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dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 7 @ 10:00 PM ET
It will be a long season if Burrows is in the top 6. Also, I'd be shocked if Virt isn't on the team
- CanuckDon


I think he'll be given a chance to make the team, let him and Gaunce, Rodin, Burrows, etc fight it out.
May the best man/boy win.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 7 @ 10:00 PM ET
Yeah they are the only ones picking, they will probably just submit a list of 14F 9D & 3G.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I knew they are only ones lol.

Was more of a wondering if it was like waivers where there is an order in which teams can pick a player off waivers.

So like LV would pick from say the cup winners 1st, etc down the standings team by team
WhatTheNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:02 PM ET
It will be a long season if Burrows is in the top 6. Also, I'd be shocked if Virt isn't on the team
- CanuckDon


I agree but I tried to balance the youth, scoring and defensive types to accommodate each line. In that mindset you could swap lines 2 and 3 to put Burrows in the bottom 6 instead.

I still think Benning has to be thinking of trading someone like Hansen and Sbisa. It would free up some spots and still have Gaunce as a call up. The defense is a bit more complicated but I would assume they would just carry 7 D man with one a healthy scratch to sort it out if no trade occurs.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:03 PM ET
They'll want to keep him for the playoffs.
- Marwood

lol
WhatTheNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:05 PM ET
I take your point about JVs ability to be sent down a play a larger role with UC.
My worry is that the Canucks lineup lacks that size without JV and seems awful soft. I am reluctant to pencil Rodin into the lineup ahead of Gaunce, JV, Burrows until he earns it.
He can ride the pine in the meantime.

- dbot


Can we have more than 1 in the pressbox as a healthy scratch? JV provides alot if he stays on the roster for sure but I see an issue with waivers if they can't decide and may just send him down to play top line minutes in Utica and if an injury happens he is first call with Gaunce second.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 7 @ 10:07 PM ET
I agree but I tried to balance the youth, scoring and defensive types to accommodate each line. In that mindset you could swap lines 2 and 3 to put Burrows in the bottom 6 instead.

I still think Benning has to be thinking of trading someone like Hansen and Sbisa. It would free up some spots and still have Gaunce as a call up. The defense is a bit more complicated but I would assume they would just carry 7 D man with one a healthy scratch to sort it out if no trade occurs.

- WhatTheNuck


Like to see Landeskog somehow if Hansen/Sbisa+ traded.
Burrows can play bottom 6 no probs then or sit.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jul 7 @ 10:07 PM ET
I knew they are only ones lol.

Was more of a wondering if it was like waivers where there is an order in which teams can pick a player off waivers.

So like LV would pick from say the cup winners 1st, etc down the standings team by team

- SMBDragon


But why would it matter ? How does it affect the Canucks if they pick from them first or last ? They will still take the same player no ?
WhatTheNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:08 PM ET
I think he'll be given a chance to make the team, let him and Gaunce, Rodin, Burrows, etc fight it out.
May the best man/boy win.

- dbot


Just think. If for whatever reason JV starts in Utica it could mean Rodin is worth a move like that and makes our team better going forward. I can't see them doing it just for purpose of waivers but it's possible.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jul 7 @ 10:09 PM ET
Like to see Ladeskog somehow if Hansen/Sbisa+ traded
- Nighthawk


You really need to let this thing with the avs giving you good players for a minimal return just go
WhatTheNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:09 PM ET
Like to see Landeskog somehow if Hansen/Sbisa+ traded.
Burrows can play bottom 6 no probs then or sit.

- Nighthawk


I just don't see it. Evander Kane maybe but not Landeskog.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 7 @ 10:09 PM ET
But why would it matter ? How does it affect the Canucks if they pick from them first or last ? They will still take the same player no ?
- Redmile247


True & only if a 2nd expansion were picking would it matter.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 7 @ 10:10 PM ET
I just don't see it. Evander Kane maybe but not Landeskog.
- WhatTheNuck


Wishful thinking on my part but Kane maybe at the price/deal.
A lightning rod is something to heavily consider though.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:11 PM ET
I think he'll be given a chance to make the team, let him and Gaunce, Rodin, Burrows, etc fight it out.
May the best man/boy win.

- dbot

Given a chance to make the team? He is on the team
WhatTheNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:13 PM ET
You really need to let this thing with the avs giving you good players for a minimal return just go
- Redmile247


I agree. It's not enough for Landeskog.

I would think it would be more along the lines of:

Baertschi, Boeser and a 1st.

And no I wouldn't do it.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:14 PM ET
I agree. It's not enough for Landeskog.

I would think it would be more along the lines of:

Baertschi, Boeser and a 1st.

And no I wouldn't do it.

- WhatTheNuck


You are probably right about the cost and no (frank)ing way we do it
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jul 7 @ 10:16 PM ET
I agree. It's not enough for Landeskog.

I would think it would be more along the lines of:

Baertschi, Boeser and a 1st.

And no I wouldn't do it.

