I generally don't buy into the "clutch" stereotype but to judge Bonino's "clutchness" based upon only his NHL playoff career isn't fair either.

As Carol showed he came up big for the americans in the Bronze medal game and I do recall that he played a large role in the NCAA championship game as well, scoring the tieing goal with a few seconds to go in regulation and assisting on the game winner as well I think.
- belcherbd

He always seemed clutch playing against us......OK that isn't saying much.

I agree that it is two seperate trades and should be viewed that way. Clendening and Bonino being dealt is more an indication that Benning isn't as great as a pro scout as he is a junior scout.

I was happy with the Sutter trade from day one, and still prefer Sutter over Bonino for what our team needs but that contract is bad.
- belcherbd

I don't buy the argument that he is a great prospect scout but not a pro scout. If he can analyze/ project talent it shouldn't be limited to kids. He is after all the one that wanted Bonino in the first place. I think he just realized he was a bad fit for the Canucks and correctly identified Sutter as a better long term add. He does put himself at a disadvantage when he acquires players that need to be resigned, hence some bad contracts. Sutter was holding all the cards in negotiations as Benning would look like an idiot if he walked

So, pretty sure Van would be in the finals playing against San Jose right now if they did not trade Bonino. It's like you guys know nothing about hockey!

Sometimes, people just know more about things.........
- golfingsince

It must be difficult going through life knowing so little about coaching and threesomes

Happy for Bones. No sellers regret. Just a better situation for him.

I want the Sharks to win. They have always felt like Vancouver's California twin - never closing the deal.

Of course what goes along with that is they are doomed to lose the SCF in 7 games.

It must be difficult going through life knowing so little about coaching and threesomes
- CanuckDon

I need a threesome coach.

So, pretty sure Van would be in the finals playing against San Jose right now if they did not trade Bonino. It's like you guys know nothing about hockey!
- DuranDuran

Who are you are referring to?

Who are you are referring to?
- Codes1087

Bingo and Walshy

I don't buy the argument that he is a great prospect scout but not a pro scout. If he can analyze/ project talent it shouldn't be limited to kids. He is after all the one that wanted Bonino in the first place. I think he just realized he was a bad fit for the Canucks and correctly identified Sutter as a better long term add. He does put himself at a disadvantage when he acquires players that need to be resigned, hence some bad contracts. Sutter was holding all the cards in negotiations as Benning would look like an idiot if he walked
- CanuckDon

He didn't need to sign Sutter until this season, had he of waited he might of had some more negotiating power or at the very least been more sure that Sutter actually was worth committing to.

I was judging him on his pro scouting of Bonino because he thought Bonino would be a top 6 C and part of our core moving forward not because he was moved for Sutter and now has success.

The NHL players he has brought in for the most part have not lived up to the contracts and roles he signed/brought them in for.

Sbisa, Bartkowski, Clendening, Bonino, Miller, Granlund (so far), Weber, Dorsett, Prust all didn't live up to his expectations IMO.

Sutter is still yet to be determined but IMO to earn that contract he needs to be a better player than he has so far in his career, Vrbata had an excellent season and a bad season but I think it was a really good signing and pretty hard to complain about.
Cracknell worked out well.

In comparison Tryamkin, Zhukenov, McCann, Neil, Olsen, Boeser, Gaudette, Demko, Forsling and Jasek IMO have so far looked very impressive considering where they were drafted.

That's why I feel like he has been a better junior scout than pro.

Happy for Bones. No sellers regret. Just a better situation for him.

I want the Sharks to win. They have always felt like Vancouver's California twin - never closing the deal.

Of course what goes along with that is they are doomed to lose the SCF in 7 games.
- whales

Could not agree more with the bold above.

I don't buy the argument that he is a great prospect scout but not a pro scout. If he can analyze/ project talent it shouldn't be limited to kids. He is after all the one that wanted Bonino in the first place. I think he just realized he was a bad fit for the Canucks and correctly identified Sutter as a better long term add. He does put himself at a disadvantage when he acquires players that need to be resigned, hence some bad contracts. Sutter was holding all the cards in negotiations as Benning would look like an idiot if he walked
- CanuckDon

He didn't need to sign Sutter until this season, had he of waited he might of had some more negotiating power or at the very least been more sure that Sutter actually was worth committing to.

