Was there nothing on 1040 today that Vantel can promote?
- A_SteamingLombardi

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/team/vancouver-canucks

it appears nothing since last Thursday. or they haven't been updating their site.

What makes you so sure he can achieve a higher value? I like Hansen but he may be at an all time high which is why trading now is better in terms of value. Cannot predict next season..
- WhatTheNuck

Why trade a 15-20 goal scorer who earns $2.5 million? We will recover a second round pick that has an extremely low chance of ever becoming close to Hansen in ability. It's just not worth it

Was there nothing on 1040 today that Vantel can promote?
- A_SteamingLombardi

i listened for about 10 mins last week to the afternoon show. donny and bmac bring up some news story about ellen degeneres is being sued. apparently, ellen on her show said while driving that she saw a realtor's sign. the realtor had a funny name. something like "titties," or something equally juvenile. nothing outrageous. something you giggle at and move on.

so the realtor gets all offended and sues. USA! USA! USA!

anyway, so moj comes on and starts defending the woman for suing ellen. seriously, an impassioned defense of why this woman should sue. names are important. you don't know her history etc.

so, the moral of the story? these guys aren't just dumb about sports!

Why trade a 15-20 goal scorer who earns $2.5 million? We will recover a second round pick that has an extremely low chance of ever becoming close to Hansen in ability. It's just not worth it
- CanuckDon

because we aren't trying to compete for the cup - we are wasting his prime years when we could fetch something for him! I agree with people on the trade hansen front. Different if we were a contender. We aren't.

i listened for about 10 mins last week to the afternoon show. donny and bmac bring up some news story about ellen degeneres is being sued. apparently, ellen on her show said while driving that she saw a realtor's sign. the realtor had a funny name. something like "titties," or something equally juvenile. nothing outrageous. something you giggle at and move on.

so the realtor gets all offended and sues. USA! USA! USA!

anyway, so moj comes on and starts defending the woman for suing ellen. seriously, an impassioned defense of why this woman should sue. names are important. you don't know her history etc.

so, the moral of the story? these guys aren't just dumb about sports!
- RealityChecker

You'd think Vantel would be all over titties.

You'd think Vantel would be all over titties.
- A_SteamingLombardi

because we aren't trying to compete for the cup - we are wasting his prime years when we could fetch something for him! I agree with people on the trade hansen front. Different if we were a contender. We aren't.
- anavar

The Canucks need somebody to score. You can't gut your entire roster because we aren't a "contender." (frank) second round picks. He is cheap, a great leader and he provides speed and offense

Edit. I have no problem with trading Hansen while is value is at his highest point but he is worth more to the organization than a 15% lottery ticket. I think the idea is fairly short sighted (ironic I know)

The Canucks need somebody to score. You can't gut your entire roster because we aren't a "contender." (frank) second round picks. He is cheap, a great leader and he provides speed and offense
- CanuckDon

We aren't talking about the entire team, you are over exaggerating. No one is suggesting that. We are talking about maximizing the return on a player who had a career year, will likely regress next year where we will end up having this exact same convo.

Edit. I have no problem with trading Hansen while is value is at his highest point but he is worth more to the organization than a 15% lottery ticket. I think the idea is fairly short sighted (ironic I know)
The way I see it, two scenarios
1) Keep Hansen, no pick or anything - For a chance to finish a bit better in the standings. Realistically best case scenario ?? 8th? Realistically? I can't see that but if we survive the injury bug, Gud and Hutton have a big year together... We sign E for the sedins, okay maybe 8th. Realistically I see 9 or 10th in the west.
2) trade hansen for a 1st or a lower second - finish 12?

To me it seems like we end at the same spot basically but one with more picks.

Why trade a 15-20 goal scorer who earns $2.5 million? We will recover a second round pick that has an extremely low chance of ever becoming close to Hansen in ability. It's just not worth it
- CanuckDon

I would for a 1st. Not a 2nd at this stage.
May as well hold onto him until TDL

I would for a 1st. Not a 2nd at this stage.
May as well hold onto him until TDL
- dbot

Exactly , perhaps at the TDl

We aren't talking about the entire team, you are over exaggerating. No one is suggesting that. We are talking about maximizing the return on a player who had a career year, will likely regress next year where we will end up having this exact same convo.

Edit. I have no problem with trading Hansen while is value is at his highest point but he is worth more to the organization than a 15% lottery ticket. I think the idea is fairly short sighted (ironic I know)
The way I see it, two scenarios
1) Keep Hansen, no pick or anything - For a chance to finish a bit better in the standings. Realistically best case scenario ?? 8th? Realistically? I can't see that but if we survive the injury bug, Gud and Hutton have a big year together... We sign E for the sedins, okay maybe 8th. Realistically I see 9 or 10th in the west.
2) trade hansen for a 1st or a lower second - finish 12?

To me it seems like we end at the same spot basically but one with more picks.


