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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 7:31 PM ET
I'm not anti-DeBrincat, but even before reading up on him, I wouldn't have touched him before round 2. Little is fine. Little and slightly above average speed is worrisome to me.
- Jsaquella


Not saying I'd draft him either but he's a goal scorer & getting more 1st round talk than Abramov at the moment.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 8 @ 7:32 PM ET
You want the best player available and all that doo daa.

I get that. I just want something as close to top 6 talent with decent size as possible. Trade up to get it if need be.

- flyer_nutter


Uh, Kunin has top 6 talent and projectability.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 7:32 PM ET
His report was fascinating. Literally checked off every single buzz word I look for in a dman. IF he fell to 48, which I'm questioning if he falls to even 30, he would be a fascinating pick.
- Mononoke


Yeah, a good read........we'll see how he translates into the college game.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 8 @ 7:34 PM ET
Uh, Kunin has top 6 talent and projectability.
- Jsaquella

Cool. Then explore Bellows and if not Kunin.

I'm satisfied.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 8 @ 7:34 PM ET
Not saying I'd draft him either but he's a goal scorer & getting more 1st round talk than Abramov at the moment.
- ob18


Is he? Both kind of are in that short player 1st/2nd middle ground. The 2 inches and speed may give Abramov the advantage come draft night.

Even in his combine, the scouts seemed to really just like him. I remember watching an interview and he is just infectiously fun. On and off the ice.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 8 @ 7:34 PM ET
Not saying I'd draft him either but he's a goal scorer & getting more 1st round talk than Abramov at the moment.
- ob18


I know. I just worry a guy that small and lacking the blazing speed will need to be a strong skater-like Marty St Louis or Theo Fleury. DeBrincat doesn't really have that quality to him.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:34 PM ET
Tufte.

High school hockey? What the (frank).
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 8 @ 7:35 PM ET
Cool. Then explore Bellows and if not Kunin.

I'm satisfied.

- flyer_nutter


I had Bellows at the top of my list until I dug deeper on Kunin. Kunin, to me, is a better prospect with a higher upside. Won't be upset with either. Hell there's 6 or 7 guys I'd be totally happy with. Both forwards and defense
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:36 PM ET
I know. I just worry a guy that small and lacking the blazing speed will need to be a strong skater-like Marty St Louis or Theo Fleury. DeBrincat doesn't really have that quality to him.
- Jsaquella


I probably have a top 10 list (but I won't put them in any sort of ranking order)
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:37 PM ET
I probably have a top 10 list (but I won't put them in any sort of ranking order)
- ob18


My top 5 would be in order. After that, meh
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:38 PM ET
I probably have a top 10 list (but I won't put them in any sort of ranking order)
- ob18

Whip it out whip it out.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:38 PM ET
I had Bellows at the top of my list until I dug deeper on Kunin. Kunin, to me, is a better prospect with a higher upside. Won't be upset with either. Hell there's 6 or 7 guys I'd be totally happy with. Both forwards and defense
- Jsaquella


I may indeed prefer Kunin.....I am a big Bellows fan having watched every U18 game. Kunin has a more well-rounded game, not too far off goal scoring abilities, better skater. Bellows definitely is not a Keller cling-on though.

I also am a fan of the C/W versatility.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:39 PM ET
Idk where you guys are, but I made it to D and am really trying to mine some of the 3rd round + gems.....got ~15 names so far that intrigue me
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 8 @ 7:39 PM ET
I may indeed prefer Kunin.....I am a big Bellows fan having watched every U18 game. Kunin has a more well-rounded game, not too far off goal scoring abilities, better skater. Bellows definitely is not a Keller cling-on though.

I also am a fan of the C/W versatility.

