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CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jun 13 @ 11:25 PM ET
If they sign Eriksson and Hansen goes back to to his regular output, which is 99% probable, he'll be worth a fourth rounder.

The time to trade him is now. But, if Benning and company want to compete now, they'll keep him IMO. Personally, I'd explore moving him.

- LeftCoaster


He's cheap, fast, defensively sound - a pretty smart player. He's a good piece on a contending team, which I think management thinks the Canucks will be. The only way Hansen gets moved is if the Canucks are in the same position next TDL as the last one.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 13 @ 11:30 PM ET
We have the same number of prospects under contract as other teams, we aren't understocked.
- A_SteamingLombardi

More thinking about quality, not quantity. Continue to draft and hope you can get a few second round gems.

Doug Weight, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, James Neal, Loui Eriksson, Patrik Elias, Justin Faulk, Roman Josi, Geoff Sanderson, Brendan Morrison, Wayne Simmonds, Jozef Stumpel, Bryan McCabe, Patrice Bergeron, P.K. Subban, Paul Stastny, Shea Weber, Mike Cammalleri, Milan Lucic, Duncan Keith, Jason Pominville, Zdeno Chara, Michael Nylander, Brandon Dubinsky, Jiri Hudler, Brad Richards, David Krejci, David Backes, Kris Letang, Jonathan Quick, Alexei Zhamnov, Vinny Prospal, Marc Savard, Alex Edler, Braden Holtby, Patrick Sharp, Johan Franzen, Adam Foote, Thomas Plekanec, Joe Nieuwendyk, Chris Chelios etc. etc.

All second and third round picks.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jun 13 @ 11:39 PM ET
More thinking about quality, not quantity. Continue to draft and hope you can get a few second round gems.

Doug Weight, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, James Neal, Patrik Elias, Justin Faulk, Roman Josi, Geoff Sanderson, Brendan Morrison, Jozef Stumpel, Bryan McCabe, Patrice Bergeron, P.K. Subban, Paul Stastny, Shea Weber, Mike Cammalleri, Milan Lucic, Duncan Keith, Jason Pominville, Zdeno Chara, Michael Nylander, Brandon Dubinsky, Jiri Hudler, Brad Richards, David Krejci, David Backes, Kris Letang, Jonathan Quick, Alexei Zhamnov, Vinny Prospal, Marc Savard, Alex Edler, Braden Holtby, Patrick Sharp, Johan Franzen, Adam Foote, Thomas Plekanec, Joe Nieuwendyk, Chris Chelios etc. etc.

All second and third round picks.

- Pacificgem


I think we need both (quality and quantity) and i agree, it would be nice if we could get another 1st and a 2nd rounder, by moving some pieces...however, i don't see this happening at this stage, if it does occur, i think it'll be at the draft.
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Jun 13 @ 11:44 PM ET
You trade Hansen if you can replace his on-ice contributions for nothing via free agency, even if you pay a little more. I'd much rather have a 2nd round pick and sign another middle six forward than just have Hansen on the cheap. Trading him is good asset management.

"Remember, the Canucks finished 12 points behind Minnesota for the final wild-card spot this spring, and 21 points back of any other playoff team in the West. That’s a lot of ground to cover, especially with four teams finishing between them and the playoff bar; so it’s not just the points to make up, but the teams to leapfrog, too, to get where the Canucks want to be."

They may make a valiant effort at the playoffs, but they don't have the lineup or talent to get it done.

- LeftCoaster



I realize I'm a few hrs behind, but I can't help it. Hansen is a valuable asset. Worth so much more than a 2nd rd pick. His contract is very cap friendly and he can play up and down the lineup. To trade him for and sign a Brouwer for example...is just wrong. You'll pay double for Brouwer. The team is going for the playoffs again. Like it or not. If Eriksson ends up here you would imagine 30 goals with Sedins. The Canucks didn't have that last year. However, did the year before with Vrbata (even tho not full year with Sedins).

If Trader Jim can squeeze a mid 1st for Hansen then maybe (Fabbro). But if not, you move him at the TDL if the team is trending downwards. Otherwise I just think he's way to valuable to the team. Cap wise and all the intangibles as well. He's a vet that's good with our youth and he wants to be here.

Who trades a good utility player with a friendly cap hit (for multiple years) anyway???
#[email protected]
#Sutter@4mill+

hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 14 @ 12:00 AM ET
I realize I'm a few hrs behind, but I can't help it. Hansen is a valuable asset. Worth so much more than a 2nd rd pick. His contract is very cap friendly and he can play up and down the lineup. To trade him for and sign a Brouwer for example...is just wrong. You'll pay double for Brouwer. The team is going for the playoffs again. Like it or not. If Eriksson ends up here you would imagine 30 goals with Sedins. The Canucks didn't have that last year. However, did the year before with Vrbata (even tho not full year with Sedins).

