Pass on dealing with the stars,we don't their garbage goalies

How about a sign and trade? Buffalo will give you their prize gem, Sam Reinhart for Stamkos.

Bishop and Drouin for Shattenkirk, Allen, one of our defensive prospects, and a 1st.


- carcus

If we're trading Drouin I want Parayko back, not Shattenkirk

If we're trading Drouin I want Parayko back, not Shattenkirk
- jvar17

We're not trading drouin

We're not trading drouin
- todd1a

Oh trust me I know, just having some fun playing around with the trade proposals

It feels like getting Kucherov on a long term deal for $6M would be a discount. He is worth every bit of $7M- $7.5M per long term.

It feels like getting Kucherov on a long term deal for $6M would be a discount. He is worth every bit of $7M- $7.5M per long term.
- kingcong39

Good thing the NHL uses comparables, 7M-7.5 is high based on his peers. The problem with a 6 year deal for Kucherov is it takes away 2 UFA years. For Forsberg it only took away 1 year and no years for Barkov. So if the Lightning want to sign to him a longer 6 year deal they will have to pay more, probably 6.5m a year. If Kucherov decides he wants to keep all his UFA years to chase huge money down the road the Bolts can sign him to a bridge 3-4 year deal at a cheaper rate say 4.5 and he doesn't lose any of his UFA. I would prefer a 6 year deal instead of bridge but we do know Yzerman is a hard negotiator so it will be interesting to see how his deal is structured,

How about

Bishop (1.5 retained and an agreed extension)

For

Honka
Niemi (1.5 retained)

We retain salary this year, but Bish is off the books next year. That money goes directly to Hedman.

Dallas gets the goalie-upgrade that they despretly needs. The goalie market i stacked but we get a very good D prospect in Honka.

I dont think we can get much more for Bishop right now. Everyone knows that we need to trade one of our goalies, and there are alot of avalible goalies in the market right now. Calgary arent looking at goalies anymore, that also decreases Bishops return.

How about

Bishop (1.5 retained and an agreed extension)

For

Honka
Niemi (1.5 retained)

We retain salary this year, but Bish is off the books next year. That money goes directly to Hedman.

Dallas gets the goalie-upgrade that they despretly needs. The goalie market i stacked but we get a very good D prospect in Honka.

I dont think we can get much more for Bishop right now. Everyone knows that we need to trade one of our goalies, and there are alot of avalible goalies in the market right now. Calgary arent looking at goalies anymore, that also decreases Bishops return.
- Cloud

Really?
Bish would be off the books anyway after this year, Niemi has two years, Bish one year

How about

Bishop (1.5 retained and an agreed extension)

For

Honka
Niemi (1.5 retained)

We retain salary this year, but Bish is off the books next year. That money goes directly to Hedman.

Dallas gets the goalie-upgrade that they despretly needs. The goalie market i stacked but we get a very good D prospect in Honka.

I dont think we can get much more for Bishop right now. Everyone knows that we need to trade one of our goalies, and there are alot of avalible goalies in the market right now. Calgary arent looking at goalies anymore, that also decreases Bishops return.
- Cloud

Net money saved 500k if Honka plays or 1.3 if he stays in the minors, next year Niemi 3 mil plus Vasy RFA
A good part of the money needed for Hedman next year will go to Niemi instead

How about

Bishop (1.5 retained and an agreed extension)

For

Honka
Niemi (1.5 retained)

We retain salary this year, but Bish is off the books next year. That money goes directly to Hedman.

Dallas gets the goalie-upgrade that they despretly needs. The goalie market i stacked but we get a very good D prospect in Honka.

I dont think we can get much more for Bishop right now. Everyone knows that we need to trade one of our goalies, and there are alot of avalible goalies in the market right now. Calgary arent looking at goalies anymore, that also decreases Bishops return.
- Cloud

The only way to save money This year is for draft picks or prospects. Getting a goalie in return doesn't solve anything if you're going with Vasy no. 1. You have Gudleveskis for a backup otherwise it doesn't pay to lose Bish. Right now it depends on Kuchs signing amount with what's left in the pot.

The only way to save money This year is for draft picks or prospects. Getting a goalie in return doesn't solve anything if you're going with Vasy no. 1. You have Gudleveskis for a backup otherwise it doesn't pay to lose Bish. Right now it depends on Kuchs signing amount with what's left in the pot.
- tpd11

This gives us 14.4M to resign Kuch (6), Killorn(4.75) and Namestikov(1.25). That leaves us 2.4M. Room for a 7th D.

I dont think we want to go into the season with Vasy/Guds tandem in net.

Im being realistic, who else are gonna trade for Bish? St.Louis or Ottawa maybe.

Good thing the NHL uses comparables, 7M-7.5 is high based on his peers. The problem with a 6 year deal for Kucherov is it takes away 2 UFA years. For Forsberg it only took away 1 year and no years for Barkov. So if the Lightning want to sign to him a longer 6 year deal they will have to pay more, probably 6.5m a year. If Kucherov decides he wants to keep all his UFA years to chase huge money down the road the Bolts can sign him to a bridge 3-4 year deal at a cheaper rate say 4.5 and he doesn't lose any of his UFA. I would prefer a 6 year deal instead of bridge but we do know Yzerman is a hard negotiator so it will be interesting to see how his deal is structured,
- stammerman

A two year bridge works better for everyone Kuch gets to pad his resume and the Bolts get to the other side of cap hell

Good thing the NHL uses comparables, 7M-7.5 is high based on his peers. The problem with a 6 year deal for Kucherov is it takes away 2 UFA years. For Forsberg it only took away 1 year and no years for Barkov. So if the Lightning want to sign to him a longer 6 year deal they will have to pay more, probably 6.5m a year. If Kucherov decides he wants to keep all his UFA years to chase huge money down the road the Bolts can sign him to a bridge 3-4 year deal at a cheaper rate say 4.5 and he doesn't lose any of his UFA. I would prefer a 6 year deal instead of bridge but we do know Yzerman is a hard negotiator so it will be interesting to see how his deal is structured,
- stammerman

Speaking of a comparable, is he that far off from Tarasenko?

