that trade worked out but id rather have andersson as a prospect that sven
- mauryballstein

Come talk to us when Anderson realizes his 20% shot at being a number 6 D man in 5 years until then, I'll enjoy 5 years of Sven scoring 20 plus goals

I think Burr will be back.
- belcherbd

You don't like Sutter at 4.3 as 2 nd line centre are ok with 4.5 fourth line winger?

Obviously. But it's not and either or situation.
Lucic is just more practical or realistic option.
SS is a pipe dream. Or another thing for people to get their hopes up about and then get disappointed and angry when it doesn't work out.
- dbot

But its my dream, god dammit.

The hits on Wheeler, Hall and Terovenen made my pants tingle. Plus he can hold his own when the mitts come off.
- fiveandagame

They didn't know what hit them.

the thing is the players he acquired arent proven and havent proven a thing aside from sven.
- mauryballstein

What exactly have your 5th round picks proven?

Speculative bullpoop and nonsense is the currency of this site.

No, I don't have transcripts of the phone calls between Benning and the other GM's. In my opinion, based on the circumstances of many other trades between other teams, Benning's parting with more assets than he should have to, to make the upgrades he's doing. It's an interpretation of market value. You're welcome to disagree.

Now I'll insert a bunch of stupid yellow things to further express superiority of some sort.

- YeOldTimer

Fair enough, and yes, speculative bullpoop and nonsense is the currency of this site. and the comment wasn't directed entirely at you, it was also everyone else that states JB overpays, when no one knows any of the dynamics regarding the transactions.

Your posts are solid, no need for stupid yellow things. Maybe it's just me being stupid by trying to be objective regarding transactions I'm not knowledgeable or qualified to critique.

I guess we will have to cast away the opinions of Willie Mitchell, Roberto Luongo , Bob Mckenzie , Friedman Florida panther team mates Benning ,Kypreos and multiple other people involved with the NHL because Belcherbd and Taj think Gudbranson is Meh.
- VANTEL

The irony.

Night night fellas.

He looks mean I like it when our players cower and turn the other cheek
- CanuckDon

Just think how mean he'll be about leaving Florida and his Girlfriend

What exactly have your 5th round picks proven?
- CanuckDon

Just think how mean he'll be about leaving Florida and his Girlfriend


- A_SteamingLombardi

I am sure he will be just fine.

Big picture, he acquired young talent with potential for his aging lineup. Narrow the focus, and you see he traded for older prospects that are capable of playing NHL vs unproven prospects that have a lot of question marks. Etem for Jensen to me sums up his intentions, Jensen isnt more than a 3rd liner at best but might not even get there. Etem can and does play 3rd line occasionally and thats a good idea to get a sure thing. I like that strategy, just because the Canucks have drafted so poorly and you need young serviceable players to fill out your roster. Shink and Forsling are higher risk as they have shown flashes of skill, but they still might be a ways from being average NHLers which JB thought he was acquiring.

My opinion is that I like the payment of those prospects and the occasional draft picks, which yield a 5-10% chance of a good NHLer, for an actual NHL player regardless of how mediocre. Teams throw away picks on rentals all the time, these picks are at least bringing in longer term pieces

EDIT: Players drafted between 31-60 are generally hit the 100 game mark (1 season and a bit) only 29-34% of the time. http://www2.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=455673
- WhiteLie

I think you meant 31-90 is 29-34%. That said it is a bit misleading as playing 100 games isn't necessary an indication of a good pick. I wonder if anyone has done a study showing a points or minutes per game.

I think the Canucks need more elite talent, not average talent. The chances are slimmer that they get a player in draft perhaps but IMO I think there is a better chance of getting an elite player out of the draft than trying the reclamation project route.

Beyond the first round, there is better than a 34.0% chance that a second-round pick (31-60) plays 100 NHL games. This falls to about 29.3% of third-round (61-90) picks, 19.3% in the fourth round (91-120), 14.7% in the fifth round (121-150), 15.5% in the sixth round (151-180) and 9.2% in the seventh round (181-210).

You don't like Sutter at 4.3 as 2 nd line centre are ok with 4.5 fourth line winger?
- VANTEL

I don't think Sutter is a 2nd line C but no I don't like his contract.

I said I think Burr will be back, as in I predict that it will happen.

You jumped all over me last week when someone asked if we had to keep only one out of Higgins and Burrows and I said Higgins because of the salary and thought he had more potential for a rebound season.

it cant be said any better than this of the 5 players you named only sven has shown top 4 or top 6 potential. Where as the players and prospects moved all show much higher and the guys we got could have easily been replaced via free agency without loosing prospect depth
- mauryballstein

Jensen, Forsling and Shink showed higher potential? Jensen was as good as gone to Europe, Forsling has good offensive skills from what we have seen, but hardly translates to North American rinks and the more physical game. Jury still out on him. Shink is really the only prospect we have moved that I fear might actually do something, but even then he was top 6 or bust in my view. Thats staking a lot on a one dimensional prospect, who has put up comparable AHL numbers to the guy he was traded for

The later round draft picks are pure lottery picks. Those late rounds yield less than a top 9F/top 6D upwards of 85% of the time, which at worst is what we acquired in those trades

The irony.

