Apart from a few blatant insults which usually makes the person saying them look silly, it depends on how you read the comment made. I re read some of my comments thinking what type of reaction could be interpreted & sometimes I hope that it's not taken seriously (Blackstrom ), or in an aggressive manner.

I believe most posters don't read all the comment they are replying to a lot of the time as well!
- Aussiepenguin

Haha, you're not a problem Aussie. There is a select 3 or 4 guys who are constantly pumping their chests around here, and cannot take any one elses point of view or opinion. And yes, some people on here post idea's that are total off base and way out in left field... discuss and debate, but sometimes its just best to just shake you head and move on, rather than try and prove your superior hockey intelligence over a keyboard. I'm all for lively discussion, but I hate internet tough guys.

Yeah insane how all those D picks have been traded away or didn't pan out or both... LOL. The only ones that panned out were Dumolin (who we didn't even draft) and Mattaa who was an incidental pick IMO because I'm sure Shero never expected him to drop to us at #22 that year. I fully believe after he picked Pouliot the plan was to pick a F at 22, but when Mattaa dropped that far he couldn't resist.
- Willaged

I'm honestly not surprised. That's what happens when you pick the exact same position over and over again. They all played the left side. The plan was never to have d depth. It was to have trade bate, and it worked terribly.

In that hypothetical scenario where we have four seconds you gotta think we hit on at least one, right? I mean it looks like our scouting team knocked the last draft out of the park, so that's good
- Victoro311

Yeah, 2nd round picks have been good to Pittsburgh the past 15 years.... nothing wrong with having lots of them, should hit on atleast 1 of them.

Yeah insane how all those D picks have been traded away or didn't pan out or both... LOL. The only ones that panned out were Dumolin (who we didn't even draft) and Mattaa who was an incidental pick IMO because I'm sure Shero never expected him to drop to us at #22 that year. I fully believe after he picked Pouliot the plan was to pick a F at 22, but when Mattaa dropped that far he couldn't resist.
- Willaged

I could be remembering things wrong, but wasn't Maatta thought of as a top 10 type pick in that draft earlier, but fell due to injury? DP was projected as a late first round pick IIRC. Basically, they were flip flopped.

I saw a redraft of 2012. They would have the Pens taking Maatta with the 8th overall pick after that deal with Carolina. At 22, it would be Tomas Hertl. Too bad.

The goalie market is just very dependent on how many teams need a goalie and how desperate. This doesn't feel like a great year to be dealing. Though I do think Calgary wants to win next year and not be a lottery team again. They are already spending a ton of money and have good pieces. Late 1st just are not that important compared to getting a franchise goalie. I don't think they would mind dealing that if they had one.

Personally I think their is a high likelihood the goalie market is deeper right before the expansion draft but that is a heavy risks to take.

I could be remembering things wrong, but wasn't Maatta thought of as a top 10 type pick in that draft earlier, but fell due to injury? DP was projected as a late first round pick IIRC. Basically, they were flip flopped.

I saw a redraft of 2012. They would have the Pens taking Maatta with the 8th overall pick after that deal with Carolina. At 22, it would be Tomas Hertl. Too bad.
- Oneonta Penguin

In a redraft without hindsight, definitely think that Forseberg/Maatta is a no brainer. In a hind sight redraft, Maatta/Hertl would be the tits. Hertl would slay on this team.

I'm honestly not surprised. That's what happens when you pick the exact same position over and over again. They all played the left side. The plan was never to have d depth. It was to have trade bate, and it worked terribly.
- Victoro311

It was in the mid to late 1990s I believe when the Pirates went on a run of drafting arms in the first round and they were going to trade from strength. Benson, Shane Burnett, Bradley, JVB, Bullington ... we got essentially nothing out of them in return. Well, Burnett helped get Lastings Milledge from Washington.

Shero got arrogant when he traded GoGo for Neal and Niskanen and then went wild thinking he would rail other GMs in the same fashion. It got us Brandon Morrow and Harrington I guess helped get Kessel. When you say you are going to draft XXX and then deal from strength, you have to hope they develop well so you can. Neither organization saw that.

