With all due respect though, If I have to choose Marner/Nylander/Matthews or Bo/JV/Boeser I take the former group 11 times out of 10.
- lumlums

Hard to argue that except the sample size is minimal.

Or you could have finished a couple of places higher, then get bumped to 2nd
- lumlums

With all due respect though, If I have to choose Marner/Nylander/Matthews or Bo/JV/Boeser I take the former group 11 times out of 10.
- lumlums

Marner small has not proven anything in the NHL.

Nylander called lazy two weeks ago by his AHL coach.

Mathews definitely.

He is something I think will happen this year and you will hate it. I see Benning trading for Torey Krug . If fills the 2 nd pair LHD that scores and puts up points.

Krug will be out at the start of next season with hand surgery and Benning is familiar . Don't be surprised to see it happen.

I think it would be JV going back too .
- VANTEL

I don't see it happening. I'd target Vatanen 1st with expansion draft coming soon.

Yes this is true but also also picking up NHL ready talent using picks makes sense.
- Nighthawk

agreed. but timing has to be right.

leafs aren't there yet imo ... maybe stamkos changes things.

I don’t see the timing being right for the nucks. Simply trying to make the playoffs to give the sedins one last hurrah. Will be a wasted 2 years.

Marner small has not proven anything in the NHL.

Nylander called lazy two weeks ago by his AHL coach.

Mathews definitely.
- VANTEL

Find me where he was called lazy

Marner small has not proven anything in the NHL.

Nylander called lazy two weeks ago by his AHL coach.

Mathews definitely.
- VANTEL

I can see all 3 as game breakers or struggle against men.
With Marner i am concerned he will get pumped along with Nylander.

Marner small has not proven anything in the NHL.

Nylander called lazy two weeks ago by his AHL coach.

Mathews definitely.
- VANTEL

Marner same height and a few lbs lighter than Kane. Saying that he's proven nothing in the NHL less than a year after his draft seems somewhat premature.

Nylander has broken records in PPG in most leagues he's played in.

Matthews

agreed. but timing has to be right.

leafs aren't there yet imo ... maybe stamkos changes things.

I don’t see the timing being right for the nucks. Simply trying to make the playoffs to give the sedins one last hurrah. Will be a wasted 2 years.
- Tumbleweed

Change nucks & insert FA

Pretty much says it all.

http://www.tsn.ca/panther...n-lopsided-trade-1.496247

No one (me) ever said build only thru the draft, you build a core thru the draft and then you surround them when the time is right. The Canucks don't have a core to surround yet.
- LeftCoaster

You more or less are saying it when you are against trading young players and non 1st round picks for other young players. I have noticed the contradiction like Vantel pointed out though. I

We are talking about adding players who can still be in their prime while players like Horvat, Boeser, JV, and this years forward pick are entering their prime. Clearly, there's a difference in adding a 24 year old defensemen with experience and upside still in one package. D peak at an older age. The gap is not as big as you are making it sound. If he were older, I'd agree.

In my opinion they're not there yet. I don't see a core of players to surround. There's a lot of holes in the team.
- LeftCoaster

He just added a young player to the core that is coming in. His age is 24 not 34.

Except for the better prospects thing yes
- ClarksonDavid

Yeah but Oilers prospects are better than yours and they finished 29 th .

Until you move out of the bottom 10 , all it is is a bunch of guys pounding chests saying our team is going to be better than yours.

Need proof . You have been at the bottom for a long time and I don't see how a bunch of prospects that have played less than 25 NHL games combined changes my thoughts.

I can see all 3 as game breakers or struggle against men.
With Marner i am concerned he will get pumped along with Nylander.
- Nighthawk

While Small Marner is the best player in Junior hockey and one of the best prospects in the world.. not worried about him. Nylander should be an alright 2nd line center.

Marner same height and a few lbs lighter than Kane. Saying that he's proven nothing in the NHL less than a year after his draft seems somewhat premature.

Nylander has broken records in PPG in most leagues he's played in.

Matthews
- lumlums

Most leagues r not the NHL.
I'll take a wild stab he doesn't set a PPG record in the bigs.

Yeah but Oilers prospects are better than yours and they finished 29 th .

Until you move out of the bottom 10 , all it is is a bunch of guys pounding chests saying our team is going to be better than yours.

Need proof . You have been at the bottom for a long time and I don't see how a bunch of prospects that have played less than 25 NHL games combined changes my thoughts.
- VANTEL

Leafs have never had prospects this highly regarded..

Yeah but Oilers prospects are better than yours and they finished 29 th .

Until you move out of the bottom 10 , all it is is a bunch of guys pounding chests saying our team is going to be better than yours.

Need proof . You have been at the bottom for a long time and I don't see how a bunch of prospects that have played less than 25 NHL games combined changes my thoughts.
- VANTEL

Of course. But what you want to get is a bunch of supremely talented prospects who can grow together to be the vets. It takes time but has worked well for Chicago...

There's some good players in place, but definitely not enough to call a true "core" yet. At this point in time, Benning can't afford to be giving out picks like candy...
- lumlums

They were going to draft a D with that 2nd. They traded for a young one instead. The pick is 50% gamble that it becomes a NHLer. EG is already a top 4 NHLer and a RD. We really need a young RD who is ready to play.

You call it giving out picks. Thats pretty narrow minded.

While Small Marner is the best player in Junior hockey and one of the best prospects in the world.. not worried about him. Nylander should be an alright 2nd line center.
- ClarksonDavid

Trade him for 2OA

Marner same height and a few lbs lighter than Kane. Saying that he's proven nothing in the NHL less than a year after his draft seems somewhat premature.

Nylander has broken records in PPG in most leagues he's played in.

Matthews
- lumlums

But saying he is going to be a star when he hasn't played a NHL game isn't premature?

Of course. But what you want to get is a bunch of supremely talented prospects who can grow together to be the vets. It takes time but has worked well for Chicago...
- lumlums

Hawks had vets for the kids to learn from & be mentored.
Learning to be a pro is always a hurdle prospects need to learn.

Who are the other ones three years down the road? Horvat is the one and only center under the age of 25. Who's gonna play center if you don't develop your own talent for the future, that's my issue.

Henrik is 36 years old and Sutter sucks as a top six NHL center.
- LeftCoaster

Seems like a premature question with the draft a few weeks away.

Yes but likely only to a certain extent. Many have said the same thing about Sbisa when he was acquired, even though the player is relatively young, generally you have a pretty good idea of what a player will be by the time they play 300 games.

McCann is a lot harder to predict based off of 69 games and 4 year younger.

Johansen, Fisher, Turris among others all had very similar(points wise) 19 year old seasons. IMO he needs some time in the AHL but that doesn't mean he can't become a good top 6 C in this league.
- belcherbd

In defense, 24 leaves plenty of upside.

Of course. But what you want to get is a bunch of supremely talented prospects who can grow together to be the vets. It takes time but has worked well for Chicago...
- lumlums

But you don't have Keith Hossa Seabrook Toews Kane

You have Marner Mathews and cutie pie. You might be getting a little ahead of yourself and setting expectations a little high

Most leagues r not the NHL.
I'll take a wild stab he doesn't set a PPG record in the bigs.
- Nighthawk

Over a career or over a season?

PPG now is also the new elite, not many players beat that. Hell, only 6 guys were PPG or better this year...

But you don't have Keith Hossa Seabrook Toews Kane

You have Marner Mathews and cutie pie. You might be getting a little ahead of yourself and setting expectations a little high
- VANTEL

we have Reilly.

Probably one more bottom 10 finish needed ... or Stamkos.