Why so personal? Hug for you Codes1087. It's a bad trade, and the list of other bad trades by Benning just posted really underscores it. I was there many times in the last decade or so...rationalizing bad decisions because I wanted to believe in my team. Once your favourite org turns the corner and installs a competent front office - like (gasp) the Leafs finally did - you'll be way less grouchy. And that statement passes both the eye and analytics test.
- Deeps27

Bad trades? How so?
I don't see any players gone starring anywhere on their own.

An AHLer & 2 draft picks hardly earth shattering.
After top 15 the draft is weak.
RHD don't get moved very often.
- Nighthawk

We could have paid our first rounder and 33 OA for Griffin Reinhart.....

Couldn't we just get draft picks from you?
- walshyleafsfan

No need for you to worry...you'll have another 50 years to acquire picks.

15 points in 17 playoff games this year but, yeah, who wants that guy, right?
- BINGO!

it was only a matter of time before we saw you Bingo.

We could have paid our first rounder and 33 OA for Griffin Reinhart.....
- Codes1087

Not as desparate as the Oil 😜

Bad trades? How so?
I don't see any players gone starring anywhere on their own.
- Nighthawk

We traded a player bound for the AHL for a young top 4 Dman

You seem to know a lot about me, yet this is one of the first times I have seen you poking your head and adding your 2 cents in our blogs
If I hand write a letter to Benning with suggestions on being a GOOD GM, do you think you could sign and mail it for me?
- Codes1087

"Our" blogs.
Absolutely - I'll even sign a letter to get you out of your last period class tomorrow if that will help too.

15 points in 17 playoff games this year but, yeah, who wants that guy, right?
- BINGO!

he was a bust here...what can you do?

Great blog, Carol! Been following for a while but I finally just got around to signing up for Hockeybuzz. Figured now would be as good a time as any to offer my idle thoughts.

After the initial shock wore off, I think this deal makes sense. We badly needed someone new on the blue line right away, and this removes the pressure to use the 5th overall pick to draft a defenceman who won't help us for 2 or 3 years anyway. I was also getting a little worried that we were accumulating too many young skilled forwards (just look at the Oilers), and Benning knew this. And with McCann gone, this will let guys like Vey and Granlund play their natural position more. I agree though that the price was steep. If this were a straight-up player-for-player trade I'd be happy, but those picks hurt.

But that's just the humble opinion of a newbie. Feel free to rip on me.

Looking forward to being part of the Hockeybuzz community!

We traded a player bound for the AHL for a young top 4 Dman
- CanuckDon

I admire the worst case scenario, best case scenario thing you are doing here.

Bad trades? How so?
I don't see any players gone starring anywhere on their own.
- Nighthawk

Nick Bonino
Jared McCann
Hunter Shinkaruk
Adam Clendenning
Nick Jensen
Zack Kassian
2nd rd Pick
2nd rd Pick
4th rd Pick
5th rd Pick
6th rd Pick

for

Brandon Sutter
Markus Granlund
Erik Gudbranson
Emerson Etem
Philip Larsen
Brandon Prust
3rd rd Pick
5th rd Pick

Even if you just compare asset management in terms of draft picks in, draft picks out Benning loses.

I admire the worst case scenario, best case scenario thing you are doing here.
- stormey

Obviously my post is ignoring his future potential but we are certainly a better team next year. McCann just wasn't ready

Nick Bonino - cant skate
Jared McCann - soft
Hunter Shinkaruk - soft
Adam Clendenning - bust
Nick Jensen - bust
Zack Kassian - bust
2nd rd Pick
2nd rd Pick
4th rd Pick
5th rd Pick
6th rd Pick

for

Brandon Sutter
Markus Granlund
Erik Gudbranson
Emerson Etem
Philip Larsen
Brandon Prust
3rd rd Pick
5th rd Pick

Even if you just compare asset management in terms of draft picks in, draft picks out Benning loses.
- Deeps27

fixed!

