Sutter would have been a UFA...sure, he could have waited a few months to sign him I suppose. i think you are making assumptions regarding what roles Benning brought players in for and what his expectations are/ were. Bart, Weber were one year depth moves so they don't warrant discussion. Miller and Sbisa have served their purpose in my opinion. prust...was doing fine until a serious ankle injury so I think he gets a pass there. I certainly agree on Clendenning. How has Dorset not lived up to Bennings expectations?
- CanuckDon

Sutter would of been a UFA this season, his new contract doesn't kick in until next season, he was extended soon after the deal last season.

I am making assumptions based off of comments that Benning has made and the amount of money he has paid those players. I don't think those players I mentioned have lived up to their contracts but perhaps Benning does.

I don't see how paying Dorsett 2.65 a year to be punched in face is living up to expectations but I don't know. I like Dorsett as a good 4th liner who can actually play hockey but he is overpaid. Miller, had a better year this season but still paid a premium for a at best average starter. Sbisa he described as a top 4 D man, he has improved but I don't think many believe he will become one. Bart was expensive depth but I will agree Weber was actually a good signing considering how he did the year previous, but he did lose his top 4 spot and ended up being waived.

People act like Sutter was injured this year so we have no idea what he's like as an NHL player, I don't get that? The guy played 495 games before he got to Vancouver. In his time with Pittsburgh Malkin missed almost 60 games out of a possible 216 (three seasons), plus Malkin played wing a lot with Crosby.Sutter still failed to produce or create much offense when filling that second line center role for them...he's not a top six center.
- LeftCoaster

You used to like the Sutter trade. Has hindsight changed things for you?

People act like Sutter was injured this year so we have no idea what he's like as an NHL player, I don't get that? The guy played 495 games before he got to Vancouver. In his time with Pittsburgh Malkin missed almost 60 games out of a possible 216 (three seasons), plus Malkin played wing a lot with Crosby.Sutter still failed to produce or create much offense when filling that second line center role for them...he's not a top six center.
- LeftCoaster

You can also thank Goc and Comeau for that too.

I dont think this all has anything to do with him being a good scout. The contract situation with Sutter doesnt mean he got a bad player, he just overpaid.

As for the rest of the guys he acquired, I see it as the best of whats available for what Vancouver could afford. If they were highly touted or blue chips, the cost likely would be one that Vancouver couldnt afford at this time. If Vancouver was willing to move 1st round picks this entire time, I think he could have brought in a Drouin or a Theodore. I think he saw a few opportunities of expendable players in other franchises who succeeded at the AHL level, and hoped it would translate. I cant blame him for giving Vey, Sven, Clendenning, etc. a chance to prove themselves in a better opportunity considering how they had played in the AHL.

Im not saying hes a super scout for Jr or Pro, but I think he was trying to steal a few guys that franchises no longer seemed high on to replenish the team's empty cupboard
- WhiteLie

Sure, I agree with this and can't believe I forgot Baertschi and Vey

I just don't think it has worked enough so far.

Sure, I agree with this and can't believe I forgot Baertschi and Vey

I just don't think it has worked enough so far.
- belcherbd

I think what most forget to consider is that the draft is the draft, everyone gets a fair chance to select any player they want when its their turn. When it comes to the 5th pick, Vancouver can pick anyone they want aside from the 4 players chosen ahead, JB's uninhibited chance to get the player he wants.

Acquiring players and prospects after they have been drafted then becomes a lot more challenging. Yes, JB would love to have blue chip prospects and young guns that will bring an immediate impact, but those other NHL teams also have pretty good scouts who are advising their GM not to trade them away. His eye for talent I think is equal, but the opportunities to showcase that is tougher because its easier to for other GM's to decline a trade and hope the prospect pans out than to deal one and see him blossom in Vancouver. Teams have to feel comfortable giving up on a guy or that they are getting the better end of a deal

Sutter would of been a UFA this season, his new contract doesn't kick in until next season, he was extended soon after the deal last season.

