On another note did you know you aren't allowed to stand up in the SAP center in San Jose. If you do the ushers make you sit back down even if you lean forward they tell you to sit back. Now what kind of home ice advantage is that? You can't stand, be excited, or even lean forward to show your support, you must be mildly enthused from the seat!??

Would you consider Henrik high talent?? Because Bo reached 40 points in his 2nd year and it took Henrik 4 seasons I believe.. I'll never understand why people on here think Bos ceiling is the 2nd line. Yeah he's a 2 way center but the kid has everything to be elite level, he's bloody 21
- MaWLz

It really comes down to what you consider elite? If you are saying that Bo has the potential to be a 80-100 point offensively dominant centre like Henrik then I think you are out to lunch.

Henrik was highly touted before coming over from sweden because of his high end offensive abilities but the doubts were always about his skating, physicality and whether he could play with players other than his brother. Just because it took Henrik longer to get to 40 points doesn't mean that Bo will reach the same level of talent.

Horvat was highly touted for his complete game and was considered close to NHL ready because of that complete game and size. The doubts were whether his skating would be good enough and whether he had the offensive abilities to be a top 6 C. Obviously Horvat's skating isn't an issue and his offensive abilities so far look like they will translate but I don't think they look like he will double the way Henrik was able to do.

On another note did you know you aren't allowed to stand up in the SAP center in San Jose. If you do the ushers make you sit back down even if you lean forward they tell you to sit back. Now what kind of home ice advantage is that? You can't stand, be excited, or even lean forward to show your support, you must be mildly enthused from the seat!??
- Nucknab23

I've been to a couple of games there over the years and never had or noticed that experience. It is by far the best hockey arena in Cali IMO.

I've been to a couple of games there over the years and never had or noticed that experience. It is by far the best hockey arena in Cali IMO.
- belcherbd

This makes me curious. I've only ever been to Rogers arena and no other NHL facilities, how do you guys rate it against others you've been to? Too expensive obviously but in terms of the experience itself?

This makes me curious. I've only ever been to Rogers arena and no other NHL facilities, how do you guys rate it against others you've been to? Too expensive obviously but in terms of the experience itself?
- NorthNuck

I've seen games in LA, Anh, SJ, Cal, MTL and Van.

The best experience by far was during playoff games at GM place/Rogers but if I were to rank regular season experience without considering costs.

SJ
MTL

Cal
Van


LA
Anh

I've seen games in LA, Anh, SJ, Cal, MTL and Van.

The best experience by far was during playoff games at GM place/Rogers but if I were to rank regular season experience without considering costs.

SJ
MTL

Cal
Van


LA
Anh
- belcherbd

I really enjoy the Staples Center for hockey, its a really good venue and the fans are a little looser than regular season Rogers Arena IMO. I do have a hard time thinking good thoughts about the in arena experience in Vancouver though after how awful its been the past few seasons

I really enjoy the Staples Center for hockey, its a really good venue and the fans are a little looser than regular season Rogers Arena IMO. I do have a hard time thinking good thoughts about the in arena experience in Vancouver though after how awful its been the past few seasons
- WhiteLie

Honestly with the staples center, when I've gone there it felt like so many people were there just to be in the building and like 30% of them didn't give a sh!t who was playing or what was happening
source: clippers game '07 (so no I never saw hockey there, maybe its just the nba and the fact that the clipps sucked)

Sedan Sedin _____ 14 million
Virtanen Sutter ______ 5,269 137 milion
Baerstchi Horvat Hansen 4,288 334 million
______Granlund Dorsett 3,550 000 million

Out: Etem Burrows Vey Higgins Vrbata

27,101,481 for the forwards

Edler Tanev 9,450 000 million
Hutton Gudbranson 4,396 250 million
Sbisa Trymkin 5,275 000 million Biega included as 7th D

Biega

19,121 250 for the defence

Out: Hamhuis Bartowski Weber

Miller Markstrom 7,550 000 milion.


Cap hit not including possible buyout for Burrows and Higgins. Including the 800 000 for the Luongo fiasco.

54,572 731 Are my projected salary numbers. I have seen others as low as 44 million and as high as 61 million.

I think we could see Higgins and Burrows going to a bottom floor cap team. thats why they weren't included.

