Tomorrow, Phoenix and then another place the next day.

If its Minnesota and Pittsburgh is trading him, the Wild had better start with Coyle and Dumba.

I have no idea how this unfolds regarding Malkin, but Minnesota makes more sense than LA and Chicago.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yeah Coyle and Dumba would be a good start.

Or Granlund, Zucker, Brodin and a 1st....

Not advocating for a Malkin trade, but if we are going to discuss Ek's "E4's"... lol..Minnesota actually makes sense as they need/want a true #1 center and have young assets that would be appealing to the Pens.

how about flower for sam bennett and a pick? or flower for the lower of their #1's and a prospect? Ian cole for brian elliot?
- i'mjustafan

Because Flower isn't worth Sam Bennett and a pick? Calgary only has one first round pick and its the 6th overall. They have three seconds. I hope it was a typo and you meant lower of their 2nd.

Flower at best is worth an early to mid second, or a late first and maybe a small addition. He isn't worth a high end young talent like Bennett plus.

how about flower for sam bennett and a pick? or flower for the lower of their #1's and a prospect? Ian cole for brian elliot?
- i'mjustafan

Calgary wouldn't need to add a pick. if we could get Sam Bennett for Fleury, you take it and run...fast! LOL..

And Ian Cole came from St.Louis, they seemed done with him- don't think they'd be interested in re-aquiring him having to give up anything of value.

Calgary wouldn't need to add a pick. if we could get Sam Bennett for Fleury, you take it and run...fast! LOL..

And Ian Cole came from St.Louis, they seemed done with him- don't think they'd be interested in re-aquiring him having to give up anything of value.
- Willaged

Scuderi is supposedly going to inform the Kings whether he will retire or not by Thursday... Do you think he does and if so, does his salary count against us... I believe we're on the hook for 1.1 million.

Calgary wouldn't need to add a pick. if we could get Sam Bennett for Fleury, you take it and run...fast! LOL..

And Ian Cole came from St.Louis, they seemed done with him- don't think they'd be interested in re-aquiring him having to give up anything of value.
- Willaged

Why would Calgary even consider Bennett for Fleury? I know you weren't the one who posed this. I truly wish people would understand the value of our own players before putting something like that down for the masses to read.

Calgary wouldn't need to add a pick. if we could get Sam Bennett for Fleury, you take it and run...fast! LOL..

And Ian Cole came from St.Louis, they seemed done with him- don't think they'd be interested in re-aquiring him having to give up anything of value.
- Willaged

MAF will at best get a late second round pick and a salary dump.

Why would Calgary even consider Bennett for Fleury? I know you weren't the one who posed this. I truly wish people would understand the value of our own players before putting something like that down for the masses to read.
- Oneonta Penguin

I agree with you man. #6, Sam Bennett, ect are all out to lunch proposals. The return will be a 2nd + a B level prospect, or a #4 Dman, or a top 9 LW. The big gain on a MAF trade is the cap space and ability to protect Murray for the expansion draft.

MAF will at best get a late second round pick and a salary dump.
- hipcheck_goalie

The return won't be great on Fleury I agree, thus my response saying you run quick if that was ever purposed.... BUT, the return of only a 2nd round (which is likely) wouldn't require us to take on a salary dump. If we are taking a salary dump, our return goes up. An example would be Dallas... say we ship MAF to Dallas and take Niemi off their hands, we get a greater return. If we ship MAF to Calgary- there second #35 is a realistic return- no need to take a cap dump- a starting goalie is something they need, not worth #6, or Bennett- but its still a need for their club which they need to give up an asset for.

It's funny seeing the posters say how you can't trade flower bc he is a future HOF, in his prime, best goalie etc... Yet value him as a late 2nd rd pick or just a prospect...

Flower can get a 1st, and can an early first to a team that needs a goalie like him to make it to playoffs. If he does get traded Friday it will be for a great return. JR and staff can't (frank) this up.

