Missing the point of the discussion and why there are loopholes found and executed by teams. It's about how you get to the 50/50 split. If the cap was better designed, and implemented, there wouldn't have been the extremes in the past of players getting 10M salaries with cap hits half that, there wouldn't be the high escrow percentages that players don't like. There wouldn't be new rules that need to be put in place, limiting contract structure, or a rule to retroactively punish teams for contract structure put in place, for contracts that were approved under the rules of the previous CBA, and there probably wouldn't have been a lockout the last time. Some things you can't predict such as the fall of the Canadian dollar, but overall, it's very much a work in progress. if the league can limit player contract structure because they want cap hit to match salary, then the players can look at the opposite, and say the same, with the extent to what a team like Arizona is doing.
- MJL

Explain to me how someone isn't getting paid because of Datsyuk's empty contract?

Slew of teams not sending qualifying offers to guys, supposedly to avoid arbitration.

Boston didn't qualify Brett Connolly. NJ failed to qualify Beau Bennett, Jon Merrill & Devante Smith-Pelley. Calgary didn't qualify Joe Colborne or Joni Ortio.

Seems to me they are overthinking things, unless they have a handshake deal with these guys. If I didn't get qualified, I'd sure as poop test UFA waters.

Hey! Who are we taking next year?





Too soon... ?

- mayorofangrytown

Matthew Strome unless you want another name

Explain to me how someone isn't getting paid because of Datsyuk's empty contract?
- mayorofangrytown

Arizona would have to sign players worth 7.5M in cap hits if they didn't have the dead cap space for Datsyuk. Why did Arizona acquire Datsyuk in the first place? Why is there a cap floor?

Arizona would have to sign players worth 7.5M in cap hits if they didn't have the dead cap space for Datsyuk. Why did Arizona acquire Datsyuk in the first place? Why is there a cap floor?
- MJL

Because the other team (frank)ed up and Arizona had space to acquire an asset at the cost of something they weren't going to use anyway?

Slew of teams not sending qualifying offers to guys, supposedly to avoid arbitration.

Boston didn't qualify Brett Connolly. NJ failed to qualify Beau Bennett, Jon Merrill & Devante Smith-Pelley. Calgary didn't qualify Joe Colborne or Joni Ortio.

Seems to me they are overthinking things, unless they have a handshake deal with these guys. If I didn't get qualified, I'd sure as poop test UFA waters.
- Jsaquella

They're all signing Stamkos

Because the other team (frank)ed up and Arizona had space to acquire an asset at the cost of something they weren't going to use anyway?
- PepinoPamplemousse

That's irrelevant in the context of the discussion.

Slew of teams not sending qualifying offers to guys, supposedly to avoid arbitration.

Boston didn't qualify Brett Connolly. NJ failed to qualify Beau Bennett, Jon Merrill & Devante Smith-Pelley. Calgary didn't qualify Joe Colborne or Joni Ortio.

Seems to me they are overthinking things, unless they have a handshake deal with these guys. If I didn't get qualified, I'd sure as poop test UFA waters.
- Jsaquella

Some surprises there for sure. It hurts the team's leverage in negotiations big time.

Some surprises there for sure. It hurts the team's leverage in negotiations big time.
- Nucker101

Ducks didn't qualify Brandon Pirri...there's some fairly attractive UFAs out there.

Arizona would have to sign players worth 7.5M in cap hits if they didn't have the dead cap space for Datsyuk. Why did Arizona acquire Datsyuk in the first place? Why is there a cap floor?
- MJL

So that 7.5 million dollars wouldn't have been spent in Detroit if it had stayed there. Now Detroit will spend that 7.5 million on players/player.

The players are still getting the 7.5 just from someone else who couldn't spend it before the trade.

The other questions have already been answered/are self explanatory.

Ducks didn't qualify Brandon Pirri...there's some fairly attractive UFAs out there.
- Jsaquella

Didn't they just trade a 6th rounder for him?

That's irrelevant in the context of the discussion.
- MJL

You asked.

Didn't they just trade a 6th rounder for him?
- PhillySportsGuy

NJ just traded a 3rd for Beau Bennett

Matthew Strome unless you want another name
- ob18

The other Strome?

Hmmmm...

No love for Yamamoto?

NJ just traded a 3rd for Beau Bennett
- Jsaquella

lol

NJ just traded a 3rd for Beau Bennett
- Jsaquella

Chaisson got moved. People were talking about him not being qualified on the thread earlier.

So that 7.5 million dollars wouldn't have been spent in Detroit if it had stayed there. Now Detroit will spend that 7.5 million on players/player.

The players are still getting the 7.5 just from someone else who couldn't spend it before the trade.

The other questions have already been answered/are self explanatory.
- mayorofangrytown

No matter what, there are mechanisms in place to ensure the 50/50 split, it's just a question of how the money is divided among the players. The reason for the cap floor is to ensure that each team spends a certain amount. Just as the league had a problem with salary paid out, exceeding cap hits paid out, so should the players for cap hits paid out, exceeding salary paid out. No matter what Detroit spends, there is still going to be 11M in cap hits paid, that counts towards the players share, without the salary paid out behind it.

The other Strome?

Hmmmm...

No love for Yamamoto?
- mayorofangrytown

I was actually looking at

Maxime Comtois
Callan Foote
Kristian Vesalainen
Eeli Tolvanen
Antoine Morand
Kasper Kotkansalo
Michael Rasmussen
Nicolas Hague
Robin Salo
Hugo Leufvenius
Juuso Välimäki
Stelio Mattheos
Urho Vaakanainen

NJ just traded a 3rd for Beau Bennett
- Jsaquella

I'd have gone ahead and took my shot with the 3rd.

You asked.
- PepinoPamplemousse

I did not ask why Detroit made the move.

Ducks didn't qualify Brandon Pirri...there's some fairly attractive UFAs out there.
- Jsaquella

I wonder if there's people that still think we can trade Matt read for more than a bag of poo?

Chaisson got moved. People were talking about him not being qualified on the thread earlier.
- mayorofangrytown

Yeah, but his team traded him. These other guys were just handed UFA status.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm getting a shot at UFA status 2-3 years early, I'm going to test the waters.

NJ just traded a 3rd for Beau Bennett
- Jsaquella

Umm yea what the heck is going on there? I'd have to imagine their close to resigning him

I wonder if there's people that still think we can trade Matt read for more than a bag of poo?
- Just5

Reminds me of the talk of not being able to trade Lecavalier, which I was one of who believed that. Read can be traded, although his value is limited. His value could be increased by the Flyers retaining salary.

I was actually looking at

Maxime Comtois
Callan Foote
Kristian Vesalainen
Eeli Tolvanen
Antoine Morand
Kasper Kotkansalo
Michael Rasmussen
Nicolas Hague
Robin Salo
Hugo Leufvenius
Juuso Välimäki
Stelio Mattheos
Urho Vaakanainen
- ob18

... but ya gotta love a Yamamoto my friend.

I hope he goes to Pittsburgh so their guy can slaughter his goal announcement so racially bad that they have to fire him.

or Boston.