The goalie market is just very dependent on how many teams need a goalie and how desperate. This doesn't feel like a great year to be dealing. Though I do think Calgary wants to win next year and not be a lottery team again. They are already spending a ton of money and have good pieces. Late 1st just are not that important compared to getting a franchise goalie. I don't think they would mind dealing that if they had one.

Personally I think their is a high likelihood the goalie market is deeper right before the expansion draft but that is a heavy risks to take.
- sditulli

Mason, Neuvrith, Geiss, and Eliot are all UFAs at the end of the season. That's a lot of quality goalies teams can have for no assets. With sellers having little leverage due to expansion, I don't see the goalie market being great.

I could be remembering things wrong, but wasn't Maatta thought of as a top 10 type pick in that draft earlier, but fell due to injury? DP was projected as a late first round pick IIRC. Basically, they were flip flopped.

I saw a redraft of 2012. They would have the Pens taking Maatta with the 8th overall pick after that deal with Carolina. At 22, it would be Tomas Hertl. Too bad.
- Oneonta Penguin

Excatly how it played out. Mattaa was projected to go top 10/12... fell huge because of injuries... I remember losing my mind when Shero drafted Pouliot (I had never heard of him) instead of Forsberg because he was projected top5 pick who had also fell... felt right to take him as we had a void of F prospects at the time, yet we took a relatively unknown D prospect at 8 when we already had a lot of D prospects in the system (Despres, Samuelson, Morrow)...

In a redraft without hindsight, definitely think that Forseberg/Maatta is a no brainer. In a hind sight redraft, Maatta/Hertl would be the tits. Hertl would slay on this team.
- Victoro311

Here is the link to what I was talking about. They have Matt Murray going 47 to Carolina. Interesting. Wonder if this was done before the Cup run or not.

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/redraft/2012/

Excatly how it played out. Mattaa was projected to go top 10/12... fell huge because of injuries... I remember losing my mind when Shero drafted Pouliot (I had never heard of him) instead of Forsberg because he was projected top5 pick who had also fell... felt right to take him as we had a void of F prospects at the time, yet we took a relatively unknown D prospect at 8 when we already had a lot of D prospects in the system (Despres, Samuelson, Morrow)...
- Willaged

A little part of me always gets pissed when I see Forseberg's name because I know he should be a Penguin. The way DP has developed thus far doesn't help things. What a baffling decision that was...

Are we really giving up on Derrick Pouliot? I for One still believe he Can be a regular D-man sooner rather than later. Perhaps 2nd pairing material In a couple seasons.

One thing to keep in mind, Anderssen would cost a team much more to give up than Fleury. Reimer can be had for nothing, but he isn't a good goalie. I will laugh at Toronto if they sign him again. Carolina won't take Fleury with Ward there. I'm surprised they resigned Ward to be honest.

I see something now that Chicago maybe forced to trade Crawford. He won't come cheap either. What if TB feels compelled to move Bishop because the draft is looming next year? Fleury might all the sudden become more attractive due to his cheaper return.

I think most people here have the same value on Fleury ... a second round pick, their first of three, or their latest of three and a decent prospect.
- Oneonta Penguin

Apart from Crawford, you don't know what you will be paying with any other goalie that is available. Flames trade for Bishop, how much is his next contract & how long is it? Will he actually sign with that organisation? Flower you know exactly what you have how much it will cost & you build around that - that is a huge advantage moving forward when you have young studs to sign. So in saying that Toronto is probably a good place to utilise what Flower can give them. Getting our first back with maybe Kap? back? Maybe??

Just because the expansion is coming, doesn't mean every borderline player is now cheaper - supply & demand. If Flower is suited to 2 organisations then the price can be competitive, if it's only 1 then game on JR do your best. It's when no team wants that player the cost is favourable to the buyer (cough Canes cough cough). So does anyone want MAF?

