You're delusional...

Plus, neither of you have Kane as a top guy???
- stashu

Kane is RW. That is why.

Buffalo has 10 million or so coming off the books next year plus the additional space they have right now which is double so even if Toronto has all this cap room freeing up it wont be close to Buffalo's. Yet again, advantage us.
- bluengold12

Are you in straight denial that Toronto will ever be good?

I'm not comparing Buffalo and Toronto. They cant be compared. There is no advantage because they are at different stages of the game.
Toronto will be good, and it is going to be within the next 2-3 years.

Risto was technically in his first full year last year also he played three less games due to injury. I don't want to hear about Reilly being better then Risto give me a break.

And no our goaltending isn't a lock but it's a (frank) ton better then the utter crap Toronto has
- bluengold12

I don't really know if risto is better than rielly, it's way too early to tell.

Well they want to move up and the Oilers want a lot to do it, take Hartnell and maybe it works. Moving up to 3 or 4 is but not so much the players yet.
- SABRES 89

It depends on what the plus is.

Like 8th and Ennis for Hartnell and 3rd I would be good with.

Draft the Fin

Sign Stamkos

Sign Vesey

trade Girgensons plus for Fowler (if that's still on the table)

Done.

I think a third line of Foligno Larsson and Hartnell would be pretty good and fun to watch.

Would anyone give up the 8th pick + for the 3rd pick and Hartnell?
- SABRES 89

It depends what the plus is but yeah. Dreger just tweeted that it might take a big contract back like Hartnell's along with 3. They have to clear cap space. How long is Hartnell's contract, that's what I'm curious about.

#3. Jesse Puljujarvi – RW, Karpat (Finland)
A versatile, polished forward with good playmaking instincts and a highly developed two-way sense, Puljujarvi recently completed his second season of professional hockey with Karpat in Finland’s top league, amassing 13 goals and 28 points for the league’s second-place club.

He was even better when playing against his peer group, scoring five goals and a tournament-best 17 points in host Finland’s seven-game cruise to the gold medal at the 2016 IIHF World Junior Championship. more of Kris Bakers writeup
http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=886503

A. That's not true
B. We have no prospect that could carry Mitch Marner or Kasperi Kapanen's jock
C. They have enough assets to make a deal for an O'Reilly caliber player.
- sbroads24

We have Sam Reinhart. They have NO one with his potential unless you want to throw in Marner then you lose him as a prospect and he matches up lesser than Reinhart.

They have a few marginal assets and a few semi decent ones. We're not talking about the 04-05 Rochester Americans here...

Kane and JVR are washes

Eichel and Reinhart are NHL established 20 goal scorers.

Risto is better than Rielly and Gardiner.

Gionta and Lupul have been a wash lately.

Ullmark and Peterson are better than any goalie prospects they have.

Our depht of Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching, Hurley, Olofosson, karabacek, and Possler is better than what they have after Marner, Nylander, and Kapenen.

They don't have an ROR unless they get Stamkos.

IF we get Vesey and someone like Puljujarvi or Tkachuk by trading up like it sounds like we are trying to.. that would be HUGE in equaling out Matthews.

Both teams are good.

We are coming out of the bottom. They are still in the tank for another year or two I bet.
- JVince11

Jeremy Bracco and Connor Brown are just as good as Bailey/Baptiste or Fasching

It depends on what the plus is.

Like 8th and Ennis for Hartnell and 3rd I would be good with.

Draft the Fin

Sign Stamkos

Sign Vesey

trade Girgensons plus for Fowler (if that's still on the table)

Done.

I think a third line of Foligno Larsson and Hartnell would be pretty good and fun to watch.
- Stripes77

I've always like Hartnell and if you take him off there hands and add to the deal, might be able to get the 3rd pick and grab K chucks kid.

It depends what the plus is but yeah. Dreger just tweeted that it might take a big contract back like Hartnell's along with 3. They have to clear cap space. How long is Hartnell's contract, that's what I'm curious about.

#3. Jesse Puljujarvi – RW, Karpat (Finland)
A versatile, polished forward with good playmaking instincts and a highly developed two-way sense, Puljujarvi recently completed his second season of professional hockey with Karpat in Finland’s top league, amassing 13 goals and 28 points for the league’s second-place club.

He was even better when playing against his peer group, scoring five goals and a tournament-best 17 points in host Finland’s seven-game cruise to the gold medal at the 2016 IIHF World Junior Championship. more of Kris Bakers writeup
http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=886503
- GilPerreault11

Hartnell has 3 years left at 4.75 million

Kane and JVR are washes

Eichel and Reinhart are NHL established 20 goal scorers.

Risto is better than Rielly and Gardiner.

Gionta and Lupul have been a wash lately.

Ullmark and Peterson are better than any goalie prospects they have.

Our depht of Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching, Hurley, Olofosson, karabacek, and Possler is better than what they have after Marner, Nylander, and Kapenen.

They don't have an ROR unless they get Stamkos.

IF we get Vesey and someone like Puljujarvi or Tkachuk by trading up like it sounds like we are trying to.. that would be HUGE in equaling out Matthews.

Both teams are good.

We are coming out of the bottom. They are still in the tank for another year or two I bet.
- JVince11

Allegedly, The cup winning goalie had seasons with 3+ and 4+ GAA when he was a prospect. You never know where goalies are going to come from.

It depends what the plus is but yeah. Dreger just tweeted that it might take a big contract back like Hartnell's along with 3. They have to clear cap space. How long is Hartnell's contract, that's what I'm curious about.

