I've been pretty critical of how they "developed" JM and JV last season but McCann no doubt won a spot out of camp over Vey, Jones, Cracknell and Friesen who were his competition.
- belcherbd

He did win that spot. But it was clear after the first few months he needed to spend a year in Utica. With injuries with this team year after year after year McCann ended up staying up. On Virtanen I was chatting with more than a few scouts here at Memorial Cup about him and they all pretty much feel he needs a year or two in the AHL. JV has the body and build right now...just not the brains to match. Yet.

Hudler is older and UFA. Hansen is younger, has term and very affordable. He is worth more than Hudler. Hansens value is likely in between Hudler and Ladd. So a 1st or a 2nd+3rd would be about right.
- Retinalz

I'm not saying those players a exact comparables of each other but I think it is a stretch to say Hansen is a better player than Hudler even if you take into account the age difference and Hansen will be a UFA after this season as well.

McGinn, Purcell and Versteeg IMO are the closest comparables off that list.

Naw. Bonino was 61% in FOs. The Pens were killing TB in the circle.

Bonino just put the Pens in a position of strength.
- bloatedmosquito

Then it was a smart move. He should have gotten Pierre McGuire's monster of the game instead of Rust.

So a guy that scores 20 goals isn't a 20 goal scorer because he did it with the Sedins... This is some pretty good logic.

Did you know that Hansen was 4th in the league in even strength goals per 60 mins?
- Scooby_Doo

- RealityChecker

So a guy that scores 20 goals isn't a 20 goal scorer because he did it with the Sedins... This is some pretty good logic.

Did you know that Hansen was 4th in the league in even strength goals per 60 mins?
- Scooby_Doo

I really am not a Hansen fan, but I will give him the credit he deserves. He had one hell of a year, playing with the Sedin's helped his confidence and probably gave him a few goals that he might not have scored, but he also produced a lot on his own. I can think of a few where he used his speed down the wing and scoring on a slapshot, thats all him. I hope he gets a first, but I suspect that would be his pricepoint at the deadline if he can replicate last year. That being said, I dont think he can do it again and I would pull the trigger now if I saw a deal close to it

We rarely agree but you seem to be able to value our assets at least

I think the massive homerism in Van contributed to fans always being disappointed
- CanuckDon

I think massive disappointments in Van contributes to fans always being disappointed, there are no more or less homers here than anywhere else, just many more fans.

- fiveandagame

and benning is just an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.

and benning is just an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.
- RealityChecker

I'm not saying those players a exact comparables of each other but I think it is a stretch to say Hansen is a better player than Hudler even if you take into account the age difference and Hansen will be a UFA after this season as well.

McGinn, Purcell and Versteeg IMO are the closest comparables off that list.
- belcherbd

I didn't say better, i said worth more. Hudler doesn't kill penalties, doesn't back check, is older, costs more, declining. Hansen is in his prime, does all the little things right, plays every shift. If Hansen was a regular on the PP, I would bet he could've done 30 goals last season. You need to remember that Hudler gets a lot of points on PP(which is important) but Hansen gets 99% of his on 5v5. Hansen is better than McGinn, Purcell, and Vertseeg. They aren't even int he same ballpark.

For everyone that wanted a complete teardown rebuild, SJ was able to do a rebuild on the fly and it seems to working out for them. It's not easy, but is possible.

We have tried the Detroit model, the Boston model, the Chicgao model. Now it's time for the SJ model .
- fiveandagame

This makes no sense.

If thorton and marleau are the sedins. Were is our burns, vlasic, pavelski and couture, we dont have them. Not even close. This team wont make the playoffs next year and wont for a long time. They needed the complete tear down.

This makes no sense.

If thorton and marleau are the sedins. Were is our burns, vlasic, pavelski and couture, we dont have them. Not even close. This team wont make the playoffs next year and wont for a long time. They needed the complete tear down.
- mauryballstein

But we have a Subban, his feelings will get us there.

- RealityChecker

Booner?

This makes no sense.

If thorton and marleau are the sedins. Were is our burns, vlasic, pavelski and couture, we dont have them. Not even close. This team wont make the playoffs next year and wont for a long time. They needed the complete tear down.
- mauryballstein

Sorry, next time I'll use 2 or 3

Classic case of Canucks fans overrating our players. He isn't a 20 goal scorer, he scored 20 once playing with the Sedins.
- CanuckDon

Because I call him underrated means I am overrating him? Huh? I just feel his skill set is underrated. I doubt he gets a 1st still. 2nd imo.

