Yes it is; Nathan Horton's contract is insured BTW
- Kinggilmour

How do you know whether it is or isn't?


I know Horton isn't insured, which is why I brought it up. Did you not see the issue there? You said uninsured contracts must be paid in full by the team and cannot be ltir' down. Horton being uninsured and and being on ltir means what you said is false.

then why did columbus move him?
- Tumbleweed

because the owner couldnt swallow paying a guy for not playing! just because its insurable doesnt mean the team doesnt have to pay the contract; it just means they can use it against the Cap figure.

IF the doctors Deem the player can no longer play; they can Insure the contract and get dollar relief; but that hasnt happened with Horton.

Source? I'm curious.
- TheMussel

I have heard this as well. I believe it was someone on TSN went into detail about it.

you may want to read up on that.

Players that sign with existing LTI that come back IE blood clot; Cancer: cannot be insured nor can they be used as LTIR cap relief; nor can it bought out.

The team will have to pay out the entire contract as well have it count against the Cap figure.
- Kinggilmour

I have no idea whether stamkos’ contract will be insurable or not – but sure favors the leafs if it isn’t.

The LTIR part doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t see anything in the CBA about exclusions like this. It should be in there if it exists.

The one example is Maata – I doubt the pens sign him long-term if LTIR exemption is not available.

Source? I'm curious.
- TheMussel

It's bs. What he said I just shot holes in, so.......

How do you know whether it is or isn't?


I know Horton isn't insured, which is why I brought it up. Did you not see the issue there? You said uninsured contracts must be paid in full by the team and cannot be ltir' down. Horton being uninsured and and being on ltir means what you said is false.
- burn

http://www.jacketscannon....469/the-37-million-gamble

ONLY if a doctor deems he can no longer play; can they Insure the contract. and that is if the player didnt already have an pre-exisiting illness like cancer prior to signing the contract

Can't find any mention of that anywhere. His sources may be unreliable.
- daeth

Uninsured contracts cannot be put on ltir.

Hortons uninsured contract put on ltir.


Maybe.....

http://www.jacketscannon.com/2015/3/8/8161469/the-37-million-gamble
- Kinggilmour

you just posted a link that say horton's contract was not insured ... which is widely known.

because the owner couldnt swallow paying a guy for not playing! just because its insurable doesnt mean the team doesnt have to pay the contract; it just means they can use it against the Cap figure.

IF the doctors Deem the player can no longer play; they can Insure the contract and get dollar relief; but that hasnt happened with Horton.
- Kinggilmour

see your link.

#fail

http://www.jacketscannon.com/2015/3/8/8161469/the-37-million-gamble

ONLY if a doctor deems he can no longer play; can they Insure the contract. and that is if the player didnt already have an pre-exisiting illness like cancer prior to signing the contract
- Kinggilmour

i don’t think you understand how insurance works.

Anyways, keep the rumors coming!!

because the owner couldnt swallow paying a guy for not playing! just because its insurable doesnt mean the team doesnt have to pay the contract; it just means they can use it against the Cap figure.

IF the doctors Deem the player can no longer play; they can Insure the contract and get dollar relief; but that hasnt happened with Horton.
- Kinggilmour

Wtf. Are you serious. There isn't a single insurance company in this world that will insure a contract AFTER the fact.

i don’t think you understand how insurance works.

Anyways, keep the rumors coming!!
- Tumbleweed

Are you saying insurance companies aren't willing to insure something that wasn't previously insurable because they are now deemed unable to play?

I have no idea whether stamkos’ contract will be insurable or not – but sure favors the leafs if it isn’t.

The LTIR part doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t see anything in the CBA about exclusions like this. It should be in there if it exists.

The one example is Maata – I doubt the pens sign him long-term if LTIR exemption is not available.
- Tumbleweed

From what I have heard, insuring a player with previous blood clot IS insurable... just damn expensive. Most small market teams would rather stay away from that unlike money bags, MLSE.

