I meant to allow contracts to terminate without penalty due to career-ending injuries like Savard's and Pronger's.
- jmatchett383

I don't think they should allow that. I think the way it's set up is about the best that can be done.

I get that...im just saying there is no proof that will make them better. This allows them to play young guys on ELCs and be more competitive over a team full over overpaid guys playing a line above what they would on a competitive team.

It really is the best case scenario in this situation....im baffled as to why people make such a big stink.

say the loophole doesnt exist. Chris Pronger knows hes not going to play until hes 40, but he still wants 50 million dollars from his contract. He should sign a deal with a higher AAV just to avoid dead years on the end of the deal? Would that not in fact raise his cap hit and take money from other players? Would it not make it harder to fit someone like him on an already competitive team, forcing a team to sacrifice depth to keep him around?

You cant look at this argument from one perspective. It allows players to get the most money and it allows GMs to get rid of guaranteed contracts when they are up against the cap to remain competitive. So again....who is really losing out in this deal?
- YuenglingJagr

The nature of the beast is that both sides try and gain an advantage, and exercise loopholes, that are within the rules at the time. Yet, we have a "retroactive" rule put in place to potentially punish teams, who signed players to contracts that were within the rules of the time, and ironically, approved by the league. The objective outlook is to look at it from the perspective of achieving the 50/50 split.

Counterpoint: frontloading contracts was just GMs using tools available to them, until it was suddenly a violation of the rules when NJD did it. This isn't just trading cap space, this is arguably circumventing the cap floor, and not by a little.
- BulliesPhan87

One thing is clear, neither the NHL or the NHLPA are very good at putting together a CBA that is free of loopholes, and just plain holes.

One thing is clear, neither the NHL or the NHLPA are very good at putting together a CBA that is free of loopholes, and just plain holes.
- MJL

You seem to think I'm sold on either side of this debate, but I really don't think I'm the one looking at this from a sole perspective. I guess I'm just playing devil's advocate.

@ the bolded portion, I don't think Chris Pronger is looking out for teams in his contract negotiations, he's looking out for Chris Pronger. The scenario you described is the one that now exists thanks to the last lockout.

You want my opinion on this? It's a bit of a mixed bag, and will probably factor into another pointless lockout in which they reshuffle the rules a bit and don't "fix" a whole lot.
- BulliesPhan87

That is fair...I replied to you, but really it was in reply to the idea that this is a bad thing in general. They are giving out guaranteed contracts to players. If the side effect of that is a couple deals getting traded because of cap space then so be it. Its much better than the NFL just constantly taking advantage of players.

I think it is currently the best system and the argument that it allows teams to circumvent the cap and put a poor product on the ice...I personally think its the obvious because its allowing them to ice a lineup thats' young and exciting.

MacDonald for Lupul?

Does it work?

Lupul has 2 years left?


Also for clarification did we get the AZ 3rd rounder next season? That would be 3 in the 3rd next season
- J35Bacher

Nope, Arizona sent us the 4th rounder they got from San Jose. Hextall traded it to NYI for a 2017 4th rounder

I really dont feel like Trayden Schenn for a #9-12 pick that might reach the 60 point mark six years from now
- Crimsoninja

Are you proud of what you just did here?

Nope, Arizona sent us the 4th rounder they got from San Jose. Hextall traded it to NYI for a 2017 4th rounder
- Jsaquella

Hexy knew this draft is shallow af

One thing is clear, neither the NHL or the NHLPA are very good at putting together a CBA that is free of loopholes, and just plain holes.
- MJL

Maybe there's no such thing, but you have to think they can do a little better, right?

Hexy knew this draft is shallow af
- Nucker101

I think that's one of the times the guy he wanted was gone & he didn't have a back up

Hexy knew this draft is shallow af
- Nucker101

The 4th rounder we traded will be used to draft an elite goal scorer who leads his team to the Stanley Cup Finals and decides not to show up.

I think that's one of the times the guy he wanted was gone & he didn't have a back up
- Jsaquella

TrAdE hExTaLl 4 A gOoD gM

That is fair...I replied to you, but really it was in reply to the idea that this is a bad thing in general. They are giving out guaranteed contracts to players. If the side effect of that is a couple deals getting traded because of cap space then so be it. Its much better than the NFL just constantly taking advantage of players.

I think it is currently the best system and the argument that it allows teams to circumvent the cap and put a poor product on the ice...I personally think its the obvious because its allowing them to ice a lineup thats' young and exciting.
- YuenglingJagr

Gotcha daug, no offense taken. I think that regardless of what system we end up with (now or in the future), we're gonna get sour grapes on both sides. As long as they're playing hockey and it makes relative sense, I'm happy enough.