This makes no sense.

If thorton and marleau are the sedins. Were is our burns, vlasic, pavelski and couture, we dont have them. Not even close. This team wont make the playoffs next year and wont for a long time. They needed the complete tear down.
- mauryballstein

We had them in Kesler Ehrhoff Torres Lapierre Burrows Higgins malholtra hamhuis and so forth when they were all good and contributing back in 2011. Gillis just did a piss poor job of getting the ball rolling to replace them all and now it defaults to JB. SJ did an excellent job of replacing talent on the fly...with a bit of luck too as it takes all teams.

And respectfully I think we will compete for a PO spot next year if this club is HEALTHY...which it never is we usually have 8 starters out by Feb of each year now. But IF healthy...with Hank Sutter Bo down the middle and Guddy pounding heads with another tough Dman...we'll make it. Plus Eriksson and Lucic will be here don't forget...

This makes no sense.

If thorton and marleau are the sedins. Were is our burns, vlasic, pavelski and couture, we dont have them. Not even close. This team wont make the playoffs next year and wont for a long time. They needed the complete tear down.
- mauryballstein

Burns was traded for former 8th overall Setoguchi, 28th overall Coyle and a first round pick in 2011 after a career high 46 points at age 26. San Jose has drafted well, but they sped things up too and paid a high price from a position of strength to acquire a guy that really didnt come into his own until the last two/three years. (I am not saying this is Gudbranson BTW, but Canucks could spare a forward prospect to acquire a needed D like SJ did)

Pavelski was lucky out of the 7th round, and Couture/Vlasic were good selections. Comparisons could be made if you want to say the next core players include Horvat, Virtanen, Hutton/Tryamkin/Gudbranson, Boeser. Its not exactly the same but its also not as big of a stretch as you suggest

Because I call him underrated means I am overrating him? Huh? I just feel his skill set is underrated. I doubt he gets a 1st still. 2nd imo.
- WhatTheNuck

Sorry, I was making more of a general comment than replying only to you. I agree, Hansen can fetch a second no more. gM's typically look at a larger sample size than one season

Burns was traded for former 8th overall Setoguchi, 28th overall Coyle and a first round pick in 2011 after a career high 46 points at age 26. San Jose has drafted well, but they sped things up too and paid a high price from a position of strength to acquire a guy that really didnt come into his own until the last two/three years. (I am not saying this is Gudbranson BTW, but Canucks could spare a forward prospect to acquire a needed D like SJ did)

Pavelski was lucky out of the 7th round, and Couture/Vlasic were good selections. Comparisons could be made if you want to say the next core players include Horvat, Virtanen, Hutton/Tryamkin/Gudbranson, Boeser. Its not exactly the same but its also not as big of a stretch as you suggest
- WhiteLie

This is a really good idea of the direction the team is heading imo. Rebuilding comes in many forms and there are many people willing to tell you one is better than the other.

Sorry, I was making more of a general comment than replying only to you. I agree, Hansen can fetch a second no more. gM's typically look at a larger sample size than one season
- CanuckDon

Hansen has progressed every season he has played and that is not a small sample size.

Sorry, I was making more of a general comment than replying only to you. I agree, Hansen can fetch a second no more. gM's typically look at a larger sample size than one season
- CanuckDon

Agreed and I think the one thing that stands out for Hansen from a value perspective is just how hard he works. Consistently puts heart into his game.

Hansen has progressed every season he has played and that is not a small sample size.
- thundachunk

Turn the tables, how would you feel if Benning paid a first round pick for a good 3rd line player? We used a late first on Boeser

The comment was in regards to scooby calling Hansen a 20 goal scorer

Turn the tables, how would you feel if Benning paid a first round pick for a good 3rd line player? We used a late first on Boeser
- CanuckDon

Didn't we just pay a 1st and 2nd for a good 3rd pairing D

and benning is just an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.
- RealityChecker

Turn the tables, how would you feel if Benning paid a first round pick for a good 3rd line player? We used a late first on Boeser

The comment was in regards to scooby calling Hansen a 20 goal scorer
- CanuckDon

I know. I am just adding fuel to the fire.