I agree that you have to do something there. You can't lose one of them for nothing. But is it better to move Fleury at the draft when teams will pay bigger for the ability to have him start the season with them or do you temper that with the fact that you may be jumping the gun, hold onto both and move one of them at the trade deadline at a possible reduced cost while also protecting you team from the chance Murray can't pull the wagon 82 games.
- mayorofangrytown

i would definitely love to have fleury around, because regardless of murrays success, fleury can still get it done in this league and you can never have enough goalie depth. if it wasnt for fleury being a hero for hte first half of the season the pens never make the postseason.

but i just worry about the deadline hitting and everyone closing up shop on them and not being able to move him at all. basically im just not willing to risk losing murray for nothing in any scenario.

i honestly dont even expect a lot back for fleury now. if calgary sent over the pair of their last 2 second rounders i'd do a backflip. at the end of the day i'd even settle for just one. it sucks. but thats the way the cookie is crumbling with this expansion draft.

i would definitely love to have fleury around, because regardless of murrays success, fleury can still get it done in this league and you can never have enough goalie depth. if it wasnt for fleury being a hero for hte first half of the season the pens never make the postseason.

but i just worry about the deadline hitting and everyone closing up shop on them and not being able to move him at all. basically im just not willing to risk losing murray for nothing in any scenario.

i honestly dont even expect a lot back for fleury now. if calgary sent over the pair of their last 2 second rounders i'd do a backflip. at the end of the day i'd even settle for just one. it sucks. but thats the way the cookie is crumbling with this expansion draft.
- stayinthefnnet

I'd be willing to wait it out and see if this kid is really as spectacular as he played. History suggests he's not. That's not saying he's a scrub and won't be good, but imho it's way too early to toss Fleury aside.

i would definitely love to have fleury around, because regardless of murrays success, fleury can still get it done in this league and you can never have enough goalie depth. if it wasnt for fleury being a hero for hte first half of the season the pens never make the postseason.

but i just worry about the deadline hitting and everyone closing up shop on them and not being able to move him at all. basically im just not willing to risk losing murray for nothing in any scenario.

i honestly dont even expect a lot back for fleury now. if calgary sent over the pair of their last 2 second rounders i'd do a backflip. at the end of the day i'd even settle for just one. it sucks. but thats the way the cookie is crumbling with this expansion draft.
- stayinthefnnet

i would definitely love to have fleury around, because regardless of murrays success, fleury can still get it done in this league and you can never have enough goalie depth. if it wasnt for fleury being a hero for hte first half of the season the pens never make the postseason.

but i just worry about the deadline hitting and everyone closing up shop on them and not being able to move him at all. basically im just not willing to risk losing murray for nothing in any scenario.

i honestly dont even expect a lot back for fleury now. if calgary sent over the pair of their last 2 second rounders i'd do a backflip. at the end of the day i'd even settle for just one. it sucks. but thats the way the cookie is crumbling with this expansion draft.
- stayinthefnnet

They could buy him out or hope Murray sucks this year

i would definitely love to have fleury around, because regardless of murrays success, fleury can still get it done in this league and you can never have enough goalie depth. if it wasnt for fleury being a hero for hte first half of the season the pens never make the postseason.

but i just worry about the deadline hitting and everyone closing up shop on them and not being able to move him at all. basically im just not willing to risk losing murray for nothing in any scenario.

i honestly dont even expect a lot back for fleury now. if calgary sent over the pair of their last 2 second rounders i'd do a backflip. at the end of the day i'd even settle for just one. it sucks. but thats the way the cookie is crumbling with this expansion draft.
- stayinthefnnet

You'll get something at the draft if not before if that's what they decide to do. I wouldn't fret the return as much as I would the timing.

I'd be willing to wait it out and see if this kid is really as spectacular as he played. History suggests he's not. That's not saying he's a scrub and won't be good, but imho it's way too early to toss Fleury aside.
- Scoob

Fernando Pisani

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Hexy says all of the Flyers' assistants will return for next season.
- Marc D

Not surprising. They took that roster to a playoff birth.

hope Murray sucks this year
- YuenglingJagr

If they trade Fleury now, that's where I'll be. lol

Not surprising. They took that roster to a playoff birth.
- MBFlyerfan

I couldn't be less enthused about them bringing that group back.

Not surprising. They took that roster to a playoff birth.
- MBFlyerfan

The PP says hi.

