I really don't see an issue with a $5.1 million cap hit
- Stripes77

petry makes 5.5 per and I think bogo is a better player

Call me overly realistic but I believe what you see is what you get. He'll miss 15 games a year per on avg. Make plenty of mistakes in defensive coverage that will make you want to pull your hair out, make a few nice hits once in a while and will stick up for teammates and will also go on a few nice hot streaks with finding the net on the 2nd PP unit. Is that worth 5 million a year for 3 or 4 more seasons he has left? I don't really think so. No. Also if he regresses we're stuck with him.
- bluengold12

Defensemen don't hit their stride until their mid 20's...

can you name 5 guys up front we need to protect?


ror, stamkos, kane and ...........................


if we have 4 great d men, I am ok exposing larsson, girgens, foligno, stink, stank and stunk

plus from what I read, we do not have to protect moulson, only bogo
- homiedclown

RoR, Kane for sure. You'd assume the very least we get 1 guy this year who will be a 100% protected. Hopefully if I have it my way we get at least two guys we'd like to protect.

If Ennis comes back to his usual 20 goal pace he's an obvious protection. You'd have to think then it comes down to Girgensons and Foligno should neither be traded which I think isn't likely. If they are for some reason both on the team then you pick which one had the better year keep him and trade the other

can you name 5 guys up front we need to protect?


ror, stamkos, kane and ...........................


if we have 4 great d men, I am ok exposing larsson, girgens, foligno, stink, stank and stunk

plus from what I read, we do not have to protect moulson, only bogo
- homiedclown

This....

Again if you want to find a better option than Bogo in the top 4 go ahead and look but you're not going to get that without giving up a ton of assets...

petry makes 5.5 per and I think bogo is a better player
- homiedclown

Nope Bogo is the worst...

Defensemen don't hit their stride until their mid 20's...
- Stripes77

This is a generalized statement.....

He's playing better then Bogosian
- bluengold12

not sure about that

myers only has 11 more points in nhl since the trade

bogo is much better in his own end


bogo brings the heavy like myers was suppose to do and instead shys away from


moving forward, the team needs a bogo in the top 4, I am willing to upgrade him to a better bruiser in our own end of course

Defensemen don't hit their stride until their mid 20's...
- Stripes77

but yandle stinks at 29 years old, even though he is one of the fastest d men in the game

This is a generalized statement.....
- bluengold12

Ask any scout and they will pretty much give you the same information.

Sure their are exceptions to the rule, but playing defense in the NHL is not something that you just come into the league and be good at.

petry makes 5.5 per and I think bogo is a better player
- homiedclown

He's not though. Petry had a lot better underlying numbers

but yandle stinks at 29 years old, even though he is one of the fastest d men in the game



- homiedclown

Everyone has gotten scared of the Brad Richards and Matt Moulson contracts forgetting they play a much different position.

not sure about that

myers only has 11 more points in nhl since the trade

bogo is much better in his own end


bogo brings the heavy like myers was suppose to do and instead shys away from


moving forward, the team needs a bogo in the top 4, I am willing to upgrade him to a better bruiser in our own end of course
- homiedclown

I hadn't scene worst defensive coverage lapses watching Bogosian last year then when John Scott was on the team

if we lost an often injured player who peaks at 20 goals if he plays 80 games


or we lost a player that refuses to play the coaches game

or we lost a player who never turns the corner but we keep him because his dad was a great sabre


but we have 4 solid d men and guhle, nelson and pick 8 in the pipeline

I think we would be ok


sign a few guys for 1 year deals to round out the roster and pack the bags for an under achiever up front in 13 months

He's not though. Petry had a lot better underlying numbers
- sbroads24

this is funny because edmonton had no desire to bring him back long term but now we are to expect they like bogo


this is gold

I hadn't scene worst defensive coverage lapses watching Bogosian last year then when John Scott was on the team
- bluengold12

nah weber was worse


many time when bogo had his "lapses" the other d man had pinched down low and our slow a$$ guys up front were dogging it to get back in our own end


bogo is not a top 60 d man
but he is fine as a 3/4 and the furthest thing from the 10 biggest problems we have for next season

nah weber was worse


many time when bogo had his "lapses" the other d man had pinched down low and our slow a$$ guys up front were dogging it to get back in our own end


bogo is not a top 60 d man
but he is fine as a 3/4 and the furthest thing from the 10 biggest problems we have for next season
- homiedclown

Bogosian at his best is your 4th best defender on a playoff team. He's part of the bigger picture problem. I'm not the only one mentioning him as a possible trade asset or else there wouldn't be articles mentioning it.

Everyone has gotten scared of the Brad Richards and Matt Moulson contracts forgetting they play a much different position.
- Stripes77

yup

I still think moulson will be ok on the 3rd line if given a fast winger on the other side (bailey) and a center that plays the coaches system

this is funny because edmonton had no desire to bring him back long term but now we are to expect they like bogo


this is gold
- homiedclown

We all know EDM is the place where great decisions are made

Bogosian at his best is your 4th best defender on a playoff team. He's part of the bigger picture problem. I'm not the only one mentioning him as a possible trade asset or else there wouldn't be articles mentioning it.
- bluengold12

1. goalie
2. top line winger
3. second line winger
4. legit top pair d man with left shot
5. second pair d man
6. defined 3rd line
7. pp coach
8. conditioning
9. aggressive coaching
10. new goal song



these 10 things are much more important than bogo, as of now

We all know EDM is the place where great decisions are made
- sbroads24

IMO as much as some of us dog the oilers, we have made worse choices the last 8 years

Bogosian at his best is your 4th best defender on a playoff team. He's part of the bigger picture problem. I'm not the only one mentioning him as a possible trade asset or else there wouldn't be articles mentioning it.
- bluengold12

you made your point you don't like Bogo, let it go already.

IMO as much as some of us dog the oilers, we have made worse choices the last 8 years
- homiedclown

Ville Leino comes to mind right away.

you made your point you don't like Bogo, let it go already.
- SABRES 89

It's not that I don't like him it's that he's a practacle trade asset and has been in the rumor mill recently. It's part of the discussion. I'm discussing why I think he should be traded. If we end up keeping him I hope he greatly improves because last year as a whole won't cut it

It's not that I don't like him it's that he's a practacle trade asset and has been in the rumor mill recently. It's part of the discussion. I'm discussing why I think he should be traded. If we end up keeping him I hope he greatly improves because last year as a whole won't cut it
- bluengold12

You've been saying the same thing for 6 pages now, the points been made.

1. goalie
2. top line winger
3. second line winger
4. legit top pair d man with left shot
5. second pair d man
6. defined 3rd line
7. pp coach
8. conditioning
9. aggressive coaching
10. new goal song



these 10 things are much more important than bogo, as of now
- homiedclown

I'd say it's more like

1. Top pairing LHD
2. Top line LW with speed to play with Eichel
3. Consistent goaltending/injury free
4. Getting rid of bad contracts
5. Improving speed and skill of bottom six
6. Taking more chances as a coach.
7. Better in game presentation by the Sabres entertainment department.