It's funny seeing the posters say how you can't trade flower bc he is a future HOF, in his prime, best goalie etc... Yet value him as a late 2nd rd pick or just a prospect...

Flower can get a 1st, and can an early first to a team that needs a goalie like him to make it to playoffs. If he does get traded Friday it will be for a great return. JR and staff can't (frank) this up.
- nh4442

I agree. He'd still be our starting goalie for a few years if he didn't get hurt. Good goalies are getting you a 2nd to a team that wants a fringe starter. A great goalie to a team that truly needs a goalie to help put them over the bubble will get you a first .

It's funny seeing the posters say how you can't trade flower bc he is a future HOF, in his prime, best goalie etc... Yet value him as a late 2nd rd pick or just a prospect...

Flower can get a 1st, and can an early first to a team that needs a goalie like him to make it to playoffs. If he does get traded Friday it will be for a great return. JR and staff can't (frank) this up.
- nh4442

That's his value. In a cap world a 31 year old goalie with a hit of 5.75M is not worth a young cost control stud prospect or top 10 pick. A goalie like Martin Jones yielded a mid first rounder last year, and he would carry more value than MAF because of his age and lower cap hit. An early 2nd + B-level prospect is likely the return for MAF. Those of you waiting for a top 10 pick, or a cant miss prospect/young impact player are going to be extremely under whelmed by the actual return when the time comes.

It's funny seeing the posters say how you can't trade flower bc he is a future HOF, in his prime, best goalie etc... Yet value him as a late 2nd rd pick or just a prospect...

Flower can get a 1st, and can an early first to a team that needs a goalie like him to make it to playoffs. If he does get traded Friday it will be for a great return. JR and staff can't (frank) this up.
- nh4442

The thing is that Anaheim is in the same boat as we are and Andersen is more attractive than Fleury due to age and price tag, and there aren't many teams in the goalie market this year. Calgary is the only sure fire team. Maybe Toronto if they think their rebuild is far enough along (I think that hinges on if they get Stamkos or not), maybe Dallas if they find a way to unload Lehtonen (unlikely), maybe Carolina even though they just signed Ward. When you take into account that Reimer can be had for no assets at all, and Philly or NYI may be willing to move a goalie for cheap, Fleury is only gonna be an option for a team if he's discounted.

It's funny seeing the posters say how you can't trade flower bc he is a future HOF, in his prime, best goalie etc... Yet value him as a late 2nd rd pick or just a prospect...

Flower can get a 1st, and can an early first to a team that needs a goalie like him to make it to playoffs. If he does get traded Friday it will be for a great return. JR and staff can't (frank) this up.
- nh4442

Most people realize that he isn't worth a 1st. I think if those who think he is worth that, will be disappointed when/if he gets moved. Getting a second round pick and a decent prospect is the best. The main thing is getting cap space and being able to protect Murray moving forward. Even if they deal him for a late second, they save 5.75 million. Then they can go shopping. Not a hard concept to grasp. The real return on Fleury wouldn't be figured out until Pittsburgh uses that money on free agents. People continue to say Sutter, got us Bonino, a second and either Fehr or Cullen in the end. So, Fleury could get us a second and ??? from the free agent pool.

The thing is that Anaheim is in the same boat as we are and Andersen is more attractive than Fleury due to age and price tag, and there aren't many teams in the goalie market this year. Calgary is the only sure fire team. Maybe Toronto if they think their rebuild is far enough along (I think that hinges on if they get Stamkos or not), maybe Dallas if they find a way to unload Lehtonen (unlikely), maybe Carolina even though they just signed Ward. When you take into account that Reimer can be had for no assets at all, and Philly or NYI may be willing to move a goalie for cheap, Fleury is only gonna be an option for a team if he's discounted.
- Victoro311

One thing to keep in mind, Anderssen would cost a team much more to give up than Fleury. Reimer can be had for nothing, but he isn't a good goalie. I will laugh at Toronto if they sign him again. Carolina won't take Fleury with Ward there. I'm surprised they resigned Ward to be honest.