Bartowski and Weber will never wear a Canucks uniform again.

Hamhuis would probably sign a home town discount to stay but I thing he will be offered some big numbers elsewhere.

Vrbata's hurt feeling will never bring him back here.

Etem has a ton of potential but I think he is lazy.

Vantels Golden boy Vey might get qualified but I doubt it.

Gaunce Pedan and Subban will push for a spot but I don't think they will get it.

In conclusion, between the players not re-signed, UFA's and RFA's ect. That leaves us with 16,827 269 in cap space for 3 roster spots to fill.

Go ahead and critic all you want and feel free to guess on who you want to target to fit these numbers. I think I have come up with some realistic numbers.

I really enjoy the Staples Center for hockey, its a really good venue and the fans are a little looser than regular season Rogers Arena IMO. I do have a hard time thinking good thoughts about the in arena experience in Vancouver though after how awful its been the past few seasons
- WhiteLie

All those places I've only been once, where I've been to maybe 15-20 Van games some really good and some not.

Last year in game 2 against Calgary during the playoffs was the best game experience I've ever been to I think. Helps we won obviously and the playoffs makes a huge difference.

Honestly with the staples center, when I've gone there it felt like so many people were there just to be in the building and like 30% of them didn't give a sh!t who was playing or what was happening
source: clippers game '07 (so no I never saw hockey there, maybe its just the nba and the fact that the clipps sucked)
- DeflatedPucks

Ya that was my experience as well, Anh was worse though.

Sedan Sedin _____ 14 million
Virtanen Sutter ______ 5,269 137 milion
Baerstchi Horvat Hansen 4,288 334 million
______Granlund Dorsett 3,550 000 million

Out: Etem Burrows Vey Higgins Vrbata

27,101,481 for the forwards

Edler Tanev 9,450 000 million
Hutton Gudbranson 4,396 250 million
Sbisa Trymkin 5,275 000 million Biega included as 7th D

Biega

19,121 250 for the defence

Out: Hamhuis Bartowski Weber

Miller Markstrom 7,550 000 milion.

Go ahead and critic all you want and feel free to guess on who you want to target to fit these numbers. I think I have come up with some realistic numbers.
- thundachunk

Play Hansen with the Sedins, eliminates the need to look for an OK 1st liner, can sign good 2nd and 3rd liners, Etem plays on the 4th line, you forgot Larsen and Pedan on D, send Biega down, carry 8 Dmen with Larsen and Pedan as the extras. OR trade Sbisa and then they can fight for the 6th spot.

Sedan Sedin _____ 14 million
Virtanen Sutter ______ 5,269 137 milion
Baerstchi Horvat Hansen 4,288 334 million
______Granlund Dorsett 3,550 000 million

Out: Etem Burrows Vey Higgins Vrbata

27,101,481 for the forwards

Edler Tanev 9,450 000 million
Hutton Gudbranson 4,396 250 million
Sbisa Trymkin 5,275 000 million Biega included as 7th D

Biega

19,121 250 for the defence

Out: Hamhuis Bartowski Weber

Miller Markstrom 7,550 000 milion.


Cap hit not including possible buyout for Burrows and Higgins. Including the 800 000 for the Luongo fiasco.

54,572 731 Are my projected salary numbers. I have seen others as low as 44 million and as high as 61 million.

I think we could see Higgins and Burrows going to a bottom floor cap team. thats why they weren't included.

Bartowski and Weber will never wear a Canucks uniform again.

Hamhuis would probably sign a home town discount to stay but I thing he will be offered some big numbers elsewhere.

Vrbata's hurt feeling will never bring him back here.

Etem has a ton of potential but I think he is lazy.

Vantels Golden boy Vey might get qualified but I doubt it.

Gaunce Pedan and Subban will push for a spot but I don't think they will get it.

In conclusion, between the players not re-signed, UFA's and RFA's ect. That leaves us with 16,827 269 in cap space for 3 roster spots to fill.