Nick Bonino
Jared McCann
Hunter Shinkaruk
Adam Clendenning
Nick Jensen
Zack Kassian
2nd rd Pick
2nd rd Pick
4th rd Pick
5th rd Pick
6th rd Pick

for

Brandon Sutter
Markus Granlund
Erik Gudbranson
Emerson Etem
Philip Larsen
Brandon Prust
3rd rd Pick
5th rd Pick

Even if you just compare asset management in terms of draft picks in, draft picks out Benning loses.
- Deeps27

You couldn't have just quoted mine?

he was a bust here...what can you do?
- LordHumungous

Didn't the guy put up 39 pts in 75 games?

fixed!
- LordHumungous

Let's see your assessment of the ones he brought over...I can't wait for the Prust appraisal.

Nick Bonino
Jared McCann
Hunter Shinkaruk
Adam Clendenning
Nick Jensen
Zack Kassian
2nd rd Pick
2nd rd Pick
4th rd Pick
5th rd Pick
6th rd Pick

for

Brandon Sutter
Markus Granlund
Erik Gudbranson
Emerson Etem
Philip Larsen
Brandon Prust
3rd rd Pick
5th rd Pick

Even if you just compare asset management in terms of draft picks in, draft picks out Benning loses.
- Deeps27

I see 1 NHLer traded
A problem child
An AHLer
Plenty of fodder

Nick Bonino
Jared McCann
Hunter Shinkaruk
Adam Clendenning
Nick Jensen
Zack Kassian
2nd rd Pick
2nd rd Pick
4th rd Pick
5th rd Pick
6th rd Pick

for

Brandon Sutter
Markus Granlund
Erik Gudbranson
Emerson Etem
Philip Larsen
Brandon Prust
3rd rd Pick
5th rd Pick

Even if you just compare asset management in terms of draft picks in, draft picks out Benning loses.
- Deeps27

I love this argument. There is no recognition at all to the fact that Benning acquired a stale roster that pretty much the entire fan base wanted overhauled and that there was a major age gap between the prospects and vets and he needed to bridge that gap by getting some players in thier early to mid 20's.

Wow, you were onboard with the plan 24 hours ago and are now having a meltdown
- CanuckDon

I'm onboard with drafting and developing, I'm not onboard with spending assets to improve your team in one area and making it worse in another.

My vision for this team is three four five years down the road, that's the way I see things….not in the immediate like you're saying.

I see 1 NHLer traded
A problem child
An AHLer
Plenty of fodder
- Nighthawk

plus, the Bieksa, Baertschi, etc trades aren't listed

You couldn't have just quoted mine?



- BINGO!

Haha - I cut and pasted. They are all quick to point out the guys the Canucks traded flaws, but seem to forget about who they got back.

For the record -I'd be very happy to have a guy like Gudbranson on the Leafs 3rd pairing, but not at the price that was paid.

I love this argument. There is no recognition at all to the fact that Benning acquired a stale roster that pretty much the entire fan base wanted overhauled and that there was a major age gap between the prospects and vets and he needed to bridge that gap by getting some players in thier early to mid 20's.
- fiveandagame

I give up. Good luck next couple years boys. Everything is cool with the 'Nucks.

The picks are high ones. But you have to think that 2nd was going to be a d-man, so the 4th is the real loss, and we got a mid 5th rounder back for that. You're right it hurts, but he's 24 which makes us have a pretty young d-corps of tanev, tree, Hutton and EG going forward. EG has lots to learn but hammer will still likely be back and elder will continue to help these young guys grow. The 24-28 age gap is big on this team, we just filled it a little. I expect JB to get a couple wingers in that age range. Love it!

I love this argument. There is no recognition at all to the fact that Benning acquired a stale roster that pretty much the entire fan base wanted overhauled and that there was a major age gap between the prospects and vets and he needed to bridge that gap by getting some players in thier early to mid 20's.
- fiveandagame

Anf yet all the JB critics think any deal traded future HOFers or top 6 players.
Overreaction about nothing much.

Didn't the guy put up 39 pts in 75 games?
- DeflatedPucks

4th on the team in points, tied for 155th in the league in points with Nazem Kadri, Erik Cole, Elias Lindholm, Aaron Ekblad....