Not surprising. They took that roster to a playoff birth.
- MBFlyerfan

in b4 moanoke

I'd be willing to wait it out and see if this kid is really as spectacular as he played. History suggests he's not. That's not saying he's a scrub and won't be good, but imho it's way too early to toss Fleury aside.
- Scoob

im not anointing him as the next carey price or anything. but i think the odds are very good that he is at least a league average goaltender with the potential for more. its not as if he totally came from no where. he was easily the AHL's best goaltender for a big sample size. not necessarily saying that is dispositive, but overall i am comfortable in projecting him to at least be average. whether he capitalizes on his potential to be more remains to be seen, but its still there.

if there was no expansion draft, i'd be right there with you. then when you add in the cap factor, its hard. there is risk in both paths. risks if they trade fleury, for the reasons you stated. and risk if they sit on their hands and ride out both until they are eventually forced into a move.

moving fleury now allows the team to be proactive and make a decision without having one made for them, largely solves any cap issue (which if they don't move fleury, looms as an issue) and can hopefully add even a minimal bit of assets into the coffer.

Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 30s30 seconds ago
Hexy says all of the Flyers' assistants will return for next season.
- Marc D

in b4 moanoke
- YuenglingJagr

- Mononoke

who would have been the one guy you would have axed?

mullen or lappy?

The PP says hi.
- Scoob

Not saying adjustments don't need to be made but it was still above the league average. The PK is where an overhaul is needed.

Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 30s30 seconds ago
Hexy says all of the Flyers' assistants will return for next season.
- Marc D

im not anointing him as the next carey price or anything. but i think the odds are very good that he is at least a league average goaltender with the potential for more. its not as if he totally came from no where. he was easily the AHL's best goaltender for a big sample size. not necessarily saying that is dispositive, but overall i am comfortable in projecting him to at least be average. whether he capitalizes on his potential to be more remains to be seen, but its still there.

if there was no expansion draft, i'd be right there with you. then when you add in the cap factor, its hard. there is risk in both paths. risks if they trade fleury, for the reasons you stated. and risk if they sit on their hands and ride out both until they are eventually forced into a move.

moving fleury now allows the team to be proactive and make a decision without having one made for them, largely solves any cap issue (which if they don't move fleury, looms as an issue) and can hopefully add even a minimal bit of assets into the coffer.
- stayinthefnnet

this reminds me of another goalie who took the league by storm as a rookie after dominating at the lower levels. he didnt win a cup but he did play for a dogpoop team.

The PP says hi.
- Scoob

That definitely is a concern. But Mullen also coached the PP when it was one of the better ones in the league. You can only do so much with the pieces you are given. Same with Lappy and the penalty kill.

I will add that the leashes will be probably be pretty short.

That definitely is a concern. But Mullen also coached the PP when it was one of the better ones in the league. You can only do so much with the pieces you are given. Same with Lappy and the penalty kill.

I will add that the leashes will be probably be pretty short.
- MBFlyerfan

Why was Raffl not utilized on the PK. The Austrian army knife that he supposedly is...

- Mononoke

that was close

who would have been the one guy you would have axed?

mullen or lappy?
- sjk540

Lappy.

I will give Mullen the benefit of the doubt after many years of success. Season averages and shot generation were OK, but the unit has become laughably old. It was down the stretch and playoffs that concerned me. The book is out how to shut them down. That isn't going to get better. But he needs to overhaul it. And maybe he can. To be fair, it's been an amazing PP for a long time and that was something new.

Lappy has 2 years of poor personnel decisions and awful strategy with no long track record to boast of. Yes, the personnel could improve, but a good PK unit isn't rocket science. I hate how he strategizes it with his ultra passiveness shot blocking. His inability to SEE it wasn't working only exacerbates it.

Why was Raffl not utilized on the PK. The Austrian army knife that he supposedly is...
- Just5

i feel like he could be a decent PK guy. has some speed. could pressure the points and rebound to get in lanes.

That definitely is a concern. But Mullen also coached the PP when it was one of the better ones in the league. You can only do so much with the pieces you are given. Same with Lappy and the penalty kill.

I will add that the leashes will be probably be pretty short.
- MBFlyerfan

Mullen should be on the hot seat and Lappy should be gone. I'm not thrilled about this

that was close
- YuenglingJagr

I hadn't posted today. It seemed like a safe bet on your part. But not as safe as you thought.