- Mononoke


I liked Kunin before, but I really went deep on his videos and reports and I just love his game. The smarts are so apparent, and he's got the skill to go along with it. He gets in people's faces, too
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:40 PM ET
You guys would love tinder.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 8 @ 7:40 PM ET
Idk where you guys are, but I made it to D and am really trying to mine some of the 3rd round + gems.....got ~15 names so far that intrigue me
- Mononoke


I went through all the way to get a general feel, now I'm stating to go deeper in reading. I'm skipping through the NRs, but reading intently on guys rated above 100 or so
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:42 PM ET
Luke Kunin
Max Jones
German Rubstov
Michael McLeod
Rasmus Asplund
Keiffer Bellows
Jake Bean
Dennis Cholowski
Boris Katchouk

Okay it's more like 9 but it's only who I think would be there at 18.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:44 PM ET
Luke Kunin
Max Jones
German Rubstov
Michael McLeod
Rasmus Asplund
Keiffer Bellows
Jake Bean
Dennis Cholowski
Boris Katchouk

Okay it's more like 9 but it's only who I think would be there at 18.

- ob18

Rubstov.

How's the skating, physical game?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:44 PM ET
Idk where you guys are, but I made it to D and am really trying to mine some of the 3rd round + gems.....got ~15 names so far that intrigue me
- Mononoke


Lucas Carlsson could be one of those.........
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 8 @ 7:56 PM ET
Rubstov.

How's the skating, physical game?

- flyer_nutter


Solid. Biggest concern is offensive ceiling. Good all around player, lot of hockey sense, safe pick to be a 2nd/3rd line C
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 7:57 PM ET
Lucas Carlsson could be one of those.........
- ob18


He stuck out to me -- he was on my list already as a potential 3/4 rounder

I seem to have quite a lot of 19-20 year olds on my list for latter picks. I always believe that area is not mined enough.

A few other names I have: Filip Berglund RD 3/4 round.....Henrik Borgstrom C 2/3.....Joachim Blichfeld RW/LW 5/6...
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 8 @ 8:05 PM ET
Cameron Clarke is someone Edwards seem to be high on. Very unusual and risky pick. Description sounds terrific though. But again, the situation: 20 year old D man (who used to be a forward) playing in the NAHL in Texas. He could be a ballsy 5-7 round pick. Red Line is also very flattering of him as a potential home run pick.



Cameron Clarke is a 1996 born and thus a third time NHL draft eligible. Moving on from Sarnia Legionnaires of GOJHL, Clarke has spent the 2015-2016 season playing for Lone Star in NAHL where he has produced 51 points in 63 games. Clarke has decent size. Although he has some filling out to do, he has good reach and uses his stick intelligently. Possessing above-average mobility in all 4 directions, Clarke does a good job maintaining his gaps and exhibits high amount of control over the space on the ice with his reach. He is good at keeping inside body position and steering the forwards to the perimeter. He uses that especially well while skating in reverse and defending in transition. While not small, Clarke could engage physically at a more consistent level and he isn’t a big physical presence on the ice.

Clarke is an intelligent puck-mover that plays with no panic in his game and does a good job finding solutions. He can start the break-out and also has good skating ability, making him a strong player in transition. Although we have seen him use his shot from the point, he is more of a puck-distributor than a big threat with his shot. The fact that Clarke is already 20 years old playing in what is not the strongest league does raise some questions, but we can’t ignore the fact that Clarke does possess legitimate upside as a smart,mobile blueliner that has some room to fill out.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 8:06 PM ET
He stuck out to me -- he was on my list already as a potential 3/4 rounder

I seem to have quite a lot of 19-20 year olds on my list for latter picks. I always believe that area is not mined enough.

A few other names I have: Filip Berglund RD 3/4 round.....Henrik Borgstrom C 2/3.....Joachim Blichfeld RW/LW 5/6...

- Mononoke


Dillon Dube, Tobias Eder, Maxime Fortier, Trent Frederic, Brendan Harrogate, Linus Lindstrom etc
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 8 @ 8:08 PM ET
List your top 18 prospects in order or GTFO
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 8 @ 8:09 PM ET
Dillon Dube, Tobias Eder, Maxime Fortier, Trent Frederic, Brendan Harrogate, Linus Lindstrom etc
- ob18


Only am start "D"...give me time! I have more names than I listed.
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