Agreed. He has been the info geek on them from the start. I find it amusing the way he falls for players like a kid waiting for the sunday toy sale ads at xmas time .
- cabin

I've spent a lot of time watching video of the top 15 prospects (long train commute to work will do that). Video's not the end all but, here's what I've seen:

Chychrun - I would not touch - checks most of the boxes, but, his decision making is atrocious. Seems to panick under pressure.

Tkackuk - hard to judge as I could score 50 points playing with Marner, but he was the best player in the OHL playoffs and Mem Cup. I'd have no issue trading up and taking him at #4. His skating isn't as bad as some say

Fin Dman (last name starts with J); elite hockey IQ - never makes a mistake. Not flashy either, reminds me of Pysyk with more offense. I just wish he'd hit somebody once in a while

Serg- my choice if we're taken a Dman. Great hockey IQ, better shot than the other 2 and is a beast at 225 pounds.

Keller - my choice at #8. If you watch even a minute of film on him, he's a step ahead of everyone, speed wise and IQ wise. Still has room to grow, came in at 5'10" at combine. Is two years away. My guess is GMTM does not take him and we will regret it.

Nylander - similar to Keller, a little bigger and not as good. Also, won't go in the dirty areas like Keller will. The most perimeter player I've ever seen on film. Great great shot, great quickness.

Dubois - My 2nd choice at #8 if by some way he fell to us, probably won't. I'd have no problem trading up to #5 to grab him. Big, tough, talented, better skater than Tkachuk. don't assume if GMTM trades up to #4 that it's for Tkachuk, could be for him.

Do you ever research these things, or is this something you just came up with as a catch phrase one day and stuck with and through repetition it's become fact to you?

I'm not saying there aren't good d-men in the 2nd or later, but I've just gone back and looked at all drafts from 2006-2013 (anything more recent is too small a sample size) and the overwhelming number of better defensemen are in the 1st round - kind of obvious I'd hope...but the way you throw this phrase out there makes me think you are under the impression that top pairing d-men around the league are equally found after the 1st as in the 1st.

For every Subban/Faulk type that you find in the 2nd or later rounds, there are probably 4-5 d-men drafted in the first round that are such safer bets at being the type of d-man to play on a team for a long time and succeed.

Look through these same drafts and count the number of very good or better d-men drafted Round 2 and later and tell me who you come up with and I'll do the work to compare who is found in round 1 and we'll see if it's worth avoiding taking a shot at what should be the better talent.
- stashu

There are tons of defenseman that are late round picks in the second round to last
Like I said franchise defenseman's -All-Star defenseman's -solid defenseman

You list PK , Faulk .. I give you Weber , Dustin Buf ,kris letang ,kevin bieksa , Duncan Keith, klingberg ,roman josi , Tyson Barrie, Keith Yandle, TJ Brodie ,vlasic, vatanen, Jake Muzzin, etc

Then you have parayko, gostisehere

That's why I hate drafting defenseman in the top 10

I can guarantee you there are more late round picks in the top 30 then first round picks that are top 10

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There are tons of defenseman that are late round picks in the second round to last
Like I said franchise defenseman's -All-Star defenseman's -solid defenseman

You list PK , Faulk .. I give you Weber , Dustin Buf ,kris letang ,kevin bieksa , Duncan Keith, klingberg ,roman josi , Tyson Barrie, Keith Yandle, TJ Brodie ,vlasic, vatanen, Jake Muzzin, etc

Then you have parayko, gostisehere

That's why I hate drafting defenseman in the top 10

I can guarantee you there are more late round picks in the top 30 then first round picks that are top 10
- GERBE!!!75PTS

The only dman I take at #8 is Serg and we know how GMTM is with Russians.....

Thank you for gracing us with Some sanity !



- Maximum Signal

I thought I'd try my best.

I've spent a lot of time watching video of the top 15 prospects (long train commute to work will do that). Video's not the end all but, here's what I've seen:

Chychrun - I would not touch - checks most of the boxes, but, his decision making is atrocious. Seems to panick under pressure.

Tkackuk - hard to judge as I could score 50 points playing with Marner, but he was the best player in the OHL playoffs and Mem Cup. I'd have no issue trading up and taking him at #4. His skating isn't as bad as some say

Fin Dman (last name starts with J); elite hockey IQ - never makes a mistake. Not flashy either, reminds me of Pysyk with more offense. I just wish he'd hit somebody once in a while

Serg- my choice if we're taken a Dman. Great hockey IQ, better shot than the other 2 and is a beast at 225 pounds.

Keller - my choice at #8. If you watch even a minute of film on him, he's a step ahead of everyone, speed wise and IQ wise. Still has room to grow, came in at 5'10" at combine. Is two years away. My guess is GMTM does not take him and we will regret it.

Nylander - similar to Keller, a little bigger and not as good. Also, won't go in the dirty areas like Keller will. The most perimeter player I've ever seen on film. Great great shot, great quickness.

Dubois - My 2nd choice at #8 if by some way he fell to us, probably won't. I'd have no problem trading up to #5 to grab him. Big, tough, talented, better skater than Tkachuk. don't assume if GMTM trades up to #4 that it's for Tkachuk, could be for him.
- turbo044

Thanks for the info Turbo. Much appreciated .

