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- dr_soiledpants

There are many teams out there with less than stellar goaltending, that's really all that needs to be said. He's a Vezina candidate!

Michael Grosso ‏@RumorBreak · 29m29 minutes ago

*BREAKING*: Per source CGY has offered 2 2nd rounders + Backlund + prospects for Ben Bishop. Ball in TB's court. - fixed the typo.

This guy is decent. Doesn't really throw poop out there.
- Dannyboy

Im om with this as long as the prospect is not Poirier (no RW depth) or Kylington. Maybe Klimchuk/MacDonald/TSpoon as good prospect options to include.

I agree. CGY has a lot of leverage here. These offers are basically destroying the depth we've built up. For reasons I said in my last post 2 seconds and a mid prospect at most. U can't offer 2 high picks and 2 of our top 4-5 prospects for a G on a 1 yr term with large cap on team with major $ issues.
- TandA4Flames

thats why you just offer a pair of those seconds for fleury and call it a day

I agree. CGY has a lot of leverage here. These offers are basically destroying the depth we've built up. For reasons I said in my last post 2 seconds and a mid prospect at most. U can't offer 2 high picks and 2 of our top 4-5 prospects for a G on a 1 yr term with large cap on team with major $ issues.
- TandA4Flames

Until and actual offer is reported its just speculation...

Well, that's the thing, you don't do it for just 1 year, you go into the deal prepared to extend him on a 5 year 35 mill deal as early as July 2nd.
- Kevin R

Still, you're talking about giving up 4 big assets, 2 being pretty high prospects, to a troubled team. And he just had a knee injury. I would rather sign a 1 yr prove it with a possible up and comer and then try to sign Bishop next off season than give all that up. Unless there is a significant piece also coming back beyond Bishop.

There are many teams out there with less than stellar goaltending, that's really all that needs to be said. He's a Vezina candidate!
- golfingsince

You've just said nothing of value.

Until and actual offer is reported its just speculation...
- Redmile247

Thanks tips

My issue is more what people here are willing to offer. It's asinine.

Don't think Bishop would reel in the 6OA especially considering he is practically a rental. Maybe if there was a larger conditional deal put in place upon him re-signing.

Might be wise for Tampa to try and package Bishop with either Carle or Callahan (assuming you get them to waive) so they can dump cap. They'd probably be taking a significant cut on their return for Bishop but it might be worth it considering all of their FA problems.

You've just said nothing of value.
- dr_soiledpants

Oh!

Proclaiming the Flames the only team on the market for a goalie is accurate though.

thats why you just offer a pair of those seconds for fleury and call it a day
- stayinthefnnet

Bishop is a better option, but more expensive in trade and (eventual) contract. Including Backlund tells me TB may also throw a bit back w Bishop, but it clears a bit of cap, even though it is a great contract. This also frees The Chosen One to take over 3C duties this year.

Yeah, I think that there's more than 1 team with interest in Bishop.
- golfingsince

Like who? Who can afford him without sending back significant $ and actually has need for a G, Vezina candidate or not?

Still, you're talking about giving up 4 big assets, 2 being pretty high prospects, to a troubled team. And he just had a knee injury. I would rather sign a 1 yr prove it with a possible up and comer and then try to sign Bishop next off season than give all that up. Unless there is a significant piece also coming back beyond Bishop.
- TandA4Flames

Was it really significant? Seemed to just be a sprain of sorts. I didn't hear about any structural damage.

Don't think Bishop would reel in the 6OA especially considering he is practically a rental. Maybe if there was a larger conditional deal put in place upon him re-signing.

Might be wise for Tampa to try and package Bishop with either Carle or Callahan (assuming you get them to waive) so they can dump cap. They'd probably be taking a significant cut on their return for Bishop but it might be worth it considering all of their FA problems.
- RonPielep

Now you're talking about us taking back $11 mil in cap space back and some big/bad long contracts. If that's the case, Stevie can have #56 and that's all. Enjoy your new cap security blanket and piss off.

Thanks tips

My issue is more what people here are willing to offer. It's asinine.
- TandA4Flames

What's the most you would be willing to offer for bishop ?