Anyways, the way I sees it is if Stamkos signs, he won't get insured for bloodclots, so if he's out due to bloodclots then Leafs are on hook for the salary but they can put it on LTIR.

Horton
Pronger
Maatta as mentioned above

I have no idea whether stamkos’ contract will be insurable or not – but sure favors the leafs if it isn’t.

The LTIR part doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t see anything in the CBA about exclusions like this. It should be in there if it exists.

The one example is Maata – I doubt the pens sign him long-term if LTIR exemption is not available.
- Tumbleweed

There isn't. It's bs. Horton contract already proved what he's saying as wrong.

Are you saying insurance companies aren't willing to insure something that wasn't previously insurable because they are now deemed unable to play?


- burn

only when obama forces them to

From what I have heard, insuring a player with previous blood clot IS insurable... just damn expensive. Most small market teams would rather stay away from that unlike money bags, MLSE.
- ShayneCorsi

that makes sense.

increase premiums.

Why would the nhl punish players by making their contracts LTIR ineligible after coming back from potentially life threatening health issues?

Way to beat cancer! Good luck finding somebody to sign your LTIR ineligible ass!

From what I have heard, insuring a player with previous blood clot IS insurable... just damn expensive. Most small market teams would rather stay away from that unlike money bags, MLSE.
- ShayneCorsi

There are 2 examples of uninsured contracts recently. Lombardi and Horton. Lombardi wasn't insured by Nashville cause the insurance was far to high due to his previous concussion issues. Horton COULDNT be insured because he was coming off an injury and was still injured when signed. Wasn't medically cleared when he signed. He missed the first half of the year with an injury after signing that contract, thus unable to insure.

This isn't the same as stamkos. If he's medically cleared this summer I dint know how or why he couldn't be insured. And insurance isn't/shouldn't be an issue to leafs. If that's the case only a few teams (maybe only one) would be able to fit him into cap and not be worried about uninsured contract.

There are 2 examples of uninsured contracts recently. Lombardi and Horton. Lombardi wasn't insured by Nashville cause the insurance was far to high due to his previous concussion issues. Horton COULDNT be insured because he was coming off an injury and was still injured when signed. Wasn't medically cleared when he signed. He missed the first half of the year with an injury after signing that contract, thus unable to insure.

This isn't the same as stamkos. If he's medically cleared this summer I dint know how or why he couldn't be insured. And insurance isn't/shouldn't be an issue to leafs. If that's the case only a few teams (maybe only one) would be able to fit him into cap and not be worried about uninsured contract.
- burn

He played a game in the playoffs, I don't see how he wouldn't be medically cleared at this point. Stamkos to Toronto

Why would the nhl punish players by making their contracts LTIR ineligible after coming back from potentially life threatening health issues?

Way to beat cancer! Good luck finding somebody to sign your LTIR ineligible ass!
- Tumbleweed

Such nonsense. this guy posting junk again, posting link that don't show anything and claiming "I told you so"


This guy is a joke.


Anyone still want to defend this goof?

you may want to read up on that.

Players that sign with existing LTI that come back IE blood clot; Cancer: cannot be insured nor can they be used as LTIR cap relief; nor can it bought out.

The team will have to pay out the entire contract as well have it count against the Cap figure.
- Kinggilmour

What about Horton? We LTIR him when we hit max cap don't we?

Such nonsense. this guy posting junk again, posting link that don't show anything and claiming "I told you so"


This guy is a joke.


Anyone still want to defend this goof?
- burn

I actually think he has a source … but I think you believe what you want.

His own opinions is what I question.

7 years 9.1 per for Stamkos. Contract is already signed.

Uninsured contracts cannot be put on ltir.

Hortons uninsured contract put on ltir.


Maybe.....
- burn

I think you need to follow the timing of contract signing and injury/condition.

Pre existing condition or not a pre existing condition, that sounds to me to be the deciding factor....I think.