If Trader Jim can squeeze a mid 1st for Hansen then maybe (Fabbro). But if not, you move him at the TDL if the team is trending downwards. Otherwise I just think he's way to valuable to the team. Cap wise and all the intangibles as well. He's a vet that's good with our youth and he wants to be here.

Who trades a good utility player with a friendly cap hit (for multiple years) anyway???
#[email protected]
#Sutter@4mill+


- storm88


teams not expected to win the cup... once next season starts, multiple years turns into one and a bit... If we can get a first round pick and replace him with a ufa, that sounds like the over used asset management...

tdl still might be the best time to move him though.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 14 @ 12:04 AM ET
I realize I'm a few hrs behind, but I can't help it. Hansen is a valuable asset. Worth so much more than a 2nd rd pick. His contract is very cap friendly and he can play up and down the lineup. To trade him for and sign a Brouwer for example...is just wrong. You'll pay double for Brouwer. The team is going for the playoffs again. Like it or not. If Eriksson ends up here you would imagine 30 goals with Sedins. The Canucks didn't have that last year. However, did the year before with Vrbata (even tho not full year with Sedins).

If Trader Jim can squeeze a mid 1st for Hansen then maybe (Fabbro). But if not, you move him at the TDL if the team is trending downwards. Otherwise I just think he's way to valuable to the team. Cap wise and all the intangibles as well. He's a vet that's good with our youth and he wants to be here.

Who trades a good utility player with a friendly cap hit (for multiple years) anyway???
#[email protected]
#Sutter@4mill+


- storm88

I think you're way to attached to a middle six guy who was extremely lucky to be put with the Sedins and have a career year in goals. The guy averages 12 goals a year and he's a good penalty killer....that's all he is!!!!

I'd much prefer to sign another player of his skill-set (http://www.hockeybuzz.com...ap-central/freeagents.php) and take a 2nd round pick to the draft and try to unearth a gem in the second round. It's just good asset management.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 14 @ 12:07 AM ET
teams not expected to win the cup... once next season starts, multiple years turns into one and a bit... If we can get a first round pick and replace him with a ufa, that sounds like the over used asset management...

tdl still might be the best time to move him though.

- hillbillydeluxe


Not if he has 7 goals and he's back playing in his rightful spot on the third line. Strike while the irons hot.
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Jun 14 @ 12:17 AM ET
I think you're way to attached to a middle six guy who was extremely lucky to be put with the Sedins and have a career year in goals. The guy averages 12 goals a year and he's a good penalty killer....that's all he is!!!!

I'd much prefer to sign another player of his skill-set (http://www.hockeybuzz.com...ap-central/freeagents.php) and take a 2nd round pick to the draft and try to unearth a gem in the second round. It's just good asset management.

- LeftCoaster



I'm open to moving him. Not for a 2nd. Totally off topic, but Rodin could be a wild card next year. Perhaps he see's time with the Sedins. Especially if Eriksson doesn't come here. Or does and gets injured. Larsen could surprise too (on D, pp).
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 14 @ 12:23 AM ET
that has been the official motto of canucks' management for years and years.
- RealityChecker


The problem is gillis/ Nonis couldn't draft so they needed 10 picks to find an NHL player. Our current management group can get the job done with 5 picks.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 14 @ 12:31 AM ET
He's cheap, fast, defensively sound - a pretty smart player. He's a good piece on a contending team, which I think management thinks the Canucks will be. The only way Hansen gets moved is if the Canucks are in the same position next TDL as the last one.
- CubanBuffet



He isn't going anywhere. Should we talk about trading the Sedins or Edler next?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 14 @ 12:32 AM ET
More thinking about quality, not quantity. Continue to draft and hope you can get a few second round gems.

Doug Weight, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, James Neal, Loui Eriksson, Patrik Elias, Justin Faulk, Roman Josi, Geoff Sanderson, Brendan Morrison, Wayne Simmonds, Jozef Stumpel, Bryan McCabe, Patrice Bergeron, P.K. Subban, Paul Stastny, Shea Weber, Mike Cammalleri, Milan Lucic, Duncan Keith, Jason Pominville, Zdeno Chara, Michael Nylander, Brandon Dubinsky, Jiri Hudler, Brad Richards, David Krejci, David Backes, Kris Letang, Jonathan Quick, Alexei Zhamnov, Vinny Prospal, Marc Savard, Alex Edler, Braden Holtby, Patrick Sharp, Johan Franzen, Adam Foote, Thomas Plekanec, Joe Nieuwendyk, Chris Chelios etc. etc.

All second and third round picks.

- Pacificgem


Interesting. Now please provide a list of players that didn't make the NHL and were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round. Thx in advance
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jun 14 @ 12:54 AM ET

He isn't going anywhere. Should we talk about trading the Sedins or Edler next?

- CanuckDon


If you can get good value then obviously you've got to think about it - same as with virtually any player - but to do it just for the sake of doing it or to open up a roster spot doesn't make any sense.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 14 @ 12:55 AM ET
teams not expected to win the cup... once next season starts, multiple years turns into one and a bit... If we can get a first round pick and replace him with a ufa, that sounds like the over used asset management...

tdl still might be the best time to move him though.