Go ahead and critic all you want and feel free to guess on who you want to target to fit these numbers. I think I have come up with some realistic numbers.
- thundachunk

Sedan Sedin Brouwer 14 million+
Virtanen Sutter Lucic/Ladd 5,269 137 milion+
Baerstchi Horvat Hansen 4,288 334 million
Martin Granlund Dorsett 3,550 000 million+

I wouldn't mind those lines. Now i know Brouwer isn't a 1st line player, but the sedins don't need a 1st line player to produce. They need a player like Brouwer. Someone that can make room for them, sit in front of the net, and do most of the battles along the boards. That type of player makes them the most effective. I like Brouwer here over Lucic/ladd due to shooting right and able to play this role just as well.

Play Hansen with the Sedins, eliminates the need to look for an OK 1st liner, can sign good 2nd and 3rd liners, Etem plays on the 4th line, you forgot Larsen and Pedan on D, send Biega down, carry 8 Dmen with Larsen and Pedan as the extras. OR trade Sbisa and then they can fight for the 6th spot.
- NorthNuck

I mentioned 3 players I had to make a push for a spot in the roster as Subban Pedan and Gaunce. I only mentioned players I thought would have a chance. Rodin and Larsen are not even on my list of maybes.

Play Hansen with the Sedins, eliminates the need to look for an OK 1st liner, can sign good 2nd and 3rd liners, Etem plays on the 4th line, you forgot Larsen and Pedan on D, send Biega down, carry 8 Dmen with Larsen and Pedan as the extras. OR trade Sbisa and then they can fight for the 6th spot.
- NorthNuck

I would prefer to trade Hansen while his value is at an all time high(for him) and keep Etem to play 3rd line. Baer-BoHo-Etem were playing very well together at the end and could have a good season next year.

I mentioned 3 players I had to make a push for a spot in the roster as Subban Pedan and Gaunce. I only mentioned players I thought would have a chance. Rodin and Larsen are not even on my list of maybes.
- thundachunk

My bad, I missed that you mentioned Pedan. I'm not sure about JV playing on the 2nd line, I think it could benefit him to spend more time with Horvat.

Sedan Sedin _____ 14 million
Virtanen Sutter ______ 5,269 137 milion
Baerstchi Horvat Hansen 4,288 334 million
______Granlund Dorsett 3,550 000 million

Out: Etem Burrows Vey Higgins Vrbata

27,101,481 for the forwards

Edler Tanev 9,450 000 million
Hutton Gudbranson 4,396 250 million
Sbisa Trymkin 5,275 000 million Biega included as 7th D

Biega

19,121 250 for the defence

Out: Hamhuis Bartowski Weber

Miller Markstrom 7,550 000 milion.


Cap hit not including possible buyout for Burrows and Higgins. Including the 800 000 for the Luongo fiasco.

54,572 731 Are my projected salary numbers. I have seen others as low as 44 million and as high as 61 million.

In conclusion, between the players not re-signed, UFA's and RFA's ect. That leaves us with 16,827 269 in cap space for 3 roster spots to fill.

Go ahead and critic all you want and feel free to guess on who you want to target to fit these numbers. I think I have come up with some realistic numbers.
- thundachunk

That 16 million doesn't include the 7 million owed to Burrow/Higgins right?

So that number only works if those players are traded without retaining or bringing back salary.

This is actually what is signed I believe (not counting Higgins/Burrows)

Sedin Sedin
Horvat Hansen
Virtanen Sutter Rodin
Granlund Dorsett

Edler Tanev
Hutton Gundbranson
Sbisa Tryamkin
Biega

Miller
Markstrom

9.45 in space with Higgins/Burrows on roster

11.12 with just Higgins bought out
11.45 with just Burrows bought out
13.12 with both Higgins Burrows bought out

10.49 with just one of Burrows/Higgins sent to AHL
11.43 with both sent to AHL

All those places I've only been once, where I've been to maybe 15-20 Van games some really good and some not.

Last year in game 2 against Calgary during the playoffs was the best game experience I've ever been to I think. Helps we won obviously and the playoffs makes a huge difference.
- belcherbd

The brawl game right? I was there too, best experience I have had in Rogers in ages. I really had a lot of fun and the crowd was pretty good. It definitely helps when the team is winning, but still should be a better atmosphere in there regardless

I think we start the season with

Sedin Sedin Hansen
Baertschi Horvat UFA
Burrows Sutter Rodin
Etem Granlund Dorsett
Zalewski

Edler Tanev
Hutton Gundbranson
Hamhuis Tryamkin
Biega

Sbisa traded
Higgins bought out
Virtanen to start in AHL

Hamhuis resigned for 4 million
Zalewskit signed to 900 K
Baertschi signed for 2 million
Etem signed for 1 million

7.72 to sign a UFA.

