the 2nd for Sven. When it fills the hole you were hoping to fill with that selection... it's more or less the same thing... except this time there is much less risk since EG is proven.

Step back and take a wider look. I know you could do this in the past...
- boonerbuck

My bigger picture says if you're gonna trade for a needed player like Gudbrason, trade from a position of strength. The team has two centers under the age of 25, Horvat and McCann, now they have one.

I'm a big proponent of building with centers and defense. Henrik retires in two years, where's the succession plan for down the middle?

Dubois, if he's available and they select him, will be 19 years old (turning 20) or in the same position Horvat was in as a fourth line center last year. He doesn't fill Henriks spot.

In a rebuild you do.

You really do get too would up over what JB says to the media. I've been laughing at this for a long time now. Like I always suggest, look at what he's doing rather than what he and the media and fans say.

- boonerbuck

I think he's a knucklehead to begin with, his one and only talent is prospect evaluation, what he says just makes me laugh even harder at him.

I'm not wound up...just up for a lounging discussion day. If I'm coming across as all wound up, I'm not, just passionate about how I'd like to see the future unfold.

My bigger picture says if you're gonna trade for a needed player like Gudbrason, trade from a position of strength. The team has two centers under the age of 25, Horvat and McCann, now they have one.

I'm a big proponent of building with centers and defense. Henrik retires in two years, where's the succession plan for down the middle?

Dubois, if he's available and they select him, will be 19 years old (turning 20) or in the same position Horvat was in as a fourth line center last year. He doesn't fill Henriks spot.
- LeftCoaster

Horvat Fills in for Hank when he retires, Sutter on the 2nd line Dubois(if they pick him)
on the 3rd or 4th line

One top 6 winger? bae, Virt and Boeser. Potentially Dubois or Tkachuk. McCann isn't close to any of these guys dude. MAYBE he might be but you are grasping at straws here
- CanuckDon

Exactly.

To be fair, the deadline deals were about acquiring futures not giving them away.
- golfingsince

JB wanted a hockey trade not futures at the TDL.
Yes if Vrbata was worth more than a roll of toilet paper he was moved.
Hawks wanted Ladd more than D & they r golfing early this year😂😂👍🏻

In a rebuild you do.

You really do get too would up over what JB says to the media. I've been laughing at this for a long time now. Like I always suggest, look at what he's doing rather than what he and the media and fans say.

- boonerbuck

exactly. what else does he say to the media? could you imagine if sutter heard that benning called him a space-filler or gap-filler?

True true

Still we pushed the Cup window & arrived here.
Watching 50yrs of Canucks hockey has taught me patience lol
I see the strategy JB laid out & is still pursuing.
He is not done yet.
- Nighthawk

We'll see how that pans out. So far in the immediate he's not made the team better, he has however made the future brighter with his drafting.

Horvat Fills in for Hank when he retires, Sutter on the 2nd line Dubois(if they pick him)
on the 3rd or 4th line
- GloveHandStrong

I hope that comes to fruition, but it's a big leap of faith at this point. Also, Sutter as a top six center means you've got a weak team.

Stay at home defender Erik Gudbranson's shots against impact comparable to Jared Cowen and Nate Guenin. He's not who you think he is.
— Travis Yost (@travisyost) May 26, 2016

And that's his supposed strength. His EV scoring rates are Adam McQuaid and Luca Sbisa. This is just lunacy.
— Travis Yost (@travisyost) May 26, 2016

Those guys are idiots.
- Lindenis#1

You would know.

Ok I'll spell it out for you, I like Tryamkin and Gudbrason, good 4/5/6 guys for sure, I don't like overpaying assets for Gudbranson...that's my deal.
- LeftCoaster

Well I guess there is a huge discrepancy in how I view these two players. I see them as top 4 D and you don't. Obviously Tree may take some time. You continually seem to discount what the market rate is for young top 4 D. The Oilers paid more for Reinhart who split the season in the AHL. You are too attached to the kids. Everyone on the roster is a commodity

I think he's a knucklehead to begin with, his one and only talent is prospect evaluation, what he says just makes me laugh even harder at him.

I'm not wound up...just up for a lounging discussion day. If I'm coming across as all wound up, I'm not, just passionate about how I'd like to see the future unfold.
- LeftCoaster

I kind of thought that he was done giving away draft picks for "younger" players to bridge the gap. Need some of the prospects in a couple of years that can move up and down without waivers. To me this trade should have been made when this team is ready to compete and has prospect depth at more then one position. The rumours is he wants 5 million a season, worries me.