? 1st, JVR and a 3rd is fine for Tavares
- the_eye

Keep the 1st, 3rd, and JVR, and get Tavares in two years.

From the Islanders Blog...enjoy

"Honestly im starting to concede that Snow will not be able to get it done and JT will leave, so on that, I'd rather trade JT now to TOR for the #1 pick/JVR/3rd rd pick....
Rather get Mathews now when JT will leave in 2yrs...... "


- steve362

Huh.

Keep the 1st, 3rd, and JVR, and get Tavares in two years.
- sloppyseconds2

Or keep the 1st ,JVR, the 3rd and sign Stamkos.

Or keep the 1st ,JVR, the 3rd and sign Stamkos.
- the_eye

I do wonder where Stamps will sign.

I do wonder where Stamps will sign.
- BetterCallSaul

Carolina or Arizona.

1st overall alone would get Tavares plus.
- the_eye

yup, no doubt..

but might as well wait to see if we can get him via FA in a couple yrs.

yup, no doubt..

but might as well wait to see if we can get him via FA in a couple yrs.
- MCharisma91

It's funny that Stamkos is considered too old for a long term imvestment by some, yet Tavares will be two years older when he hits UFA and that would be a good move.

Played golf with a guy playing with a hockey stick putter.

Played golf with a guy playing with a hockey stick putter.
- burn

No you didn't, that was a movie.

It's funny that Stamkos is considered too old for a long term imvestment by some, yet Tavares will be two years older when he hits UFA and that would be a good move.
- BetterCallSaul

I said it was fair value, not that Toronto should do it. There's a difference.

Tavares is 25, one year removed from finishing 2nd in points, and he has the best value cap hit in the entire league. If you want a guy like that you have to pay a massive amount. If the Islanders were desperate to move him sure his value would be lower but they aren't.

I said it was fair value, not that Toronto should do it. There's a difference.

Tavares is 25, one year removed from finishing 2nd in points, and he has the best value cap hit in the entire league. If you want a guy like that you have to pay a massive amount. If the Islanders were desperate to move him sure his value would be lower but they aren't.
- daeth

Wasn't towards you, stop being so self centred.

It's funny that Stamkos is considered too old for a long term imvestment by some, yet Tavares will be two years older when he hits UFA and that would be a good move.
- BetterCallSaul

Sign both.

Wasn't towards you, stop being so self centred.
- BetterCallSaul

k

I said it was fair value, not that Toronto should do it. There's a difference.

Tavares is 25, one year removed from finishing 2nd in points, and he has the best value cap hit in the entire league. If you want a guy like that you have to pay a massive amount. If the Islanders were desperate to move him sure his value would be lower but they aren't.
- daeth

As good as Tavares contract is though, the cost control of a first overall on an entry level deal is significant. And Tavares will likely be getting a mega contract two years from now. It's hard to think of any team that gets a first overall that would trade it for Tavares, unless it was something like a team finished just outside of the playoffs and won the lottery. If it's something that realistically no team would do, then it's not really market value.

Sign both.
- sloppyseconds2

And play him on the wing...

As good as Tavares contract is though, the cost control of a first overall on an entry level deal is significant. And Tavares will likely be getting a mega contract two years from now. It's hard to think of any team that gets a first overall that would trade it for Tavares, unless it was something like a team finished just outside of the playoffs and won the lottery. If it's something that realistically no team would do, then it's not really market value.
- Zezel

Nobody trades a 1st overall for Tavares.

There's a reason only Boston trades star centers when they are still young. The price would be more than anyone can stomach.

There's a reason only Boston trades star centers when they are still young. The price would be more than anyone can stomach.
- daeth

And came out losers (in the player swaps) in both deals. Never got "fair value" for Thornton or Seguin. The price was pretty cheap.

Nobody trades a 1st overall for Tavares.
- the_eye

Tavares is worth four 2nds, two 3rds, Christian Thomas, Scott Valentine, and Michael Zador.

Source: Generals trade in 2009

Nobody trades a 1st overall for Tavares.
- the_eye

I could imagine if it's a legit contender that just missed the playoffs, like when LA missed, and then they won they lottery. They might say okay, the first overall can play right away, but we need to go for it right now with a guy who's experienced and in his prime. But obviously this is an extremely unlikely, reach of a scenario, so basically I agree with you.

And came out losers (in the player swaps) in both deals. Never got "fair value" for Thornton or Seguin. The price was pretty cheap.
- systemtool

Yeah.

Other teams seemingly (and understandably) want more if they're to part with their star centers otherwise we'd see them moved more often imo. They probably have the most value in the NHL. There's really no motivation to move them.

I could imagine if it's a legit contender that just missed the playoffs, like when LA missed, and then they won they lottery. They might say okay, the first overall can play right away, but we need to go for it right now with a guy who's experienced and in his prime. But obviously this is an extremely unlikely, reach of a scenario, so basically I agree with you.
- Zezel

You're not wrong. A team with a 1st overall pick would value the entry level deal and elite potential more than anything. The odds of a rebuilding team wanting to move the 1st overall pick in a strong draft like this is low.

Look at it from the Islanders perspective though. They've been a 100 point team a couple years in a row and playoff money is probably pretty important. Tavares right now is cheap and a top center. He gives them the best shot at making the playoffs and maybe winning a round or two. Assuming they have no reason to suspect he wants out what is their motivation to trade him for Matthews who best case scenario is a couple years away from reaching a Tavares type level? You'd have to sweeten the deal for them imo.

It's a trade that'd never happen lol.

I could imagine if it's a legit contender that just missed the playoffs, like when LA missed, and then they won they lottery. They might say okay, the first overall can play right away, but we need to go for it right now with a guy who's experienced and in his prime. But obviously this is an extremely unlikely, reach of a scenario, so basically I agree with you.
- Zezel

Even then it doesn't work. A ligitimate contender would likely prefer the guy who is salary controlled for 6 years. The difference in skill would likely be minimal (in this case it is a good comparison, both are top centres), so getting a contract with a cap hit of half or less would be better.

While there are exceptions, in this case Matthews is much more preferred.

1st overall alone would get Tavares plus.
- the_eye

Yeah, I mean if we were talking Pitts first, plus JvR plus a third then you're much more in the ballpark...

So basically we agree nobody trades first overalls, and none of us would bet our left nut that it would ever happen.