I thought I'd try my best.
- JVince11

I missed you ..

Are you going to join me on the Clayton Keller bandwagon we need more

There are tons of defenseman that are late round picks in the second round to last
Like I said franchise defenseman's -All-Star defenseman's -solid defenseman

You list PK , Faulk .. I give you Weber , Dustin Buf ,kris letang ,kevin bieksa , Duncan Keith, klingberg ,roman josi , Tyson Barrie, Keith Yandle, TJ Brodie ,vlasic, vatanen, Jake Muzzin, etc

Then you have parayko, gostisehere

That's why I hate drafting defenseman in the top 10

I can guarantee you there are more late round picks in the top 30 then first round picks that are top 10
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I know I didn't run into Keith with what I looked through, though some of those other names ring familiar from me seeing them, but since I was looking through 8 of the last 10 drafts, the numbers are skewed less in the direction you seem to think they are.

Scouting has gotten much better and those late round guys aren't sticking out nearly as much as they used to.

As for your "guarantee", I may have to look into that one when I need more time to kill at work.

Mike Hoffman?

Mike Hoffman.

The only dman I take at #8 is Serg and we know how GMTM is with Russians.....
- turbo044

I know it sounds completely dumb but drafting a defenseman in the top 10 is like drafting a running back in the first round for me you can get plenty of great ones in the late rounds

He does, but unlike 75% of this board (including me for some of them) he actually has spent time watching them play.

I value his opinion on some prospects.
- sbroads24

I like to watch youtube too.

I missed you ..

Are you going to join me on the Clayton Keller bandwagon we need more
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I always look for your opinoin on kids... no doubt about that... but I don't want anything to do with Keller. That was the point of my post. At #8... a 24 and 37 pt USHL seasons is not worth it. Girgensons showed better numbers than that in the USHL.

Sorry... I'm Team... "I'm okay with any DMan or Nylander/DuBois/Tkachuk or trading the pick too" squad?

I like to watch youtube too.
- dadeadhead

Seems to be a bunch of those vertical sloppy Josephine's on there.

Be picky.

Mike Hoffman?

Mike Hoffman.
- Sabresfan-365

Need some Hoff in my life.

Need some Hoff in my life.
- JVince11

Late night floor snack ?

I really fail to see the fascination with Keller. How is a 24 and a 37 pt USHL seasons worthy of a top 10 pick???

Any of Juolevi, Chychrun, or Sergechev... or Nylander. if one of the other wingers fall then them too.

I don't want ANYTHING to do with Brown, Keller, Bean, or Jost at #8.
- JVince11

He had the second highest point total for the NTDP since Austin Matthews...Thats more than Eichel


U.S. National U18 Team:
Keller 106 points
Matthews 117 points
Eichel 87 points

I like to watch youtube too.
- dadeadhead

So do I.

I know it sounds completely dumb but drafting a defenseman in the top 10 is like drafting a running back in the first round for me you can get plenty of great ones in the late rounds
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Worked with Risto for us, but, there's no Risto or Ekblad in this draft. There's elite forwards in this one, and you shouldn't draft a LHD just cuz you need a LHD. Unless we trade up to get Dubois/Tkachuk/Fin Forwards, the player at #8 isn't paling for us until 2018 anyway, and the structure of the team could have totally changes. Get your LHD UFA or trade and draft Keller. GMTM won't draft Keller though

He had the second highest point total for the NTDP since Austin Matthews...Thats more than Eichel


U.S. National U18 Team:
Keller 106 points
Matthews 117 points
Eichel 87 points
- MCGUIZZY

I don't see how that's possible for someone under 6'2

I know I didn't run into Keith with what I looked through, though some of those other names ring familiar from me seeing them, but since I was looking through 8 of the last 10 drafts, the numbers are skewed less in the direction you seem to think they are.

Scouting has gotten much better and those late round guys aren't sticking out nearly as much as they used to.

As for your "guarantee", I may have to look into that one when I need more time to kill at work.
- stashu

The most recent ones are Klingberg, ghost , parayko

Oh i'm sure when you look you'll say (frank) lol

He had the second highest point total for the NTDP since Austin Matthews...Thats more than Eichel


U.S. National U18 Team:
Keller 106 points
Matthews 117 points
Eichel 87 points
- MCGUIZZY

Yep and watch him in the U18 tournament vs Chychrun. dominating.

He had the second highest point total for the NTDP since Austin Matthews...Thats more than Eichel


U.S. National U18 Team:
Keller 106 points
Matthews 117 points
Eichel 87 points
- MCGUIZZY

Serious question where are you getting these numbers? Hockeydb has his point totals on the U18 team as 50 points?

He had the second highest point total for the NTDP since Austin Matthews...Thats more than Eichel


U.S. National U18 Team:
Keller 106 points
Matthews 117 points
Eichel 87 points
- MCGUIZZY

Jeremy Bracco had more than Eichel too.

The most recent ones are Klingberg, ghost , parayko

Oh i'm sure when you look you'll say (frank) lol
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Eh, who are the top 5-10 D in the league?

Karlsson- 1st rounder
Hedman- 2nd overall
Doughty- 2nd overall
Keith- 2nd rounder
Subban- 2nd rounder
Ekman-Larsson - 6th overall
Lindholm- 6th overall