Night night fellas.
- walshyleafsfan

Kypreos is an ass but the other two are ok . The bigger question is wtf can't you stay away. Talk about an obsession. Nobody here gives a rats ass what you think but daily you arrive just like a morning bowel movement.

I told you if you don't like what I say stay in the Leaf thread . I never post there.

I don't think Sutter is a 2nd line C but no I don't like his contract.

I said I think Burr will be back, as in I predict that it will happen.

You jumped all over me last week when someone asked if we had to keep only one out of Higgins and Burrows and I said Higgins because of the salary and thought he had more potential for a rebound season.
- belcherbd

I don't remember that at all seeing neither will be back. Neither player spells win now, like ownership are being accused of

Fair enough, and yes, speculative bullpoop and nonsense is the currency of this site. and the comment wasn't directed entirely at you, it was also everyone else that states JB overpays, when no one knows any of the dynamics regarding the transactions.

Your posts are solid, no need for stupid yellow things. Maybe it's just me being stupid by trying to be objective regarding transactions I'm not knowledgeable or qualified to critique.
- Makita

I'd like to know how it all goes down behind the scene. Maybe instead of making the trade, look at a similar player that he is targeting on another club and make a lesser offer than he is about to make?

Whatever he ends up parting with to make the trade, that is the market price, to say he over paid means he could have made the trade for less, if he could have paid less, why didn't he?

How long has Edmonton wanted to upgrade their d? It is difficult to make a deal, I'm glad JB has added some size and grit on the back end.

I think you meant 31-90 is 29-34%. That said it is a bit misleading as playing 100 games isn't necessary an indication of a good pick. I wonder if anyone has done a study showing a points or minutes per game.

I think the Canucks need more elite talent, not average talent. The chances are slimmer that they get a player in draft perhaps but IMO I think there is a better chance of getting an elite player out of the draft than trying the reclamation project route.
- belcherbd

Youre right, its not entirely conclusive, but it is interesting and just highlights how difficult drafting is in the later rounds (particularly interesting is the result for the #5 pick seem safer and better than #4 ). You are right though, they need the elite talent. I dont mind the reclamation projects, as they are drafting and developing their top talents which appears the best and more certain route

I don't remember that at all seeing neither will be back. Neither player spells win now, like ownership are being accused of
- VANTEL

I agree neither coming back is likely the best decision although, it would suck to see Burr go via a buyout.

They also care about their image and I imagine Aquamans wallet which makes me think they keep Burrows.

I agree neither coming back is likely the best decision although, it would suck to see Burr go via a buyout.

They also care about their image and I imagine Aquamans wallet which makes me think they keep Burrows.
- belcherbd

If there is a taker it will be done. It would probably take Buurows and a fourth for a fifth but fans will scream like you wouldn't believe.

Maybe a package deal like Burr and Pedant o Mtl for a second

Just think how mean he'll be about leaving Florida and his Girlfriend


- A_SteamingLombardi

probably explains why we haven't heard from Gundbranson...I'd pull a Lindros if I had to leave her and the hot sun

You used to like the Sutter trade. Has hindsight changed things for you?
- CanuckDon

Sorry I got busy with life, boat trailer repairs and yard work are time consuming! I never liked the trade, the cost benefit was negative IMO.

That's not to say I don't like Sutter, he's a good player, he's just not what Benning was hoping IMO. I don't need to see anymore of him to form that opinion.

If there is a taker it will be done. It would probably take Buurows and a fourth for a fifth but fans will scream like you wouldn't believe.

Maybe a package deal like Burr and Pedant o Mtl for a second
- VANTEL

guessing we'd have to eat a little salary or take salary back, but at least JB would be acquiring picks and making some room and flexibility in the lineup.

This city and the GM wannabes per capita is ridiculous. Benning can't assess talent . Benning doesn't know how to trade. Benning doesn't know how to speak . Benning can't can't can't. Yikes

Benning cant pull trades at TDL. 2 words Roberto Luongo . Two years in the making finally the agent pulled it off. We forget how slow Gillis was at moving players.

Sutter deals sucks. Do yourself a favour. Go see what Canucks record was when Sutter played as opposed to when he didn't play.

We need a top 4 Dman . We trade for one and again the whining .

Tell me what do you think the cost to ger a third overall 6'5 RHD cost? Higgins and Burrows?

Forsling: wow The Defensive Anton Rodin was traded. Now we will never win a cup.

Benning walked in to an old core with 9 yes 9 NTC/NMC and 0 prospects aside from Bo Tanev and a drug addict. If people cant see how he has improved the team then we are just wasting time.

For the first time we have some good news in our system.
- VANTEL

Jim Bennng has done an EXCELLENT job bridging that age gap/void created by Mike Gillis. Outside of Virtanen, Demko & Boeser (yet unproven) none of the sub 25 guys are gonna knock your socks off, but they're good players...this is a really good thing for the Canucks future!

probably explains why we haven't heard from Gundbranson...I'd pull a Lindros if I had to leave her and the hot sun
- CanuckDon

I'm surprised more chicken littles aren't fretting about not hearing some stock comment from Gudbranson about being sad to leave Fla but looking forward to playing in a Canadian market.

guessing we'd have to eat a little salary or take salary back, but at least JB would be acquiring picks and making some room and flexibility in the lineup.
- hillbillydeluxe

Burrows and brother Subban to Mtl for a 2nd?