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CaptainRivet
Buffalo Sabres
Location: on Bored, NY
Joined: 12.26.2008

Jun 22 @ 12:31 PM ET
Slump Buster for GM
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 22 @ 12:31 PM ET
0 of them played for us.
1 or 2 of them would be available for just cap space
26 of them would require some decent assets going the other way

- sbroads24


Exactly

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 12:31 PM ET
I takek Nash, Corey Perry or Hoffman for some assets and pocket a ton of extra cap space (potentially tens of millions).
- Slump Buster

I think we should go after Nash regardless
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:31 PM ET
You said 40 goals, now you are changing the Lower limit to better support your argument.

Can you list me of those 28 guys who is available? I count one and that is Louis Eriksson, he misses more games and has more injury concerns than Stamkos.

Stamkos plays defense you, He has + numbers in all of those categories, stop making stuff up

- ImThatGuy


No, I was pointing out that for some reason 40 is this magical number and that for a lot less money/risk you could get a very good player without a cartoonish contract.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:32 PM ET
I takek Nash, Corey Perry or Hoffman for some assets and pocket a ton of extra cap space (potentially tens of millions).
- Slump Buster



Unless you're Pegula, why do you care?
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:33 PM ET
I takek Nash, Corey Perry or Hoffman for some assets and pocket a ton of extra cap space (potentially tens of millions).
- Slump Buster

Gonna have to convince the other GM to trade..

Takes 2 to get it done.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:33 PM ET
Unless you're Pegula, why do you care?
- dadeadhead


Because unlike the NFL, this is a hard cap. If it wasn't..... pay him 20 million for all I care.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:34 PM ET
I think we should go after Nash regardless
- sbroads24



Pass.


Go get Hartnall instead.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:34 PM ET
Gonna have to convince the other GM to trade..

Takes 2 to get it done.

- cabin


Sure, of course. But by that logic if we don't get Stammer we are screwed.

Once again, I really hope we get him. This has turned into an arbitration hearing of sorts. I like the player.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 22 @ 12:35 PM ET
I takek Nash, Corey Perry or Hoffman for some assets and pocket a ton of extra cap space (potentially tens of millions).
- Slump Buster



Perry is 31 and is signed until he is 36. Would cost a ton to get in assets. Has an $8.65 million cap hit.

Nash is 32 signed 2 more years but had the worst season of his career and has a $7.8 million cap hit. Could be had for cheap but his production is garbage.

Hoffman is nowhere near the player Stamkos is PERIOD.
riptheguard
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.08.2005

Jun 22 @ 12:35 PM ET
So if Sabres can't/don't sign Vesey by say July 10 and indications are he won't sign here, can we trade the negotiation rights?
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 22 @ 12:35 PM ET
This is fun
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 22 @ 12:36 PM ET
I takek Nash, Corey Perry or Hoffman for some assets and pocket a ton of extra cap space (potentially tens of millions).
- Slump Buster


Nash costs you a first round pick plus
Perry cost you 8 plus Reinhart +
Hoffman is not available.

So you saved cap space but made the team weaker, so good job I guess?
12 - 7.2 is 5
12 - 8.7 is 3

So at most you are saving is 5MM and making the team weaker in the process.

PS Last year
Perry - .76PPG
Stamkos - .83PPG
Nash - .6 PPG
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:36 PM ET
Because unlike the NFL, this is a hard cap. If it wasn't..... pay him 20 million for all I care.
- Slump Buster



A hard cap that'll increase

A hard cap that they have space to fit him in now and in the future.

You wanna bargain shop, check the Sunday paper for coupons.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:36 PM ET
Sure, of course. But by that logic if we don't get Stammer we are screwed.

Once again, I really hope we get him. This has turned into an arbitration hearing of sorts. I like the player.

- Slump Buster

buffalokb
Joined: 02.24.2011

Jun 22 @ 12:37 PM ET
Cheechoo > Stamkos
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jun 22 @ 12:37 PM ET
So if Sabres can't/don't sign Vesey by say July 10 and indications are he won't sign here, can we trade the negotiation rights?
- riptheguard



We can try but I doubt we get anything
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 22 @ 12:38 PM ET
So if Sabres can't/don't sign Vesey by say July 10 and indications are he won't sign here, can we trade the negotiation rights?
- riptheguard

Yes. But I don't see why anyone would at that point.

We traded for them now so that we could understand his intentions in signing with us in order to help build the roster. Other teams will have to build their rosters now knowing if they will have him and my guess is they will have to build based upon not having him
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 22 @ 12:38 PM ET
No, I was pointing out that for some reason 40 is this magical number and that for a lot less money/risk you could get a very good player without a cartoonish contract.
- Slump Buster


40 is the number you set by saying "Stamkos is only a 40 goal scorer."
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jun 22 @ 12:38 PM ET
Cheechoo > Stamkos
- buffalokb


Cheecho was great that injury killed his career
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 22 @ 12:39 PM ET
We can try but I doubt we get anything
- GERBE!!!75PTS



Go listen to the Sean Malone interview on WGR.

Vesey sent him a snap chat when the Sabres traded for his rights.

You don't do that if you're not excited.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 22 @ 12:40 PM ET
Go listen to the Sean Malone interview on WGR.

Vesey sent him a snap chat when the Sabres traded for his rights.

You don't do that if you're not excited.

- Stripes77

Was he laughing in it
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:40 PM ET
So if Sabres can't/don't sign Vesey by say July 10 and indications are he won't sign here, can we trade the negotiation rights?
- riptheguard


Of course
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 22 @ 12:40 PM ET
So if Sabres can't/don't sign Vesey by say July 10 and indications are he won't sign here, can we trade the negotiation rights?
- riptheguard


yes but most likely no one will trade for him as if he doesn't sign with us, it's pretty clear he wants to go to UFA
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 22 @ 12:40 PM ET
Go listen to the Sean Malone interview on WGR.

Vesey sent him a snap chat when the Sabres traded for his rights.

You don't do that if you're not excited.

- Stripes77



My guess is Toronto and Buffalo give him the best odds to hit his performance bonuses
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