- WhatTheNuck



I think your right on both ends
Canucks aren't in a spot to land anyone in a trade that's costing that much ...makes zero sense
WhatTheNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:21 PM ET
You are probably right about the cost and no (frank)ing way we do it
- CanuckDon


I think we just have to be patient. We are behind in the development of prospects and only time will mend it. Keep drafting and developing. If we somehow trade for a top 6 forward then awesome but I don't think Benning is stupid enough to mortgage the future to do so. Maybe pieces like Etem, Sbisa, Hansen, Gaunce and possibly Baertschi but other wise the cost isn't worth it imo. It would depend on alot of factors but I'd say we hold our cards and play it out until next year.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 7 @ 10:23 PM ET
You really need to let this thing with the avs giving you good players for a minimal return just go
- Redmile247

allsports
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jul 7 @ 10:23 PM ET
I take your point about JVs ability to be sent down a play a larger role with UC.
My worry is that the Canucks lineup lacks that size without JV and seems awful soft. I am reluctant to pencil Rodin into the lineup ahead of Gaunce, JV, Burrows until he earns it.
He can ride the pine in the meantime.

- dbot


We're not winning the cup next year are we? What's best for the team when we are ready to contend a 3rd or 4th line Virtanen who's only a banger? I still think he'd be better off playing top 6 and powerplay in Utica against a higher level than juniors. Look at how Detroit let Tatar, Nyquist, etc. develop on their farm teams then after 2 or more years they get called up and don't go back down because they're ready to play the roles the team wants them to play.

Let him become a power forward who can score.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:26 PM ET
I think we just have to be patient. We are behind in the development of prospects and only time will mend it. Keep drafting and developing. If we somehow trade for a top 6 forward then awesome but I don't think Benning is stupid enough to mortgage the future to do so. Maybe pieces like Etem, Sbisa, Hansen, Gaunce and possibly Baertschi but other wise the cost isn't worth it imo. It would depend on alot of factors but I'd say we hold our cards and play it out until next year.
- WhatTheNuck

Exactly right. Benning will cheat the rebuild a bit by moving guys like Mcaann and mid round pics but he won't sell our blue chip prospects or first rounders. We aren't close enough to contention for a move like this
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 7 @ 10:33 PM ET
Exactly right. Benning will cheat the rebuild a bit by moving guys like Mcaann and mid round pics but he won't sell our blue chip prospects or first rounders. We aren't close enough to contention for a move like this
- CanuckDon

This X 1000
WhatTheNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 7 @ 10:40 PM ET
Exactly right. Benning will cheat the rebuild a bit by moving guys like Mcaann and mid round pics but he won't sell our blue chip prospects or first rounders. We aren't close enough to contention for a move like this
- CanuckDon


Exactly. This is why I feel Evander Kane is the only possible move I could see working because he could probably be had cheaper. That big said, we could probably be outbid rather easily in that case. Reality has kind of set in with me and I'm not disappointed one bit. I just hope we improve and I think with the moves so far, it'll happen.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 7 @ 10:45 PM ET
Exactly. This is why I feel Evander Kane is the only possible move I could see working because he could probably be had cheaper. That big said, we could probably be outbid rather easily in that case. Reality has kind of set in with me and I'm not disappointed one bit. I just hope we improve and I think with the moves so far, it'll happen.
- WhatTheNuck


More probable agree.

I think we just have to be patient. We are behind in the development of prospects and only time will mend it. Keep drafting and developing. If we somehow trade for a top 6 forward then awesome but I don't think Benning is stupid enough to mortgage the future to do so. Maybe pieces like Etem, Sbisa, Hansen, Gaunce and possibly Baertschi but other wise the cost isn't worth it imo. It would depend on alot of factors but I'd say we hold our cards and play it out until next year.
- WhatTheNuck


These moving parts i agree with if a top 6 F to be had.
Patience if no deal helps us or is sensible.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 7 @ 10:48 PM ET
But why would it matter ? How does it affect the Canucks if they pick from them first or last ? They will still take the same player no ?
- Redmile247

depending on the process (which I dont recall from last exp draft how it was done) if say they were presented with a team by team basis and they took the BPA they could have say all their D and forwards by the time they reached us. (lets say if it was arranged by standings position or alphabetical)/ We have no quality goalie to expose so they'd perhaps be looked into a lesser player selection that way.

but I take it they submit the lists of all teams days ahead I would think. So they may already know who they want.

thats why I asked what the process was....so if it was like waivers order it could matter
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 7 @ 10:48 PM ET
Exactly. This is why I feel Evander Kane is the only possible move I could see working because he could probably be had cheaper. That big said, we could probably be outbid rather easily in that case. Reality has kind of set in with me and I'm not disappointed one bit. I just hope we improve and I think with the moves so far, it'll happen.
- WhatTheNuck



Why would you want Kane? Is he going to help get you over the top in the next two years or is he more likely to (frank) the kids up?
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