#3. Jesse Puljujarvi – RW, Karpat (Finland)
A versatile, polished forward with good playmaking instincts and a highly developed two-way sense, Puljujarvi recently completed his second season of professional hockey with Karpat in Finland’s top league, amassing 13 goals and 28 points for the league’s second-place club.

He was even better when playing against his peer group, scoring five goals and a tournament-best 17 points in host Finland’s seven-game cruise to the gold medal at the 2016 IIHF World Junior Championship. more of Kris Bakers writeup
http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=886503
- GilPerreault11

Hartnell has 3 years/ 4.75 per.

It's
1 ov
2. Benn
3. Hall

Then



^^^^^^^
- GERBE!!!75PTS

You should really check out Pacriocy and Parise are HANDS down better. Especially statistically.

Parise has had 6 30 goal seasons and a 45 goal season. Not ot mention a 94 pt season and a 82 pt season. Plus another 4 60 pt seasons.
Pacioretty has had 4 30 goals seasons and two at 39 and 37. 4 60 pt seasons.

Hall has never even scored 30 but has had 1 80 pt and 1 65 pt season.

i think you are slightly infatuated with Hall man. I really do.

Jeremy Bracco and Connor Brown are just as good as Bailey/Baptiste or Fasching
- sbroads24

Bracco hasn't done crap. Bailey proved he can produce in the AHL. Brown has been in AHL two full seasons. He looks good but who knows.


We also have Guhle. Fasching played a few games in the NHL coming from college we have no idea what his potential is. Give me a break

I've always like Hartnell and if you take him off there hands and add to the deal, might be able to get the 3rd pick and grab K chucks kid.
- SABRES 89

GMTM has said the top 3 is a lock.

If he moves up to 3 he takes a Fin even though I like K Chucks kid he isn't at the Fins level just yet

It depends what the plus is but yeah. Dreger just tweeted that it might take a big contract back like Hartnell's along with 3. They have to clear cap space. How long is Hartnell's contract, that's what I'm curious about.

#3. Jesse Puljujarvi – RW, Karpat (Finland)
A versatile, polished forward with good playmaking instincts and a highly developed two-way sense, Puljujarvi recently completed his second season of professional hockey with Karpat in Finland’s top league, amassing 13 goals and 28 points for the league’s second-place club.

He was even better when playing against his peer group, scoring five goals and a tournament-best 17 points in host Finland’s seven-game cruise to the gold medal at the 2016 IIHF World Junior Championship. more of Kris Bakers writeup
http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=886503
- GilPerreault11

Hartnell 3 more years at 4.75 I think

You should really check out Pacriocy and Parise are HANDS down better. Especially statistically.

Parise has had 6 30 goal seasons and a 45 goal season. Not ot mention a 94 pt season and a 82 pt season. Plus another 4 60 pt seasons.
Pacioretty has had 4 30 goals seasons and two at 39 and 37. 4 60 pt seasons.

Hall has never even scored 30 but has had 1 80 pt and 1 65 pt season.

i think you are slightly infatuated with Hall man. I really do.
- JVince11

add him to the list

Jeremy Bracco and Connor Brown are just as good as Bailey/Baptiste or Fasching
- sbroads24

That is why I said our DEPTH of all of those guys outweigh what is left for them in 2 maybe 3 guys.

I didn't even mention like Carrier or Possler.

You should really check out Pacriocy and Parise are HANDS down better. Especially statistically.

Parise has had 6 30 goal seasons and a 45 goal season. Not ot mention a 94 pt season and a 82 pt season. Plus another 4 60 pt seasons.
Pacioretty has had 4 30 goals seasons and two at 39 and 37. 4 60 pt seasons.

Hall has never even scored 30 but has had 1 80 pt and 1 65 pt season.

i think you are slightly infatuated with Hall man. I really do.
- JVince11

Agreed, many are. Plus the guy cant stay healthy, so for is good as he is, he is no good if he is not playing.

GMTM has said the top 3 is a lock.

If he moves up to 3 he takes a Fin even though I like K Chucks kid he isn't at the Fins level just yet
- Stripes77

Ok thanks, I don't know much about the kids in the draft but most of you folks do and that's how I find out.

I can't help but think if someone was going to trade for Stamkos' rights, it would have happened already...

Hartnell has 3 years left at 4.75 million
- Stripes77

Thanks...Then let's deal Ennis or another costly player somewhere else to balance it out

Hartnell 3 more years at 4.75 I think
- SABRES 89

which conventiely goes away when we have to pay the kids, along with Giota, Gorges, Kane, etc contracts

Are you in straight denial that Toronto will ever be good?

I'm not comparing Buffalo and Toronto. They cant be compared. There is no advantage because they are at different stages of the game.
Toronto will be good, and it is going to be within the next 2-3 years.
- ImThatGuy

I'm not denying they will be good I'm saying right now Buffalo has an advantage is everything including cap space

Thanks...Then let's deal Ennis or another costly player somewhere else to balance it out
- GilPerreault11

Yup if you can move Ennis or somehow Moulson then there isn't a question in my mind you make that trade

Thanks...Then let's deal Ennis or another costly player somewhere else to balance it out
- GilPerreault11

hartnell is a physical LW that is bonafide top 6 even at 34 years old.

he still has 20, 28, and 23 goal seasons in the past 3 years with over 100 PIM each season.