Oh, i'm pretty sure they would have gone higher in 2003 if they were easily visible then.

If you read, I was advocating for a possible trade with AZ for the 7th and 20th. Then I also advocated trading that 7th for the 14th and and 29th/30th. Of course, those aren't stand alone deals.

You keep talking about Dubois and or Tkachuk about being one in the hand, yet neither has played a game in the NHL. So tell us, which one is going to be better ?

Stop acting like the draft is an exact science, if it was we would have won a cup by now.
- golfingsince

Both of them have been scouted extensively, we own the 5OA pick, most people in the know rate both 4-5(depending on the draft list/scout). They're in that spot for a reason, I don't know who will be better overall, but I do know their ceilings are much higher than any in the 10-25 range which is where you'd like us to get our two picks (however the hypothetical deals work out to get us those picks). They're also more certain to reach close to what their projected ceilings are than hitting their floors. We should be picking 3OA, we dropped, now use that pick and get the BPA in that spot which is either Tkachuk or Dubois, whichever isn't picked by the Oilers or whoever trades for that pick because if the Oilers aren't shopping that pick, they're stupider than hell.

I see them both as a good aquire.
- VANTEL

We'll see. As I said originally, don't care much about the 2nd but losing McCann hurts. If Gudbranson can round out his game then it will be a good trade.

Easily.

That, as Darius puts it is one in the hand.
- golfingsince

If the 5OA gets us Drouin than definitely I'd be happy with that deal.

Wasn't thrilled about starting the race under safety car but they pretty much had too on a circuit like Monaco.

Also, thought that Riccardo had a bit of Nucker-like temper tantrum about the blown pit stop.

Lastly, it looks like Justin Bieber's life doesn't suck too bad.
- PetrolSexual

Yeah Riccardo's face was funny. Bieber getting champagne before the team was hilarious.

We'll see. As I said originally, don't care much about the 2nd but losing McCann hurts. If Gudbranson can round out his game then it will be a good trade.
- golfingsince

He crushes , he punches and protects , he clears in front of the net. Expecting much more I think you will be disappointed.

He crushes , he punches and protects , he clears in front of the net. Expecting much more I think you will be disappointed.
- VANTEL

Benny knew what he was getting when he made that trade. I still like it a lot.

Totally off topic but there was a debate last draft when Boston dealt Jones to Sanjose for a 1st and quite a few on here said that Lack was worth the same or some crazy enough to say more. When he went for a 2nd only a few of us on here recognized that Lack was worth that or less and said he was just a back up. JB looked like he did pretty well on that one to me. How are people feeling about who was worth what now that Jones led his team to a cup final?
- thundachunk

Oh the Bit$hing and whining. Good times!

Benny knew what he was getting when he made that trade. I still like it a lot.
- thundachunk

Exactly

Both of them have been scouted extensively, we own the 5OA pick, most people in the know rate both 4-5(depending on the draft list/scout). They're in that spot for a reason, I don't know who will be better overall, but I do know their ceilings are much higher than any in the 10-25 range which is where you'd like us to get our two picks (however the hypothetical deals work out to get us those picks). They're also more certain to reach close to what their projected ceilings are than hitting their floors. We should be picking 3OA, we dropped, now use that pick and get the BPA in that spot which is either Tkachuk or Dubois, whichever isn't picked by the Oilers or whoever trades for that pick because if the Oilers aren't shopping that pick, they're stupider than hell.
- DariusKnight

Actually, it's 3 picks starting at 14 but that's OK.

From 2003 on (Seeing as how that's Getzlaf and Perry)

#5 Vanek ( a bunch of guys)
#5 Wheeler ( bad draft)
#5 Price ( Kopitar 11)
#5 Kessel (Giroux 22)
#5 Alzner (Voracek 7, Couture 9)
#5 Schenn (Eriksson15, Eberle 22)
#5 Schenn (OEL 6)
#5 Nino (Skinner7, Tarasenko 16, Kuznetsov 26)
#5 Strome ( Scheifele 7, Hamilton 9, Couturier 8)


Just a sample. Scouting was pretty available then too. The guys in brackets are all all-stars, except the last year where I just put guys that are comparable.

He crushes , he punches and protects , he clears in front of the net. Expecting much more I think you will be disappointed.
- VANTEL

He has a good shot so i'd like him to use it. If that's all he's going to do and he continues to turn over the puck then indeed I will be disappointed.

If the 5OA gets us Drouin than definitely I'd be happy with that deal.
- DariusKnight

I know I'm in the minority but I wouldn't. I want the size in our top 6 that Dubois and Tkachuk bring.

He has a good shot so i'd like him to use it. If that's all he's going to do and he continues to turn over the puck then indeed I will be disappointed.
- golfingsince

He does , but he only scored three goals last year so I didn't want to go down that avenue.

He has a good shot so i'd like him to use it. If that's all he's going to do and he continues to turn over the puck then indeed I will be disappointed.
- golfingsince

I'll be (frank)in pissed if all he is, is what Vantel says, paying that price for what he's describing as Luke Schenn is asinine.

If Gudbranson can win puck battles in the corners, if he can make a good quick first pass, if he can block/suppress shots, if he can transition the puck to the forwards effectively, along with what Vantel describes....then and only then will the price be worth it.

Actually, it's 3 picks starting at 14 but that's OK.