- hillbillydeluxe


ZERO chance we can get a first round pick at the draft. Zero, none
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 14 @ 12:58 AM ET
If you can get good value then obviously you've got to think about it - same as with virtually any player - but to do it just for the sake of doing it or to open up a roster spot doesn't make any sense.
- CubanBuffet


100%
If a team foolishly offers a first of course you do it. But he would likely warrant a high third at this point. He is worth more than that to the Canucks
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 14 @ 1:05 AM ET
Interesting. Now please provide a list of players that didn't make the NHL and were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round. Thx in advance
- CanuckDon

He said etc. etc.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 14 @ 1:06 AM ET
ZERO chance we can get a first round pick at the draft. Zero, none
- CanuckDon

We can say he's as good as Bonino.
VIRTBOHUT
Location: kelowna, BC
Joined: 12.02.2015

Jun 14 @ 1:41 AM ET
I think you're way to attached to a middle six guy who was extremely lucky to be put with the Sedins and have a career year in goals. The guy averages 12 goals a year and he's a good penalty killer....that's all he is!!!!

I'd much prefer to sign another player of his skill-set (http://www.hockeybuzz.com...ap-central/freeagents.php) and take a 2nd round pick to the draft and try to unearth a gem in the second round. It's just good asset management.

- LeftCoaster


In a quiet room, I think Beaker pipes up saying some meaningful s*it, AND then goes out and backs it on the ice. Im stunned that this many folks on this board want to trade away cheap character players because of ONE year of futility in the standings.

Sending out Beaker would be a kneejerk reaction to what was supposed to be a pretty productive year, and send the wrong message to the team.. Do good? And we'll trade your A** for a 2nd rounder..
WhatTheNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 14 @ 1:58 AM ET
In a quiet room, I think Beaker pipes up saying some meaningful s*it, AND then goes out and backs it on the ice. Im stunned that this many folks on this board want to trade away cheap character players because of ONE year of futility in the standings.

Sending out Beaker would be a kneejerk reaction to what was supposed to be a pretty productive year, and send the wrong message to the team.. Do good? And we'll trade your A** for a 2nd rounder..

- VIRTBOHUT


I disagree. The message was clear this year and a youth movement is on the rise. While Hansen is still only 28, his value is highest now. You can predict whatever season you want next year but it won't be higher. That being said what happens if Rodin makes the team which I think Benning expects to happen or be a depth player. You have Virtanen, Dorsett and Etem that can play the right side as well. Let alone Burrows could stay for last year of contract. They are stacked on bottom 6 guys. Hansen is the highest value player of those mentioned. I don't think we should give him away for nothing just for the sake of doing it but if he could be packaged with someone it might be a better return. I think Hansen could help Boston out to some degree and they are also in need of a young defenseman. Hansen and Sbisa for their first and a prospect? Build around that idea and I think it's the scenario that happens IF he is traded. If he doesn't get traded, I just think it's an overloaded bottom six forward roster. How many bottom 6 guys can one team keep and make the playoffs? Maybe Burr is bought out and maybe not but it's not a bad idea to collect on Hansen if the return is decent.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 14 @ 2:03 AM ET
He said etc. etc.
- A_SteamingLombardi

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 14 @ 2:35 AM ET
Boston traded a 2nd and a 4th for 33 year old Lee Stempniak in his ufa year, I would of loved to have gotten that for Hamhuis.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 14 @ 2:56 AM ET
Boston traded a 2nd and a 4th for 33 year old Lee Stempniak in his ufa year, I would of loved to have gotten that for Hamhuis.
- A_SteamingLombardi

You have really endorsed your trolling reputation
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jun 14 @ 3:02 AM ET
You have really endorsed your trolling reputation
- CanuckDon


I embrace this statement.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 14 @ 3:31 AM ET
I embrace this statement.
- dbot

Shut up Hobbit
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 14 @ 4:50 AM ET
If they sign Eriksson and Hansen goes back to to his regular output, which is 99% probable, he'll be worth a fourth rounder.

The time to trade him is now. But, if Benning and company want to compete now, they'll keep him IMO. Personally, I'd explore moving him.

- LeftCoaster



4th now ur getting silly
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 14 @ 4:56 AM ET
I think you're way to attached to a middle six guy who was extremely lucky to be put with the Sedins and have a career year in goals. The guy averages 12 goals a year and he's a good penalty killer....that's all he is!!!!

I'd much prefer to sign another player of his skill-set (http://www.hockeybuzz.com...ap-central/freeagents.php) and take a 2nd round pick to the draft and try to unearth a gem in the second round. It's just good asset management.

- LeftCoaster


The odds of 2nd rounder amounting anything close to Hansen is slim to none.
That is POOR asset management. TDL is the best time unless a team offers a crazy deal this offseason. That is highly unlikely though. A mid 1st isn't reality now with the currency usually being a 2nd. That is not bigh value regardless of 22 goals or 15.
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