Are we really giving up on Derrick Pouliot? I for One still believe he Can be a regular D-man sooner rather than later. Perhaps 2nd pairing material In a couple seasons.
- Barnaby36

Not giving up by any means. Just worried with what I've seen on the ice and reports coming from DK's sight on how he's put himself in the dog house. But with young players, everything can click at a moment's notice. Just look at Despres. All of a sudden he decided to be physical and then became an effective NHL player overnight.

Not giving up by any means. Just worried with what I've seen on the ice and reports coming from DK's sight on how he's put himself in the dog house. But with young players, everything can click at a moment's notice. Just look at Despres. All of a sudden he decided to be physical and then became an effective NHL player overnight.
- Victoro311

If Schultz doesn't re-sign with us I ser a future for Pouliot In the organization.

Apart from Crawford, you don't know what you will be paying with any other goalie that is available. Flames trade for Bishop, how much is his next contract & how long is it? Will he actually sign with that organisation? Flower you know exactly what you have how much it will cost & you build around that - that is a huge advantage moving forward when you have young studs to sign. So in saying that Toronto is probably a good place to utilise what Flower can give them. Getting our first back with maybe Kap? back? Maybe??

Just because the expansion is coming, doesn't mean every borderline player is now cheaper - supply & demand. If Flower is suited to 2 organisations then the price can be competitive, if it's only 1 then game on JR do your best. It's when no team wants that player the cost is favourable to the buyer (cough Canes cough cough). So does anyone want MAF?
- Aussiepenguin

Toronto isn't trading our first back and Kapanen for Fleury. He isn't worth that. To be honest, all Toronto is about is collecting prospects and picks now. They will be dumb and resign a poopty James Reimer and give up nothing instead of forking over a pick for Fleury.

I almost think you save the Fleury savings for next offseason when Dumolin, Murray and Bonino require new deals, and the season after that Rust, Wilson, Kuhn... if the Cnd dollar stays bad and the cap plateau's that little bit of space will be worth its weight in gold. If Dumo and Murray continue their pace they will each commend 3-4M a piece, and the WBS trio may not get a huge increase, but will certainly demand more than the 650K they just signed on for.
- Willaged

Doubt Boner gets another contract here. With Sundqvist & are there a couple of other young C's coming through? Bleuger, Simon & another or are they all only wingers?

If Schultz doesn't re-sign with us I ser a future for Pouliot In the organization.
- Barnaby36

If DP is here in 2016-17, he had better show something in a hurry. If he doesn't, it will be the last season as a Penguin. He is a RFA after next year in a year in which Murray and Dumo would have to be resigned to deals. DP would be the odd man out with another year like this one. Kid needs to get off his ass and work hard. He hasn't shown me anything to suggest he is top four material.

Toronto isn't trading our first back and Kapanen for Fleury. He isn't worth that. To be honest, all Toronto is about is collecting prospects and picks now. They will be dumb and resign a poopty James Reimer and give up nothing instead of forking over a pick for Fleury.
- Oneonta Penguin

This is my logic & tear it down if you want to.

Toronto are building, Matthews speeds that up now so does Marner & co coming through. If they have a good/very good goalie keeping them in games then the team will progress a lot better than if they are constantly losing games (see Oil - Ed). Babs will know what he has with Flower on all fronts & can control what he does, & how he does it. I think having Flower in goal will be a huge positive for the rebuilding (snowballing), talent that they have & will have - unless Babs wants another lottery pick of course & keeps his young guns in the AHL, then Having Flower will only serve as a prolonged trade piece in a couple of years. It depends on if he wants to play his young guns & give them confidence or marinate them as Detroit has done under his rule??

My view is to have good tending, play his guns with the quality he has now (see JVR), when they can to get experience & become a good team, then add older players to compliment his core of young guns - about the opposite of what the Oil have done!

So Flower to Toronto it is in down underland!

Anyone able to find info on Malkin's arm injury? Thought we were to have an update already coming out by now.

If he has to go on LTIR for roughly half the season, that is a good bit of cap space to play around with.

This is my logic & tear it down if you want to.