I was judging him on his pro scouting of Bonino because he thought Bonino would be a top 6 C and part of our core moving forward not because he was moved for Sutter and now has success.

The NHL players he has brought in for the most part have not lived up to the contracts and roles he signed/brought them in for.

Sbisa, Bartkowski, Clendening, Bonino, Miller, Granlund (so far), Weber, Dorsett, Prust all didn't live up to his expectations IMO.

Sutter is still yet to be determined but IMO to earn that contract he needs to be a better player than he has so far in his career, Vrbata had an excellent season and a bad season but I think it was a really good signing and pretty hard to complain about.
Cracknell worked out well.

In comparison Tryamkin, Zhukenov, McCann, Neil, Olsen, Boeser, Gaudette, Demko, Forsling and Jasek IMO have so far looked very impressive considering where they were drafted.

That's why I feel like he has been a better junior scout than pro.
- belcherbd

Sutter would have been a UFA...sure, he could have waited a few months to sign him I suppose. i think you are making assumptions regarding what roles Benning brought players in for and what his expectations are/ were. Bart, Weber were one year depth moves so they don't warrant discussion. Miller and Sbisa have served their purpose in my opinion. prust...was doing fine until a serious ankle injury so I think he gets a pass there. I certainly agree on Clendenning. How has Dorset not lived up to Bennings expectations?

Bonino get's lots of 2nd and 3rd dman pairings to go up against night after night. And playing with guys who can really move helps quite a bit too.
- Itsjustarash

Quality of Competition doesn't matter.
Love,
James Tanner

He didn't need to sign Sutter until this season, had he of waited he might of had some more negotiating power or at the very least been more sure that Sutter actually was worth committing to.

I was judging him on his pro scouting of Bonino because he thought Bonino would be a top 6 C and part of our core moving forward not because he was moved for Sutter and now has success.

The NHL players he has brought in for the most part have not lived up to the contracts and roles he signed/brought them in for.

Sbisa, Bartkowski, Clendening, Bonino, Miller, Granlund (so far), Weber, Dorsett, Prust all didn't live up to his expectations IMO.

Sutter is still yet to be determined but IMO to earn that contract he needs to be a better player than he has so far in his career, Vrbata had an excellent season and a bad season but I think it was a really good signing and pretty hard to complain about.
Cracknell worked out well.

In comparison Tryamkin, Zhukenov, McCann, Neil, Olsen, Boeser, Gaudette, Demko, Forsling and Jasek IMO have so far looked very impressive considering where they were drafted.

That's why I feel like he has been a better junior scout than pro.
- belcherbd

I like his drafting but I think ownershipis getting involved and demanding the playoffs now instead of the rebuild which is leading to these bad trades.

I need a threesome coach.
- golfingsince

Find the holes and avoid incidental contact

Who are you are referring to?
- Codes1087

This thread has been inundated with some pretty poor trolls as of late. Just making a bad joke.

Quality of Competition doesn't matter.
Love,
James Tanner
- Aetherial

Why do I always score more when I play division 3 versus division 2?

Quality of Competition doesn't matter.
Love,
James Tanner
- Aetherial

according to JT, QoC is offset by playing with better/worse guys

He didn't need to sign Sutter until this season, had he of waited he might of had some more negotiating power or at the very least been more sure that Sutter actually was worth committing to.

I was judging him on his pro scouting of Bonino because he thought Bonino would be a top 6 C and part of our core moving forward not because he was moved for Sutter and now has success.

The NHL players he has brought in for the most part have not lived up to the contracts and roles he signed/brought them in for.

Sbisa, Bartkowski, Clendening, Bonino, Miller, Granlund (so far), Weber, Dorsett, Prust all didn't live up to his expectations IMO.

Sutter is still yet to be determined but IMO to earn that contract he needs to be a better player than he has so far in his career, Vrbata had an excellent season and a bad season but I think it was a really good signing and pretty hard to complain about.
Cracknell worked out well.