He is two years younger and his production, while not the same, is close, and Tarasenko is getting $7.5M per.

I don't think $7M is high at all on a long term deal for Kucherov.

While a shorter term, lower deal is obviously ideal for your team, I would be surprised if he got signed for the $4.5M you suggested.

This gives us 14.4M to resign Kuch (6), Killorn(4.75) and Namestikov(1.25). That leaves us 2.4M. Room for a 7th D.

I dont think we want to go into the season with Vasy/Guds tandem in net.

Im being realistic, who else are gonna trade for Bish? St.Louis or Ottawa maybe.
- Cloud

Right now we pay 6.8 in goalies, with Niemi and Vasy increase we are paying the same next year so no real savings for Hedman. We have 13. Kuch 6? Killorn 3.75, Vlady 2 maybe 2.5. There is all year to the trade deadline and goalies get hurt all the time and teams are in need. Last year Vasy missed two months and Bish the last 6 games for an example.

This gives us 14.4M to resign Kuch (6), Killorn(4.75) and Namestikov(1.25). That leaves us 2.4M. Room for a 7th D.

I dont think we want to go into the season with Vasy/Guds tandem in net.

Im being realistic, who else are gonna trade for Bish? St.Louis or Ottawa maybe.
- Cloud

The Jets have space and Pavelec. Possible? And no I don't want Pavelec in a trade just an upgrade for the Jets

The Jets have space and Pavelec. Possible? And no I don't want Pavelec in a trade just an upgrade for the Jets
- tpd11

They have 2 young goalies in Hellebuyck and whatshisname.

They have 2 young goalies in Hellebuyck and whatshisname.
- Cloud

Exactly but enough of speculating we will see what Mr Yzerman does in the next few hours

Exactly but enough of speculating we will see what Mr Yzerman does in the next few hours
- tpd11

I am so impressed w mr stevie y. He has been even keel through all the drama the past year. The drouin situation didnt cause him to panic and trade away an elite talent. With the stamkos situation, he stayed true to his gameplan and it happened to work out wonderfully by resigning him to Yzermans terms. I completely trust in what he will do about Bishop. He wont trade him just to trade him. It helps the cap situation to do sooner but we have almost a full year before the expansion draft. Plus if we keep Bish until then we may lose him for nothing but it could help protect some of our other assets(vladdy, koekkoek) from being taken. Theres work to be done but have faith that every move yzerman makes is for the betterment of the team. We will lose some fan favorites. And not every move will work out as planned (carle) but the next year will prove how valuable yzerman is as our GM

Speaking of a comparable, is he that far off from Tarasenko?

He is two years younger and his production, while not the same, is close, and Tarasenko is getting $7.5M per.

I don't think $7M is high at all on a long term deal for Kucherov.

While a shorter term, lower deal is obviously ideal for your team, I would be surprised if he got signed for the $4.5M you suggested.
- kingcong39

Tarasenko got his deal before the cap stayed flat like Toews and Kane. That money is not there. And for the value of the contract it all depends on the UFA years. If the Lightning want to sign him longer like 6 years that eats two of Kuch's UFA years so they will pay more. I think 6 years at 6.5M is the number but if he wants all of his UFA years he can sign for 4 years and the Lightning will get a discount for sure 4.5 to 5M knowing they can lose him still in his prime. Its a crazy game to play.

My honest opinion he will sign for 6 years at 6-6.5M relinquishing 2 years of his UFA status.

Tarasenko got his deal before the cap stayed flat like Toews and Kane. That money is not there. And for the value of the contract it all depends on the UFA years. If the Lightning want to sign him longer like 6 years that eats two of Kuch's UFA years so they will pay more. I think 6 years at 6.5M is the number but if he wants all of his UFA years he can sign for 4 years and the Lightning will get a discount for sure 4.5 to 5M knowing they can lose him still in his prime. Its a crazy game to play.

My honest opinion he will sign for 6 years at 6-6.5M relinquishing 2 years of his UFA status.
- stammerman

Makes sense and not bad numbers for the Bolts

Tarasenko got his deal before the cap stayed flat like Toews and Kane. That money is not there. And for the value of the contract it all depends on the UFA years. If the Lightning want to sign him longer like 6 years that eats two of Kuch's UFA years so they will pay more. I think 6 years at 6.5M is the number but if he wants all of his UFA years he can sign for 4 years and the Lightning will get a discount for sure 4.5 to 5M knowing they can lose him still in his prime. Its a crazy game to play.

My honest opinion he will sign for 6 years at 6-6.5M relinquishing 2 years of his UFA status.
- stammerman

Lets just hope noone offer sheets him. With our cap situation we may be vulnerable.

Lets just hope noone offer sheets him. With our cap situation we may be vulnerable.
- zatara39

Big risk there are more than a couple teams that would want Kuch

I just saw the salary numbers for Stammer 9.5 for the first 5 years declining in the last three yes a cap hit of 8.5 per year but nice money after taxes for the next 5

Lets just hope noone offer sheets him. With our cap situation we may be vulnerable.
- zatara39

Meh...not too worried about this. Could he be? Absolutely. Will he be? Doubtful IMO

Someone would have to go above $9M for any offer the Bolts won't match and I just don't see that happening