I am making assumptions based off of comments that Benning has made and the amount of money he has paid those players. I don't think those players I mentioned have lived up to their contracts but perhaps Benning does.

I don't see how paying Dorsett 2.65 a year to be punched in face is living up to expectations but I don't know. I like Dorsett as a good 4th liner who can actually play hockey but he is overpaid. Miller, had a better year this season but still paid a premium for a at best average starter. Sbisa he described as a top 4 D man, he has improved but I don't think many believe he will become one. Bart was expensive depth but I will agree Weber was actually a good signing considering how he did the year previous, but he did lose his top 4 spot and ended up being waived.
- belcherbd

Further to my other post, I think when trading Kesler JB said to the Ducks "I need a young NHL defenseman in the deal", so they said "Well you cant have Lindholm, Vatanen, Fowler, Theodore. That leaves you with Sbisa", I am sure JB would've taken any of those other guys but they werent going to be available. Sbisa has potential to be a #4, but that was the best they were going to get. Nothing to do with scouting, maybe he needs to be a better negotiator (see: contracts ), but we dont get to see his player evaluations or rankings to definitively say hes a good Jr scout and poor Pro scout

People act like Sutter was injured this year so we have no idea what he's like as an NHL player, I don't get that? The guy played 495 games before he got to Vancouver. In his time with Pittsburgh Malkin missed almost 60 games out of a possible 216 (three seasons), plus Malkin played wing a lot with Crosby.Sutter still failed to produce or create much offense when filling that second line center role for them...he's not a top six center.
- LeftCoaster

I agree, but he will still fill the role of insulating Bo until Bo is ready to take over. It will hurt later(probably around 2019) when we could use that cap space better. But for now and the near future it is not an issue.

You used to like the Sutter trade. Has hindsight changed things for you?
- CanuckDon

Lefty is the new Phucker....

Sutter would of been a UFA this season, his new contract doesn't kick in until next season, he was extended soon after the deal last season.

I am making assumptions based off of comments that Benning has made and the amount of money he has paid those players. I don't think those players I mentioned have lived up to their contracts but perhaps Benning does.

I don't see how paying Dorsett 2.65 a year to be punched in face is living up to expectations but I don't know. I like Dorsett as a good 4th liner who can actually play hockey but he is overpaid. Miller, had a better year this season but still paid a premium for a at best average starter. Sbisa he described as a top 4 D man, he has improved but I don't think many believe he will become one. Bart was expensive depth but I will agree Weber was actually a good signing considering how he did the year previous, but he did lose his top 4 spot and ended up being waived.
- belcherbd

He didn't say Sbisa was a top 4 defensemen, he said he had the potential to be one. Who cares if Bart didn't work out. It was a 1 year signing which didn't cost any assets. Again, you are complaining about his use of the salary cap as opposed to the actual trades and they are two separate matters. I do believe he has paid over market in a few situations but as we aren't contenders it is a minor issue.

He inherited a team with no roster players between 20-25, limited scoring, and a complete lack of depth and girt. That's a lot of holes to fill when your only tradeable assets are draft picks.

Also, other teams/ UFA's see the glaring holes in this roster. Another factor that kills Benning at the negotiating table.

Sure, I agree with this and can't believe I forgot Baertschi and Vey

I just don't think it has worked enough so far.
- belcherbd

Its only been 2 seasons.

Lefty is the new Phucker....
- chompsey

He didn't say Sbisa was a top 4 defensemen, he said he had the potential to be one. Who cares if Bart didn't work out. It was a 1 year signing which didn't cost any assets. Again, you are complaining about his use of the salary cap as opposed to the actual trades and they are two separate matters. I do believe he has paid over market in a few situations but as we aren't contenders it is a minor issue.

He inherited a team with no roster players between 20-25, limited scoring, and a complete lack of depth and girt. That's a lot of holes to fill when your only tradeable assets are draft picks.

