I'm just saying it's a lot of pressure for A top 10 defenseman pick because if he's a Bust you basically wasted an opportunity to help your franchise when it's safer to draft one in the second round

Would you be more pissed if a defenseman was a top 10 draft choice and he busted or would you be pissed if he was a second round pick and he busted
- GERBE!!!75PTS

But again, find and list all of the top pairing d-men (quality, could be a #3 on some team if they have great 1 and 2) across the NHL and find out how many were longshot draft picks in the last 10 years (non-1st round picks).

I just don't know that your #s will add up, especially when compared to the % of players selected after round 1 vs how many hit.


BTW, the number was 19. 19 d-men in that had the top 30 qualifying # of points this past season were picked in round 1 or 2. 13 of those were 1st rounders

Draft picks are kind of funny math though, in a way.

A #2 overall is usually thought to be a lock, someone who has a chance to come in right away and will be a regular NHLer for years to come.

Factor that down to an 8th pick and yeah, you obviously hope he's playing for your team over the next 10 years, but I don't think 8th overalls are often considered locks to play all that quickly.

Reinhart as a #2 overall took a season away from the NHL - I would think 2 years (perhaps the max it might take?) for this Keller guy isn't unreasonable considering it that way.
- stashu

Keller is 17 and is committed to Boston University where he will play next season most likely. I don't like the idea of not having him for too long if drafted at #8. Maybe a 1 and done but who knows. He seems like a natural center at least in terms of passing and style of play but we don't exactly need another center... they never hurt though.

I'm just saying it's a lot of pressure for A top 10 defenseman pick because if he's a Bust you basically wasted an opportunity to help your franchise when it's safer to draft one in the second round

Would you be more pissed if a defenseman was a top 10 draft choice and he busted or would you be pissed if he was a second round pick and he busted
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Bogo is a perfect example . I never would have picked him.

Its not about the height - its about the sturdiness. Granted, many of the players you name are not Holstein's either, but all but one is sturdier than Keller. (I know he will grow into his frame - I just don't want to spend a first round draft on a guy I have to wait for. I want much more immediate contribution from a first rounder.)
- Der Kaiser

I'm all for it too Kaiser, but whom are we taking at #8 then that plays with us this year. Reinhart even went back to the OHL for a year and there were a ton of people predicting Rochester for him for another year. And he went #2 overall. The development time is no more for Keller than any of these guys at #8, except maybe for Serg, and GMTM isn't taking Serg.

Keller is 17 and is committed to Boston University where he will play next season most likely. I don't like the idea of not having him for too long if drafted at #8. Maybe a 1 and done but who knows. He seems like a natural center at least in terms of passing and style of play but we don't exactly need another center... they never hurt though.
- JVince11

So as I mentioned, if he stays out of the NHL for 2 seasons, he's STILL only 19 and has had twice as long with some direction from Buffalo as Reinhart did to work on his body. Sounds like a damn good deal if he's overall as good as people are talking about him.

Keller is 17 and is committed to Boston University where he will play next season most likely. I don't like the idea of not having him for too long if drafted at #8. Maybe a 1 and done but who knows. He seems like a natural center at least in terms of passing and style of play but we don't exactly need another center... they never hurt though.
- JVince11

He plays better at LW than center. Now, maybe we need RWers more right now than LWers; that's a legit argument if true. One of the reason I really like Dubois is he can play either wing or Center.

The hate is running through me.....

he went to Shattuck St. Mary's too.

Had 14 pts in 7 games at the WJC-18 too.

I can't figure out why the USDP only had him play in the USHL for 23 and then 37 games for in those 2 years.


Tempting.... very tempting.
- JVince11

I got one more Hail Mary up my sleeve to turn you Lol
I got you on the Gus bandwagon I can do this
http://thehockeywriters.c...6-draft-prospect-profile/

I'm all for it too Kaiser, but whom are we taking at #8 then that plays with us this year. Reinhart even went back to the OHL for a year and there were a ton of people predicting Rochester for him for another year. And he went #2 overall. The development time is no more for Keller than any of these guys at #8, except maybe for Serg, and GMTM isn't taking Serg.
- turbo044

We have more options available.

I love me some Murrency, especially this year.

Homie doesn't get a vote now he hasn't seen sandlot
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Your balls haven't dropped so let the adults say who does and who doesn't have a vote......

Bogo is a perfect example . I never would have picked him.
- cabin

Luke Shenn if he was a late round first pick or 2nd good value

He plays better at LW than center. Now, maybe we need RWers more right now than LWers; that's a legit argument if true. One of the reason I really like Dubois is he can play either wing or Center.
- turbo044

I don't think it's an argument at all... we need more top 6 quality LWers than anything else right now.

I know folks have said that Ennis can play both but right now Kane is our only legit LW.

Luke Shenn if he was a late round first pick or 2nd good value
- GERBE!!!75PTS

He was a #12 pick I believe.

Your balls haven't dropped so let the adults say who does and who doesn't have a vote......
- dadeadhead

He was asked a direct question about Nylander and the draft at the Flames year end season ticket holder fundraiser, said it in front of 100s of people.
- BigStew

Can't find it anywhere online... Not doubting you but don't see it...

Even if he did say it could be smokescreen.

He was a #12 pick I believe.
- JVince11

5th

5th
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Bogo 2nd?

Gerbe might have done it...

I kind of want Clayton Keller now....




(only problem is that he wears #19)

Bogo 2nd?
- cabin

I think he was 3rd ..

jump on the Connor Keller Bandwagon he's not too small Johnny Hockey Jonny Drouin Danny Briere LETS GO!
- Der Kaiser

Let's eat Grandma

Let's eat, grandma.

Punctuation does matter, just ask Grandma.

I think he was 3rd ..
- GERBE!!!75PTS

3rd in the draft of the defensman.

12 of 30 picks in the 1st were d-men.

Yeah, hockeydb doesn't track that one, I fell into that hole when people were bragging about Matthews. Forgot where I found the data though.
- stashu

Yeah, I am looking at the eliteprospects now.

The USDP teams play a ton of different teams throughout the year. Those point totals are something I would be cautious of. Just because of who they are playing.

The USHL team is the one that I would look at the most.

Gerbe might have done it...

I kind of want Clayton Keller now....




(only problem is that he wears #19)
- JVince11

I knew it .. some people want to trade back 2 spots just to draft him 10 just take him at eight Jesus .. If he keeps moving up in the rankings I'm afraid Calgary's going to take him

him and Johnny hockey together

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/armchair-gm/edit/123594

Not really that realistic but I had fun with making it and wanted to be a bit outside the box.

Yeah, I am looking at the eliteprospects now.

The USDP teams play a ton of different teams throughout the year. Those point totals are something I would be cautious of. Just because of who they are playing.

The USHL team is the one that I would look at the most.
- Stripes77

Totally agree that the level of competition might not be the same but his total numbers are better than Eichel and Matthews who have played there recently.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/123594

Not really that realistic but I had fun with making it and wanted to be a bit outside the box.
- bluengold12

Link doesn't work.... screen shot it bud.