Like who? Who can afford him without sending back significant $ and actually has need for a G, Vezina candidate or not?
- TandA4Flames

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams

Bishop is a better option, but more expensive in trade and (eventual) contract. Including Backlund tells me TB may also throw a bit back w Bishop, but it clears a bit of cap, even though it is a great contract. This also frees The Chosen One to take over 3C duties this year.
- FLflames34

bishop is definitely the better goalie.

but it all depends on cost and what your plan is. if youre giving up a ton for bishop, youre doing it basically with the plan to sign him to a huge deal in a years time. i thought the plan was to have a good solid goalie who would bridge time until gilles.

fleury will be damn solid. cheaper to acquire. cheaper the next 2 years, and then be gone right in time for the kid to be up.

but if youre looking to go out and plunk the prime assets down, and then have someone on board long term, yeah bishop could be the cornerstone guy

Crawford is good ...id be more than happy with him as our goalie as well
- Redmile247

I never said he wasn't good, just not elite. Huge upgrade. But would we want him for 4 years at 6 per? Is Reimer a similar calibre that could be had for under 6 on maybe just a 3 year deal?

Oh!

Proclaiming the Flames the only team on the market for a goalie is accurate though.
- golfingsince

One could argue that if fleury and Bishop are available any of these teams "could" be interested :

Van, edm, cgy, win, ott, isles, phi, buff, blues , stars, coyotes , minny ...any of these teams could view them as upgrades possibly

Now you're talking about us taking back $11 mil in cap space back and some big/bad long contracts. If that's the case, Stevie can have #56 and that's all. Enjoy your new cap security blanket and piss off.
- TandA4Flames

That's what I mean by diminished returns. Probably worth it from Tampa's perspective because it would potentially allow them to re-sign Stamkos, Hedman and co. Not sure if the Flames could make it fit unless they bought out Carle or dumped Wideman.

Bishop and Callahan for the 56th would be a steal for Tampa in my opinion. Getting Callahan to waive his NMC is another story.

But then they could buyout Carle and be out of a large part of their cap nightmares.

Oh!

Proclaiming the Flames the only team on the market for a goalie is accurate though.
- golfingsince

Realistically, yes, Calgary is the only one. Obviously every team, excluding a few, would like to have him, but the deal has to be realistic. CBJ? Bob would have to go to TBL, so no. Winnipeg? Same thing, Pav would have to go, so no. Toronto has Anderson, so they're out. Every team has either a goalie they like, or one that would have to be going to TBL.

73m....spend spend spend

73m....spend spend spend
- DDM-Coga

has that been confirmed as the cap?

has that been confirmed as the cap?
- stayinthefnnet

yup, Friedman tweeted that out. Not official but thats going to be the final number once its all said and done

Hello from Vegas. Should get cap clarity today. With full 5% escalator from players, ceiling could be $73M flat. That's up $1.6M.

— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) June 21, 2016

Realistically, yes, Calgary is the only one. Obviously every team, excluding a few, would like to have him, but the deal has to be realistic. CBJ? Bob would have to go to TBL, so no. Winnipeg? Same thing, Pav would have to go, so no. Toronto has Anderson, so they're out. Every team has either a goalie they like, or one that would have to be going to TBL.
- dr_soiledpants

Pav's deal is up after this season and he hasn't exactly been lights out. Think they'll want to just extend him?

Maybe they'll trade him to Calgary so they can act on Bishop.

See how that works?

This is a non-issue. Think seriously about this expansion draft. We have ridiculous leverage. Bishop is THE best goalie, and 100% will be taken in the expansion draft. The Lightning are 100% not letting their 1st rd Vasilevsky exposed in the expansion draft. What else? Depending on the Stamkos deal, and even if they don't sign Stamkos, Tampa can't afford Bishop. Why? Kucherov, Hedman...

So, Tampa absolutely MUST get rid of Bishop by next season. There is other goalies on the market: MAF, Elliot maybe, and Reimer is our last resort "free" option. So Tampa either trades with the Flames, or lets him walk for free.

I reckon we could get it done with a late 2nd, maybe even a 3rd if we wait a bit more.

Keep in mind, we were able to spend $9 mil on poopty goaltending last year, I have no problem spending $7 mil on Vezina-tier goaltending.