I see something now that Chicago maybe forced to trade Crawford. He won't come cheap either. What if TB feels compelled to move Bishop because the draft is looming next year? Fleury might all the sudden become more attractive due to his cheaper return.

I think most people here have the same value on Fleury ... a second round pick, their first of three, or their latest of three and a decent prospect.

Most people realize that he isn't worth a 1st. I think if those who think he is worth that, will be disappointed when/if he gets moved. Getting a second round pick and a decent prospect is the best. The main thing is getting cap space and being able to protect Murray moving forward. Even if they deal him for a late second, they save 5.75 million. Then they can go shopping. Not a hard concept to grasp. The real return on Fleury wouldn't be figured out until Pittsburgh uses that money on free agents. People continue to say Sutter, got us Bonino, a second and either Fehr or Cullen in the end. So, Fleury could get us a second and ??? from the free agent pool.
- Oneonta Penguin

I almost think you save the Fleury savings for next offseason when Dumolin, Murray and Bonino require new deals, and the season after that Rust, Wilson, Kuhn... if the Cnd dollar stays bad and the cap plateau's that little bit of space will be worth its weight in gold. If Dumo and Murray continue their pace they will each commend 3-4M a piece, and the WBS trio may not get a huge increase, but will certainly demand more than the 650K they just signed on for.

One thing to keep in mind, Anderssen would cost a team much more to give up than Fleury. Reimer can be had for nothing, but he isn't a good goalie. I will laugh at Toronto if they sign him again. Carolina won't take Fleury with Ward there. I'm surprised they resigned Ward to be honest.

I see something now that Chicago maybe forced to trade Crawford. He won't come cheap either. What if TB feels compelled to move Bishop because the draft is looming next year? Fleury might all the sudden become more attractive due to his cheaper return.

I think most people here have the same value on Fleury ... a second round pick, their first of three, or their latest of three and a decent prospect.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yep. Don't hate the RW deal of MAF for Frolik

Also MAF for #35 and a B-list prospect

or

MAF for Cal's 3rd and Kylington (good D prospect)

Yep. Don't hate the RW deal of MAF for Frolik

Also MAF for #35 and a B-list prospect

or

MAF for Cal's 3rd and Kylington (good D prospect)
- Willaged

I don't disagree with it in theory but I don't like the targeted player. Frolik is overpaid and isn't a position of need. Only way I'd be happy with that trade is if some team (cough Avs cough) gives us a lord's ransom for Hornqvist. But I'd much rather have Horny than Frolik all things being equal. I'd be fine with picking up an overpriced LW for Flower.

One thing to keep in mind, Anderssen would cost a team much more to give up than Fleury. Reimer can be had for nothing, but he isn't a good goalie. I will laugh at Toronto if they sign him again. Carolina won't take Fleury with Ward there. I'm surprised they resigned Ward to be honest.

I see something now that Chicago maybe forced to trade Crawford. He won't come cheap either. What if TB feels compelled to move Bishop because the draft is looming next year? Fleury might all the sudden become more attractive due to his cheaper return.

I think most people here have the same value on Fleury ... a second round pick, their first of three, or their latest of three and a decent prospect.
- Oneonta Penguin

Your first point is kind of what I was saying. Fleury is going to be attractive to teams as a cheaper alternative to Andersen in terms of cost to aquire.

I almost think you save the Fleury savings for next offseason when Dumolin, Murray and Bonino require new deals, and the season after that Rust, Wilson, Kuhn... if the Cnd dollar stays bad and the cap plateau's that little bit of space will be worth its weight in gold. If Dumo and Murray continue their pace they will each commend 3-4M a piece, and the WBS trio may not get a huge increase, but will certainly demand more than the 650K they just signed on for.
- Willaged

Remember, Kunitz and Daley come off the books the next year. That is a decent amount of change.