Also, other teams/ UFA's see the glaring holes in this roster. Another factor that kills Benning at the negotiating table.
- CanuckDon

He also had a boat load of NTCs to deal with.

He didn't say Sbisa was a top 4 defensemen, he said he had the potential to be one. Who cares if Bart didn't work out. It was a 1 year signing which didn't cost any assets. Again, you are complaining about his use of the salary cap as opposed to the actual trades and they are two separate matters. I do believe he has paid over market in a few situations but as we aren't contenders it is a minor issue.

He inherited a team with no roster players between 20-25, limited scoring, and a complete lack of depth and girt. That's a lot of holes to fill when your only tradeable assets are draft picks.

Also, other teams/ UFA's see the glaring holes in this roster. Another factor that kills Benning at the negotiating table.
- CanuckDon

TANK! BLOW THE TEAM UP!!!!! AND WIN THE CUP!!!!!

WHY CAN'T YOU DO THAT ALL AT ONCE JB - YOU SUCK WHORE!!!!

Its only been 2 seasons.
- thundachunk

2 seasons and no cups

TANK! BLOW THE TEAM UP!!!!! AND WIN THE CUP!!!!!

WHY CAN'T YOU DO THAT ALL AT ONCE JB - YOU SUCK WHORE!!!!
- chompsey

You're fierce...I like it.

He also had a boat load of NTCs to deal with.
- A_SteamingLombardi

can't forget the happy meal NTC's Gillis was handing out

TANK! BLOW THE TEAM UP!!!!! AND WIN THE CUP!!!!!

WHY CAN'T YOU DO THAT ALL AT ONCE JB - YOU SUCK WHORE!!!!
- chompsey

You're fierce...I like it.
- thundachunk

Giiiirrrrrllllll, don't even..... *snap* *snap* * snap*

2 seasons and no cups
- CanuckDon

Lets take him out back and lynch him.

Giiiirrrrrllllll, don't even..... *snap* *snap* * snap*
- chompsey

The little one still keeping you up at night?

The little one still keeping you up at night?
- thundachunk

Sleeping much better thanks! 7-30-6 ain't bad right?

Hows things?

Lets take him out back and lynch him.
- thundachunk

Eff that noise, lets start lynching all the bandwagon jumpers, emo's and bipolars instead!!!

Sleeping much better thanks! 7-30-6 ain't bad right?

Hows things?
- chompsey

Good I should be back to work in a few weeks. Off for a month so far. Golfing, Fishing, Weddings and hanging out with the kids. Good times.

He didn't say Sbisa was a top 4 defensemen, he said he had the potential to be one. Who cares if Bart didn't work out. It was a 1 year signing which didn't cost any assets. Again, you are complaining about his use of the salary cap as opposed to the actual trades and they are two separate matters. I do believe he has paid over market in a few situations but as we aren't contenders it is a minor issue.

He inherited a team with no roster players between 20-25, limited scoring, and a complete lack of depth and girt. That's a lot of holes to fill when your only tradeable assets are draft picks.

Also, other teams/ UFA's see the glaring holes in this roster. Another factor that kills Benning at the negotiating table.
- CanuckDon

We were talking about his pro talent evaluation and I'm using the amount he has paid those players as an indicator of how good players he thinks they are, maybe that's not fair.

I agree it's hard to fill that 20-25 gap when you only have picks, that doesn't mean that trying to fast-track the rebuild by using those picks will work or more to the point is working.

We were talking about his pro talent evaluation and I'm using the amount he has paid those players as an indicator of how good players he thinks they are, maybe that's not fair.

I agree it's hard to fill that 20-25 gap when you only have picks, that doesn't mean that trying to fast-track the rebuild by using those picks will work or more to the point is working.
- belcherbd

Thats incredibly unfair and unreasonable.....so many factors go into these negotiations that we aren't privy to that as outsiders it is extremely short-sighted to evaluate any GM/scouts ability based on what the player is paid....its downright ridiculous......