That is fair...I replied to you, but really it was in reply to the idea that this is a bad thing in general. They are giving out guaranteed contracts to players. If the side effect of that is a couple deals getting traded because of cap space then so be it. Its much better than the NFL just constantly taking advantage of players.

I think it is currently the best system and the argument that it allows teams to circumvent the cap and put a poor product on the ice...I personally think its the obvious because its allowing them to ice a lineup thats' young and exciting.
- YuenglingJagr

Not that its wrong but I really think bringing up allowing a team to have young and exciting players is really confusing isues. Despite false claims by the league, the cap is simply about economics and limiting player salaries.

Not that its wrong but I really think bringing up allowing a team to have young and exciting players is really confusing isues. Despite false claims by the league, the cap is simply about economics and limiting player salaries.
- MJL

Agreed, the decade preceding the 04/05 lockout was proof that small market teams were more than capable with remaining competitive. It was 100% about money.

The 4th rounder we traded will be used to draft an elite goal scorer who leads his team to the Stanley Cup Finals and decides not to show up.
- jmatchett383

Nail Yakupov?

I think that's one of the times the guy he wanted was gone & he didn't have a back up
- Jsaquella

I think he couldve taken someone if he felt he had a target...but there were good reasons to move back...they already had a lot of picks...this gives them 9 for next year

plus its kind of a bet that the Isles wont make the SCF

Not that its wrong but I really think bringing up allowing a team to have young and exciting players is really confusing isues. Despite false claims by the league, the cap is simply about economics and limiting player salaries.
- MJL

I wasnt trying to say the issues were one in the same...it just got roped in with the argument that the hoophole takes money from other players

Nail Yakupov?
- Jsaquella

No, Nail Yakupov's destiny is to accidentally end up in a Stanley Cup final and snipe the Game 7 OT winner, enshrining him as one of the most "clutch" goal scorers of all time.

I wasnt trying to say the issues were one in the same...it just got roped in with the argument that the hoophole takes money from other players
- YuenglingJagr

It does. That's 11 million that could potentially be paid to players that need a job. There's also the flip side of players that are paid more in salary than their cap hits. None of that was the intention when setting up the cap. Again the perspective is the 50/50split

No, Nail Yakupov's destiny is to accidentally end up in a Stanley Cup final and snipe the Game 7 OT winner, enshrining him as one of the most "clutch" goal scorers of all time.
- jmatchett383

If that happens I am sure they will just replace the "cup" part of the trophy with him sliding across the ice on his knees

Forsberg scored over 60 points in his 20 and 21 year old seasons in the NHL...30+ goals too.

It is probably a signal Schenn gets more than people here expect but I dont think his cap hit should be above or at Forsberg level
- YuenglingJagr

Forsberg is a core player and a franchise level winger. He is, as you said, a 21 year old, who in both his first 2 seasons has outscored Schenn in his career year. He's a better ES scorer and possession player too. A much more prolific shooter as well.

They shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence (his agent will no doubt). I don't care what $$$ amount Schenn gets, so long as the contract is kept to 3 years.

It does. That's 11 million that could potentially be paid to players that need a job. There's also the flip side of players that are paid more in salary than their cap hits. None of that was the intention when setting up the cap. Again thebper a pectin is the 50/50split
- MJL

I disagree for all the reasons I already listed

MacDonald for Lupul?

Does it work?

Lupul has 2 years left?


Also for clarification did we get the AZ 3rd rounder next season? That would be 3 in the 3rd next season
- J35Bacher

Latest news on Lupul.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/...s-about-potential-buyout/

If the Toronto Maple Leafs are going to sign Steven Stamkos — and based on the latest reports, they’re sure going to try — they may have to clear some cap space to make it happen.

How might they accomplish that?

Well, one way would be to buy out oft-injured winger Joffrey Lupul.

The 32-year-old appeared in just 46 games last season, scoring 11 goals with only three assists. His last game was on Feb. 6. A few weeks later, he was shut down for the rest of the season, reportedly with a sports hernia. He has two years left on a contract with an annual cap hit of $5.25 million.

Of course, injured players can’t be bought out, and based on an interview Lupul did with the Toronto Sun on Saturday, he may still be hurting.

“I’m playing the waiting game,” Lupul told the Sun. “I’m trying to get healthy. That’s my focus right now. I haven’t heard anything (from the Leafs). I really can’t tell you anything.”

Forsberg is a core player and a franchise level winger. He is, as you said, a 21 year old, who in both his first 2 seasons has outscored Schenn in his career year. He's a better ES scorer and possession player too. A much more prolific shooter as well.

They shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. I don't care what $$$ amount Schenn gets, so long as the contract is kept to 3 years.
- Mononoke

Glad you showed up...I thought you might have Tommen'ed after spending all that time scouting prospects just to watch Hextall pass by all of them