I don't disagree with it in theory but I don't like the targeted player. Frolik is overpaid and isn't a position of need. Only way I'd be happy with that trade is if some team (cough Avs cough) gives us a lord's ransom for Hornqvist. But I'd much rather have Horny than Frolik all things being equal. I'd be fine with picking up an overpriced LW for Flower.
- Victoro311

Certainly would be more ideal if he was a LW.... and yeah, just checked General Fanager, didn't realize he still had 4 years left on his deal... Honestly, if we could get #35 + for Fleury, I'd be happy. 3- 2nd round picks would go a decent way to beginning to restock the cupboards.

Yep. Don't hate the RW deal of MAF for Frolik

Also MAF for #35 and a B-list prospect

or

MAF for Cal's 3rd and Kylington (good D prospect)
- Willaged

Hate the Fleury deal for Frolik. I was a fan to sign him a year ago thinking his price tag wouldn't be that steep. You don't save much in that deal and Frolik is an enigma.

I don't think you get the #35 pick and a B list prospect for MAF. It's the 35 pick and nothing else.

Brought up Kylington's name a while ago. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of Calgary sending the 66th pick and Oliver to us for MAF. Kylington would greatly help our shortage of blue liner depth in this organization. Funny thing I never thought I'd ever say that considering how many Dmen we drafted under Shero.

Thinking Calgary would be more apt to give us the 53 and 55th picks instead of giving up Kylington and that would be fine.

The bickering and Richard measuring that goes on at this board makes it pretty well unreadable. Discuss and debate, but for god sakes, at least try and be respectful to one another, we are all Pens fans here.
- Willaged

Apart from a few blatant insults which usually makes the person saying them look silly, it depends on how you read the comment made. I re read some of my comments thinking what type of reaction could be interpreted & sometimes I hope that it's not taken seriously (Blackstrom ), or in an aggressive manner.

I believe most posters don't read all the comment they are replying to a lot of the time as well!

Hate the Fleury deal for Frolik. I was a fan to sign him a year ago thinking his price tag wouldn't be that steep. You don't save much in that deal and Frolik is an enigma.

I don't think you get the #35 pick and a B list prospect for MAF. It's the 35 pick and nothing else.

Brought up Kylington's name a while ago. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of Calgary sending the 66th pick and Oliver to us for MAF. Kylington would greatly help our shortage of blue liner depth in this organization. Funny thing I never thought I'd ever say that considering how many Dmen we drafted under Shero.

Thinking Calgary would be more apt to give us the 53 and 55th picks instead of giving up Kylington and that would be fine.
- Oneonta Penguin

In that hypothetical scenario where we have four seconds you gotta think we hit on at least one, right? I mean it looks like our scouting team knocked the last draft out of the park, so that's good

Hate the Fleury deal for Frolik. I was a fan to sign him a year ago thinking his price tag wouldn't be that steep. You don't save much in that deal and Frolik is an enigma.

I don't think you get the #35 pick and a B list prospect for MAF. It's the 35 pick and nothing else.

Brought up Kylington's name a while ago. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of Calgary sending the 66th pick and Oliver to us for MAF. Kylington would greatly help our shortage of blue liner depth in this organization. Funny thing I never thought I'd ever say that considering how many Dmen we drafted under Shero.

Thinking Calgary would be more apt to give us the 53 and 55th picks instead of giving up Kylington and that would be fine.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yeah insane how all those D picks have been traded away or didn't pan out or both... LOL. The only ones that panned out were Dumolin (who we didn't even draft) and Mattaa who was an incidental pick IMO because I'm sure Shero never expected him to drop to us at #22 that year. I fully believe after he picked Pouliot the plan was to pick a F at 22, but when Mattaa dropped that far he couldn't resist.

In that hypothetical scenario where we have four seconds you gotta think we hit on at least one, right? I mean it looks like our scouting team knocked the last draft out of the park, so that's good
- Victoro311

Of course, the deal would have to be done soon in order to get that. I wonder if Pittsburgh did have four seconds, if it would move some of those picks to go up instead of using all four. First thing is first, trade MAF.