Honestly with the staples center, when I've gone there it felt like so many people were there just to be in the building and like 30% of them didn't give a sh!t who was playing or what was happening
source: clippers game '07 (so no I never saw hockey there, maybe its just the nba and the fact that the clipps sucked)
- DeflatedPucks

Yeah I wouldnt say its perfect, I dont have any other NHL rinks to compare it to but I was surprised as it was pre-Cup winning Kings. The crowd was good for some fun jabs but overall nice and actually attentive to the games, which I havent seen at too many Canuck games the past several regular seasons

The brawl game right? I was there too, best experience I have had in Rogers in ages. I really had a lot of fun and the crowd was pretty good. It definitely helps when the team is winning, but still should be a better atmosphere in there regardless
- WhiteLie

Ya, Horvat played amazing, Kenins as well was really good. It was really fun to watch this team play with speed.

It really comes down to what you consider elite? If you are saying that Bo has the potential to be a 80-100 point offensively dominant centre like Henrik then I think you are out to lunch.

Henrik was highly touted before coming over from sweden because of his high end offensive abilities but the doubts were always about his skating, physicality and whether he could play with players other than his brother. Just because it took Henrik longer to get to 40 points doesn't mean that Bo will reach the same level of talent.

Horvat was highly touted for his complete game and was considered close to NHL ready because of that complete game and size. The doubts were whether his skating would be good enough and whether he had the offensive abilities to be a top 6 C. Obviously Horvat's skating isn't an issue and his offensive abilities so far look like they will translate but I don't think they look like he will double the way Henrik was able to do.
- belcherbd

Are all first line centers in the NHL as dynamic offensively as Henrik?
Is Toews, Bergeron, etc actually 2nd liners? I think that Horvat has a ceiling in the range of Toews, not saying he'll make it but 40 points as a21 year old is pretty effective especially for a2 way center

Sedan Sedin Brouwer 14 million+
Virtanen Sutter Lucic/Ladd 5,269 137 milion+
Baerstchi Horvat Hansen 4,288 334 million
Martin Granlund Dorsett 3,550 000 million+

I wouldn't mind those lines. Now i know Brouwer isn't a 1st line player, but the sedins don't need a 1st line player to produce. They need a player like Brouwer. Someone that can make room for them, sit in front of the net, and do most of the battles along the boards. That type of player makes them the most effective. I like Brouwer here over Lucic/ladd due to shooting right and able to play this role just as well.
- Retinalz

I dont see Brouwer being the right fit for the twins. Hansen was particularly effective because he was fast enough to get the puck, likewise when Sutter was with them. Henrik and Daniel slow the game down to their speed when they have the puck, but like we saw in 3 on 3, if they lose it they are screwed without someone fast on the ice with them

I find it funny that people are putting Biega in the line up, Larsen is going to surprise a lot of people. Biega was given his contract as a thank you for his work as the Comets capt, he is a career AHL player. Larsen finished 5th in D-men scoring in the KHL, he and Edler are the guys that will be QBing the PP.

I find it funny that people are putting Biega in the line up, Larsen is going to surprise a lot of people. Biega was given his contract as a thank you for his work as the Comets capt, he is a career AHL player. Larsen finished 5th in D-men scoring in the KHL, he and Edler are the guys that will be QBing the PP.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I agree. It seems like just because out of necessity he played up all year people think they will keep him in the NHL. Not only is his skill cap low, he's exactly the type of guy you want teaching in the AHL, very hard working. His game is passable as a 5/6 NHL Dman in the short term but certainly not over the whole season. Plus if Larsen can contribute even 5 goals all year that's 5 goals Biega couldn't.

I mentioned 3 players I had to make a push for a spot in the roster as Subban Pedan and Gaunce. I only mentioned players I thought would have a chance. Rodin and Larsen are not even on my list of maybes.
- thundachunk

Rodin and Larsen have a much higher chance of making the team than Subban and Gaunce

Rodin = 80% Larsen = 60%
Subban = 0% Gaunce = 50%

In my opinion