From 2003 on (Seeing as how that's Getzlaf and Perry)

#5 Vanek ( a bunch of guys)
#5 Wheeler ( bad draft)
#5 Price ( Kopitar 11)
#5 Kessel (Giroux 22)
#5 Alzner (Voracek 7, Couture 9)
#5 Schenn (Eriksson15, Eberle 22)
#5 Schenn (OEL 6)
#5 Nino (Skinner7, Tarasenko 16, Kuznetsov 26)
#5 Strome ( Scheifele 7, Hamilton 9, Couturier 8)


Just a sample. Scouting was pretty available then too. The guys in brackets are all all-stars, except the last year where I just put guys that are comparable.
- golfingsince

Good digging.

He does , but he only scored three goals last year so I didn't want to go down that avenue.
- VANTEL

SMBDragon will coach him into putting himself into better positions offensively. Have no fears.

I'll be (frank)in pissed if all he is, is what Vantel says, paying that price for what he's describing as Luke Schenn is asinine.

If Gudbranson can win puck battles in the corners, if he can make a good quick first pass, if he can block/suppress shots, if he can transition the puck to the forwards effectively, along with what Vantel describes....then and only then will the price be worth it.
- LeftCoaster

Agreed 100%

Good digging.
- thundachunk

Thanks, just a sample. There's actually more all-stars there but I just went for the 1st one or two.

I'd like to trade Nino for that haul.

Thanks, just a sample. There's actually more all-stars there but I just went for the 1st one or two.

I'd like to trade Nino for that haul.
- golfingsince

Jaden Schwartz at #14 was pretty sweet in 2010 too!

Do you guys remember when Nucker was very, very vocal about us trading up for Reinhart ?I'm pretty sure he wanted us to trade up to #1OA.

I'm also pretty sure Thunda was saying Draisaitl would be better, I was saying Bennett would be better, DCT was saying Ehlers would be better. I wanted Nylander at our draft position.

Anyways, the point is that there are very few can't miss prospects in any given draft. It's not like he have the 1st or 2nd pick. We have the 5th, and a GM who's strength is apparently drafting. I'd rather him have more than 1 first rounder.

By the way, All-Star Dylan Larkin went 15th.

I'll be (frank)in pissed if all he is, is what Vantel says, paying that price for what he's describing as Luke Schenn is asinine.

If Gudbranson can win puck battles in the corners, if he can make a good quick first pass, if he can block/suppress shots, if he can transition the puck to the forwards effectively, along with what Vantel describes....then and only then will the price be worth it.
- LeftCoaster

I think he can up his game. He's still only 24. He will need some time to adjust but I have faith he is exactly what the D needed.

Actually, it's 3 picks starting at 14 but that's OK.

From 2003 on (Seeing as how that's Getzlaf and Perry)

#5 Vanek ( a bunch of guys)
#5 Wheeler ( bad draft)
#5 Price ( Kopitar 11)
#5 Kessel (Giroux 22)
#5 Alzner (Voracek 7, Couture 9)
#5 Schenn (Eriksson15, Eberle 22)
#5 Schenn (OEL 6)
#5 Nino (Skinner7, Tarasenko 16, Kuznetsov 26)
#5 Strome ( Scheifele 7, Hamilton 9, Couturier 8)

Just a sample. Scouting was pretty available then too. The guys in brackets are all all-stars, except the last year where I just put guys that are comparable.
- golfingsince

Sure, and I can list plenty of players around there in those drafts who were either a) busts or b) never played a significant role in the NHL. The point is, we aren't picking in the bottom half of the draft and we can't take chances on boom or bust picks in the first round at this point while we can barely field a competitive AHL team. We need that sure thing.

I would accept trading down ONLY if it's a deal where we trade the 5OA + a Hansen, Burrows, Higgins or something along those lines to get say Kuznetsov or someone like that who can be our blue-chip 1C which we sorely lack.

Sure, and I can list plenty of players around there in those drafts who were either a) busts or b) never played a significant role in the NHL. The point is, we aren't picking in the bottom half of the draft and we can't take chances on boom or bust picks in the first round at this point while we can barely field a competitive AHL team. We need that sure thing.

I would accept trading down ONLY if it's a deal where we trade the 5OA + a Hansen, Burrows, Higgins or something along those lines to get say Kuznetsov or someone like that who can be our blue-chip 1C which we sorely lack.
- DariusKnight

We have a GM who's pedigree is supposedly in drafting. If we can land additional first round picks for our 5OA i'd trade down in a heartbeat.

The AHL team you mention is the exact reason. We'll also need 2nd line, 2nd pairing guys down the road which we are void of. We will have plenty of opportunity to get top line/pairing talent as we continue to suck.

SMBDragon will coach him into putting himself into better positions offensively. Have no fears.
- golfingsince

dont drag me into your conversation....

....one day you may realize how coaching at the nhl level actually work on teams that are good. Clearly you dont currently

Benny knew what he was getting when he made that trade. I still like it a lot.
- thundachunk

plus theres a reason he was a minute eater in the playoffs....think he was top of the team for minutes....or real close

dont drag me into your conversation....

....one day you may realize how coaching at the nhl level actually work on teams that are good. Clearly you dont currently
- SMBDragon

Clearly. I don't have a coaching background or anything.