Toronto are building, Matthews speeds that up now so does Marner & co coming through. If they have a good/very good goalie keeping them in games then the team will progress a lot better than if they are constantly losing games (see Oil - Ed). Babs will know what he has with Flower on all fronts & can control what he does, & how he does it. I think having Flower in goal will be a huge positive for the rebuilding (snowballing), talent that they have & will have - unless Babs wants another lottery pick of course & keeps his young guns in the AHL, then Having Flower will only serve as a prolonged trade piece in a couple of years. It depends on if he wants to play his young guns & give them confidence or marinate them as Detroit has done under his rule??

My view is to have good tending, play his guns with the quality he has now (see JVR), when they can to get experience & become a good team, then add older players to compliment his core of young guns - about the opposite of what the Oil have done!

So Flower to Toronto it is in down underland!
- Aussiepenguin

I truly hope Toronto is the new Edmonton. They better hope all these young guns develop, because if they don't ...

Anyone able to find info on Malkin's arm injury? Thought we were to have an update already coming out by now.

If he has to go on LTIR for roughly half the season, that is a good bit of cap space to play around with.
- Guile

Nothing yet which to me sounds good. Springs news came the day geno had his Mir so you would think it would be announced. My guess is a small surgery but not TJ and sometime tomorrow they say he is out 6-8 weeks...then they slow roll him in preseason and the start of regular season.

Anyone able to find info on Malkin's arm injury? Thought we were to have an update already coming out by now.

If he has to go on LTIR for roughly half the season, that is a good bit of cap space to play around with.
- Guile

I've noted that too. But actually spending that money might get tough. For one while dupuis/malkin come off the cap ownership still has to pay them so budget wide might not want to spend.

This is my logic & tear it down if you want to.

Toronto are building, Matthews speeds that up now so does Marner & co coming through. If they have a good/very good goalie keeping them in games then the team will progress a lot better than if they are constantly losing games (see Oil - Ed). Babs will know what he has with Flower on all fronts & can control what he does, & how he does it. I think having Flower in goal will be a huge positive for the rebuilding (snowballing), talent that they have & will have - unless Babs wants another lottery pick of course & keeps his young guns in the AHL, then Having Flower will only serve as a prolonged trade piece in a couple of years. It depends on if he wants to play his young guns & give them confidence or marinate them as Detroit has done under his rule??

My view is to have good tending, play his guns with the quality he has now (see JVR), when they can to get experience & become a good team, then add older players to compliment his core of young guns - about the opposite of what the Oil have done!

So Flower to Toronto it is in down underland!
- Aussiepenguin

I don't disagree with you that Toronto's rebuild is probably accelerated with Matthews, but they're still very young as far as contenders go, and I don't think its smart for them to target an older net minder like Fleury because its very unlikely that their young core hits in the first three years that they're together. They need time to grow together before becoming legit. I'm looking at Florida as an example here. This was the first year their young, very talented core had a legit shot, and I felt Bobby Lu slipping towards the end of the season there. I wouldn't be surprised to see Luongo fall off a cliff within the next two seasons when Florida is gonna need him most. Granted, Luongo is several years older than Fleury, but it'll be several years before Toronto gets to where Florida is now.

I think Toronto will be better served with a younger goalie that can grow with the team. If they enter the market I think you'll see them pursue Andersen who's a young vet of 26 years old who can help establish a winning culture in Toronto while still being in his prime when its time to contend. If not that, then they'll probably go back to Reimer as a stop gap and then get their guy when it comes time to seriously pursue the cup.

Doubt Boner gets another contract here. With Sundqvist & are there a couple of other young C's coming through? Bleuger, Simon & another or are they all only wingers?
- Aussiepenguin

Bonino's gonna merit a 4 mil AAV contract if the HBK line continues to do its thing. I don't want Bonino at that price tag if I'm being completely honest with myself and Bones has become a favorite of mine. I think Bones, Hornqvist, Fehr, and Cole should all be allowed to walk at the end of their contracts. Probably Hagelin too. Seeing how the post '09 Shero era ended up I have become extremely cautious of being loyal to non-core players. Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are the only guys we should be giving the benefit of the doubt to. Kessel, Murray, Maatta, and Dumoulin are the next teir. Everyone else is expendable.