Unfortunately teams still know they have to trade fleury to protect Murray. But at least he doesn't HAVE to be traded before the season starts. Plus he's locked up for 3 more years. Guys like bishop and Elliot are UFAs next season so a team trading for them is risky
- drummer829

Pointed this out in my last post but the fans and media are making that assumption because they are infatuated with Murray right now but there is a very realistic scenario where that isn't true and it's better for the team to actually flip Murray if there's any doubts about him being the goalie for the long haul or if they think Jarry will be just as good in 2 years. This could turn into a real disaster if they take the smaller deal now and Jarry takes the net from Murray in 2 years anyway because he turns out to be a better goalie.

Kessel... its almost like his anti social attitude is becoming massively beloved

http://961kiss.iheart.com...ine-skipped-out-14827341/
- Guile

Finally listened to this Friday's episode of PMT, and I gotta say that it wasn't one of their best interviews, but it was still cool just because they were Penguins on their. Some other highlights beyond that hilarious Kessel story:

Mario jumped fully clothed into his pool at his Cup party.

Porter and Schultz are still partying.

Dumo cold called Phil and Kessel was just so pissed to be there

Sure, MAF could submit his 12 teams he won't go to, but if one of those 12 teams say hey, we want you to be our starter for the next 3 years, I bet he would have no issue with it, if there isn't much else out there. Ideal world, 2-3 teams on the list that he would go to, would want him to drive the price up some, but I just don't see that. I could see the Pens saying..hey, this is the only real offer we have gotten, would you go there? If not, you are stuck being the backup here....and in that case, I could see him saying yeah...make it happen. If there are multiple offers for him, and they are all pretty close to the same value, I could see the Pens asking MAF what team he would like to go to out of respect for what he has done for them.
- Thorny

Yes he absolutely could but I personally think it will take more than a team just offering to make him the starter for him to waive if that team is on his no trade list, at 30yo and having played his entire career for the same team on the east coast who is a Cup competitor every year is he really going to waive to uproot his family, drag them the whole way acrossed the country to play for a team that's rebuilding or may not be very competitive for the next several years? I think the team itself is going to be more important than them just being willing to make him the starter.

I agree, it's more than likely that Fleury asks to be traded but just playing devil's advocate, they only need to protect Murray if they are 100% sure he's the long term goalie of the future and they're sure he will be selected, both of which have room for debate. While it's expected that Fleury will ask to be traded that assumption is being made on the fact that the fans assume he will be in the backup role or in a time share if he stays, if the organization isn't 100% sure that Murray is the goalie for the long haul or that Jarry will be at least as good if not better it's quite possible that they would/could offer MAF the 60/40 starter role next year or even the full time #1 while they attempt to flip Murray for a kings ransom in which cause MAF may be more than willing to return to the team he loves. Honestly we have no clue what the conversations are behind closed doors or even what the organizations thoughts/plans are going forward, most just assume because Murray is currently the apple of everyone's eye that it means the team has to love him and MAF has to and wants to go.
- jaydogg1974

Put yourself in Fluery's shoes. Would you be okay with splitting time with someone who the coach is obviously content with playing over you. The Pens are not going to offer him a 60/40 split, they are going to say what have you done for me lately and your job now is to win that position back.

Yeah that Malkin/Subban deal sucks. The point of moving Malkin would be to get more pieces, not an overrated Dman at a similar cap hit.

why are things so dead in here?

https://drive.google.com/...FYWmRoOEE&usp=sharing#_=_
there you go btw (^ it is the quest for the stanley cup all episodes)

Yes he absolutely could but I personally think it will take more than a team just offering to make him the starter for him to waive if that team is on his no trade list, at 30yo and having played his entire career for the same team on the east coast who is a Cup competitor every year is he really going to waive to uproot his family, drag them the whole way acrossed the country to play for a team that's rebuilding or may not be very competitive for the next several years? I think the team itself is going to be more important than them just being willing to make him the starter.
- jaydogg1974

I guess its up to him, if he wants to be a starter elsewhere, or a backup here for a season. I just think a 30 year old goalie in his prime, who is used to starting 55-60 games a season, will back up a guy who the coach obviously likes more than you. He has two cups, on his way to probably a hall of fame career...if he keeps starting. I guess it just depends what is important to him. I would tend to think, being a starter in net is what is most important to him at this stage. I just think if it comes down to him being a backup here or a starter anywhere else, he would take the starting gig...you could see how unhappy he was...and the DK article really points out how MAF was feeling....maybe that changes this summer, who knows.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-j9RAflxJ6HYzN1VXFYWmRoOEE&usp=sharing#_=_
there you go btw
- martox

Bleeping awesome...I will watch it after the Pens/Bolts game 7 is over.