In comparison Tryamkin, Zhukenov, McCann, Neil, Olsen, Boeser, Gaudette, Demko, Forsling and Jasek IMO have so far looked very impressive considering where they were drafted.

That's why I feel like he has been a better junior scout than pro.
- belcherbd

I dont think this all has anything to do with him being a good scout. The contract situation with Sutter doesnt mean he got a bad player, he just overpaid.

As for the rest of the guys he acquired, I see it as the best of whats available for what Vancouver could afford. If they were highly touted or blue chips, the cost likely would be one that Vancouver couldnt afford at this time. If Vancouver was willing to move 1st round picks this entire time, I think he could have brought in a Drouin or a Theodore. I think he saw a few opportunities of expendable players in other franchises who succeeded at the AHL level, and hoped it would translate. I cant blame him for giving Vey, Sven, Clendenning, etc. a chance to prove themselves in a better opportunity considering how they had played in the AHL.

Im not saying hes a super scout for Jr or Pro, but I think he was trying to steal a few guys that franchises no longer seemed high on to replenish the team's empty cupboard

according to JT, QoC is offset by playing with better/worse guys
- DeflatedPucks

He also is happy when Sunshine is on his Shoulders.....hope he uses sun block!

Keep in mind that Bonino isn't a top 6 center and when put in that role, couldn't produce. The trade is fine, it's stupid to judge when Sutter was out for 3/4 of the season and Bonino is on a team that's stacked with talent, enough so that even on the 3rd line, he gets to play with Kessel who admittedly is one of the best pure goal scorers in the game and Hagelin who has speed to burn and is really good at retrieving the puck in the offensive zone. Who in Vancouver would be able to approach that level of skill on his wing? Virtanen? Hansen? Baertschi? Vrbata sure couldn't.
- DariusKnight

People act like Sutter was injured this year so we have no idea what he's like as an NHL player, I don't get that? The guy played 495 games before he got to Vancouver. In his time with Pittsburgh Malkin missed almost 60 games out of a possible 216 (three seasons), plus Malkin played wing a lot with Crosby. Sutter still failed to produce or create much offense when filling that second line center role for them...he's not a top six center.

I dont think this all has anything to do with him being a good scout. The contract situation with Sutter doesnt mean he got a bad player, he just overpaid.

As for the rest of the guys he acquired, I see it as the best of whats available for what Vancouver could afford. If they were highly touted or blue chips, the cost likely would be one that Vancouver couldnt afford at this time. If Vancouver was willing to move 1st round picks this entire time, I think he could have brought in a Drouin or a Theodore. I think he saw a few opportunities of expendable players in other franchises who succeeded at the AHL level, and hoped it would translate. I cant blame him for giving Vey, Sven, Clendenning, etc. a chance to prove themselves in a better opportunity.

Im not saying hes a super scout for Jr or Pro, but I think he was trying to steal a few guys that franchises no longer seemed high on to replenish the team's empty cupboard
- WhiteLie

Well said and one out of 3 isn't bad. Sven has worked out great.

Bingo and Walshy
- CanuckDon

This thread goes totally off the rails when Tanner is brought up.

I dont think this all has anything to do with him being a good scout. The contract situation with Sutter doesnt mean he got a bad player, he just overpaid.

As for the rest of the guys he acquired, I see it as the best of whats available for what Vancouver could afford. If they were highly touted or blue chips, the cost likely would be one that Vancouver couldnt afford at this time. If Vancouver was willing to move 1st round picks this entire time, I think he could have brought in a Drouin or a Theodore. I think he saw a few opportunities of expendable players in other franchises who succeeded at the AHL level, and hoped it would translate. I cant blame him for giving Vey, Sven, Clendenning, etc. a chance to prove themselves in a better opportunity considering how they had played in the AHL.

Im not saying hes a super scout for Jr or Pro, but I think he was trying to steal a few guys that franchises no longer seemed high on to replenish the team's empty cupboard
- WhiteLie

Very well said