- anavar

I wish I had access to your crystal ball. Mcginn got a 3rd round pick at the deadline and people want to dump Hansen and rush to sign Mcginn? I think his trade value is being over valued like always on hockey buzz

I would for a 1st. Not a 2nd at this stage.
May as well hold onto him until TDL
- dbot

Not sure that's the way to go. The time to maximize Hansens' value is right now. Chances are Eriksson will be here to play with the Sedins (or someone else) and Hansen is back to utility third line duties where he may get 12-15 goals per season. To be quite honest while Hansen is a super utility guy I'm willing to bet he is not in JB's long term plans. Trying to think 4-5 years down the road here. Maximize his value now and move on…or we will be having the Burrows conversations all over again in a few seasons.

I wish I had access to your crystal ball. Mcginn got a 3rd round pick at the deadline and people want to dump Hansen and rush to sign Mcginn? I think his trade value is being over valued like always on hockey buzz
- CanuckDon

my crystal ball is a little rose coloured, better than the doo doo brown coloured ones I see around here.

Why trade a 15-20 goal scorer who earns $2.5 million? We will recover a second round pick that has an extremely low chance of ever becoming close to Hansen in ability. It's just not worth it
- CanuckDon

My take exactly again.
TDL bait if only a great offer i figure

A 2nd is nothing special

Not sure that's the way to go. The time to maximize Hansens' value is right now. Chances are Eriksson will be here to play with the Sedins (or someone else) and Hansen is back to utility third line duties where he may get 12-15 goals per season. To be quite honest while Hansen is a super utility guy I'm willing to bet he is not in JB's long term plans. Trying to think 4-5 years down the road here. Maximize his value now and move on…or we will be having the Burrows conversations all over again in a few seasons.
- LordHumungous

max value is always at the TDL.

i, for one, hope he fetches twice as much as what hamhuis got.

max value is always at the TDL.

i, for one, hope he fetches twice as much as what hamhuis got.
- RealityChecker

2-2nds or a 1st is my price or a top prospect
No need to jettison him in a panic mode.

2-2nds or a 1st is my price or a top prospect
- Nighthawk

ahhh, you're expecting exactly what hamhuis got.

ahhh, you're expecting exactly what hamhuis got.
- RealityChecker

2 teams to be traded 2 only.
Apples n Oranges

Limited NTC n gives teams at start of season

A 2nd is nothing special
- Nighthawk

Tell that to the people that want to tar and feather benning

2 teams to be traded 2 only.
Apples n Oranges

Limited NTC n gives teams at start of season
- Nighthawk

you and i have differing opinions on hansen's' value obviously. he's a good utility player but he is a diminishing asset much like several players that benning held onto (for differing reasons.)

i think his value is best right now b/c of this past season's totals, his contract and the fact that teams are going to be setting their payroll in the off season.

b/c of his good contract, a team can acquire him now and then theoretically have money to spend elsewhere. they can save money here to be able to use it elsewhere. think pittsburgh and why they traded for bonino. they got a utility pivot but it allowed them to use cap elsewhere.

you can wait until TDL but i'm not of the opinion that the offers would increase. they certainly may, but i'd rather take the best deal now.

Tell that to the people that want to tar and feather benning
- anavar

what has benning ever been able to do with 2nd round picks? the only one he's used isn't even playing on the team. pffffft. 2nd round picks are nothing!

you and i have differing opinions on higgins' value obviously. he's a good utility player but he is a diminishing asset much like several players that benning held onto (for differing reasons.)

i think his value is best right now b/c of this past season's totals, his contract and the fact that teams are going to be setting their payroll in the off season.

b/c of his good contract, a team can acquire him now and then theoretically have money to spend elsewhere. they can save money here to be able to use it elsewhere. think pittsburgh and why they traded for bonino. they got a utility pivot but it allowed them to use cap elsewhere.

you can wait until TDL but i'm not of the opinion that the offers would increase. they certainly may, but i'd rather take the best deal now.
- RealityChecker

Higgins?

what has benning ever been able to do with 2nd round picks? the only one he's used isn't even playing on the team. pffffft. 2nd round picks are nothing!
- RealityChecker

what has benning ever been able to do with 2nd round picks? the only one he's used isn't even playing on the team. pffffft. 2nd round picks are nothing!
- RealityChecker

2nds r nothing special but good tradeable assets in a package.

Higgins?
- Nighthawk

my opinion on higgins and burrows: certainly in the twilight of their careers and don't do a heck of a lot to help the canucks win. while i think they still have use, i'm not sure that they have any trade value. therefore i am of the opinion that it's best to keep them and allow their contracts to expire. no need to have even more dead cap space with buyouts.

anyway, keep the cap space and use that to your advantage. i would be asking detroit what they would offer to take datsyuk's contract. also, there's going to be decent players available when teams are over the cap. this year and next.

mind you, this is based on my opinion that this is not a playoff team and is a true rebuilding team. that doesn't seem to be a popular opinion on this thread these days.