MAF does not have an NMC he has a very limited NTC so it doesn't matter if he wants to waive it or not. There are 18 teams in which to deal with and probably with at least 6 of them MAF is an immediate upgrade over their current goalie. The Pdnguins will never get more for Fleury that they will this offseason. Hanging onto him for all or part of next season is asinine and the longer they hold onto him the more there is a chance the rest of the NHL forces the Penguins to have to give up Murray instead which is not an option. Yes MAF is still a franchise goalie but for how long? 3-5 years likely? Murray will be a franchise goalie for more than a decade. All other narratives you have in your heads are ridiculous.

Stamkos to Detroit e4

MAF does not have an NMC he has a very limited NTC so it doesn't matter if he wants to waive it or not. There are 18 teams in which to deal with and probably with at least 6 of them MAF is an immediate upgrade over their current goalie. The Pdnguins will never get more for Fleury that they will this offseason. Hanging onto him for all or part of next season is asinine and the longer they hold onto him the more there is a chance the rest of the NHL forces the Penguins to have to give up Murray instead which is not an option. Yes MAF is still a franchise goalie but for how long? 3-5 years likely? Murray will be a franchise goalie for more than a decade. All other narratives you have in your heads are ridiculous.
- Dcoms

Boom!


Flower to cal for 6th
Flower to Dal for Nish and 2nd (flip one of their goalies to cal or TO for pick)

Boom!


Flower to cal for 6th
Flower to Dal for Nish and 2nd (flip one of their goalies to cal or TO for pick)
- nh4442

Fleury to Dallas for Niemi, Julius Honka and their first this year. Don't need any forwards at this time we have a surplus.

MAF does not have an NMC he has a very limited NTC so it doesn't matter if he wants to waive it or not. There are 18 teams in which to deal with and probably with at least 6 of them MAF is an immediate upgrade over their current goalie. The Pdnguins will never get more for Fleury that they will this offseason. Hanging onto him for all or part of next season is asinine and the longer they hold onto him the more there is a chance the rest of the NHL forces the Penguins to have to give up Murray instead which is not an option. Yes MAF is still a franchise goalie but for how long? 3-5 years likely? Murray will be a franchise goalie for more than a decade. All other narratives you have in your heads are ridiculous.
- Dcoms

If MAF were to stay as a backup here, he most likely will never get another NHL contract again. He needs to go somewhere and be a starter. For his service JR will set him up.

I agree, it's more than likely that Fleury asks to be traded but just playing devil's advocate, they only need to protect Murray if they are 100% sure he's the long term goalie of the future and they're sure he will be selected, both of which have room for debate. While it's expected that Fleury will ask to be traded that assumption is being made on the fact that the fans assume he will be in the backup role or in a time share if he stays, if the organization isn't 100% sure that Murray is the goalie for the long haul or that Jarry will be at least as good if not better it's quite possible that they would/could offer MAF the 60/40 starter role next year or even the full time #1 while they attempt to flip Murray for a kings ransom in which cause MAF may be more than willing to return to the team he loves. Honestly we have no clue what the conversations are behind closed doors or even what the organizations thoughts/plans are going forward, most just assume because Murray is currently the apple of everyone's eye that it means the team has to love him and MAF has to and wants to go.
- jaydogg1974

I think you and I had the conversation earlier in the playoffs. You said you thought Murray was Sully's "guy". I wasn't sure at the time, but I believe you had it right. I don't see MAF being considered a starter next year with this coach.

It's a tough situation, but I think they're going to do everything they can to move MAF before the start of the season.

Where's everyone!?

MAF's time um the Burgh has come to an end IMO. We could land a Top 6 winger at around $4-4.5M and re-sign Schultz. Ideal situation.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-j9RAflxJ6HYzN1VXFYWmRoOEE&usp=sharing#_=_
there you go btw (^ it is the quest for the stanley cup all episodes)
- martox

THANKS MAN!

THANKS MAN!
- Thorny87

np

I think you can move Kunitz for......whatever. Wilson looks like a very similar player with a nice shot. I believe he can slot in on the left anywhere in the top 9 and be fine

I think you can move Kunitz for......whatever. Wilson looks like a very similar player with a nice shot. I believe he can slot in on the left anywhere in the top 9 and be fine
- cranktheradio

kunitz for grabner

kunitz for grabner
- martox

Grabner's a UFA. I wouldn't mind signing him on the cheap. But, it'd have to be really cheap.

Fleury for Niemi, nich, and 2017 2nd. No salary retained. I think that's a possible deal

Fleury for Niemi, nich, and 2017 2nd. No salary retained. I think that's a possible deal
- drummer829

Just watched episode 5. Awesome! One complaint... They needed to show the full play of Letang's game winner. Pure artistry from Tanger and obviously the biggest moment of that game.

I think you can move Kunitz for......whatever. Wilson looks like a very similar player with a nice shot. I believe he can slot in on the left anywhere in the top 9 and be fine
- cranktheradio

Wilson needs to prove he can stay healthy. He seems to get injured every time he gets called up. I like his potential, but want to see him play for an extended period of time.