He's not incompetent what so ever, because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he's incompetent. It's the best league in the world with the best players and coaches, I'm seeing a learning curve for him, he's gotta adapt because what works at lower levels won't work against coaches who've been in the league for 500 to 1000 games and players that can carry out those coaches plans to a tee!
- LeftCoaster

thank you for putting it so well.

but I dont know if I see WD learning much at all. If he is its very very slow. Same mistakes from season 1

THe good thing is linden sees we need someone w lots of experience and experience in D. Jarvis is a good hire. Hopefully he will be allowed to run more than just special teams.

thank you for putting it so well.

but I dont know if I see WD learning much at all. If he is its very very slow. Same mistakes from season 1

THe good thing is linden sees we need someone w lots of experience and experience in D. Jarvis is a good hire. Hopefully he will be allowed to run more than just special teams.
- SMBDragon

If the team struggles defensively this year, Willie won't make it past January.

If the team struggles defensively this year, Willie won't make it past January.
- LeftCoaster

I fully believe the team will be much better this year. I hope so, because I want my team to win.
The D changes will be at least helpful and hopefully Jarvis will be permitted to implement structure defensively, like he did in boston. If this happens the team will win more and WD will get the credit for it by those who dont truly understand the jobs of nhl HC and assistants.
Unfortunately HC can get the credit for the work done by the rest....or take the fall for something that wasnt his area. If we can get another experienced coach w good knowledge of systems to replace lidster maybe WD can stay if he listens to them.

thank you for putting it so well.

but I dont know if I see WD learning much at all. If he is its very very slow. Same mistakes from season 1

THe good thing is linden sees we need someone w lots of experience and experience in D. Jarvis is a good hire. Hopefully he will be allowed to run more than just special teams.
- SMBDragon

He took a team who everyone wrote off to fail into the playoffs his first year, his second year his team had Horvat on the second line (which management didnt want) and Edler Hamhuis out for most of the season, we didnt have depth enough, the only fault i see in willie is giving Dorsett the extra minutes, and leaning on Miller to much which seems like will change this year.

He's not incompetent what so ever, because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he's incompetent. It's the best league in the world with the best players and coaches, I'm seeing a learning curve for him, he's gotta adapt because what works at lower levels won't work against coaches who've been in the league for 500 to 1000 games and players that can carry out those coaches plans to a tee!
- LeftCoaster

I like Willie

thats right. Thats what Ive been saying the last 1.5 years, there is nothing in place for a defensive system. There needs to be a framework positionally for D to work in, where passes should be directed, patterns to exit own zone etc. As soon as the current crew came in behind the bench the D sucked and looked lost.
- SMBDragon

I agree, there were NO defensive systems. I tried to see a pattern, any pattern, that would indicate the Canucks were doing something consistently in the defensive zone, but there'd be nothing. It was all ad hoc.

The system was, no system. i don't know if they were trying to fool the other guys or what, but whatever it was doesn't work...

If the team struggles defensively this year, Willie won't make it past January.
- LeftCoaster

This I agree with. I think if our defense stays healthy this year we will be much improved team over last 2 seasons. It's funny Dragon rags on no defensive system but it's just not true. I think the issue was the defense not executing the system and with a few new faces it will be deeper if injuries take their toll.

I can only hope we just have a healthier year as a whole and pray we can spread out the minutes to prevent those injuries. Gudbranson will do wonders in that area. If Hutton can have amother solid year while that happens, we have a shot at the WC for playoffs.

If only we could trade Miller to San Jose...

I agree, there were NO defensive systems. I tried to see a pattern, any pattern, that would indicate the Canucks were doing something consistently in the defensive zone, but there'd be nothing. It was all ad hoc.

The system was, no system. i don't know if they were trying to fool the other guys or what, but whatever it was doesn't work...
- kaptaan

With guys like Weber, Bartowski, Biega, Sbisa and Tryamkin playing on the team it's no wonder they had no success. That looks like an AHL defense with the exception of Tanev. No wonder they were bad.

Totally WD's fault...give it a rest.

I agree, there were NO defensive systems. I tried to see a pattern, any pattern, that would indicate the Canucks were doing something consistently in the defensive zone, but there'd be nothing. It was all ad hoc.

The system was, no system. i don't know if they were trying to fool the other guys or what, but whatever it was doesn't work...
- kaptaan

THats correct. Im glad you watched for this. More and more people are starting to notice this. All you have to do is watch games looking for structure.

Jarvis CAN help us w this if he is permitted to employ his skills in this area and not just run special teams only. Good hire.

This I agree with. I think if our defense stays healthy this year we will be much improved team over last 2 seasons. It's funny Dragon rags on no defensive system but it's just not true. I think the issue was the defense not executing the system and with a few new faces it will be deeper if injuries take their toll.

I can only hope we just have a healthier year as a whole and pray we can spread out the minutes to prevent those injuries. Gudbranson will do wonders in that area. If Hutton can have amother solid year while that happens, we have a shot at the WC for playoffs.

If only we could trade Miller to San Jose...
- WhatTheNuck

and you base that on what evidence? Look, its fact. Systems are used by many nhl teams. We dont have one. Anyone who watches this team the last seasons try to exit our own zone can see this.

And no I dont blame it solely on WD...its the assistants too, which he picked.
Look the last 2 seasons our defense has sucked bad. Since they got there. Look bad at other posts by other posters who also say the same.

Just because you dont see it doesnt make it untrue. Im sure you will see if you look for it in the future, unless Jarvis revamp the D that is

and you base that on what evidence? Look, its fact. Systems are used by many nhl teams. We dont have one. Anyone who watches this team the last seasons try to exit our own zone can see this.

And no I dont blame it solely on WD...its the assistants too, which he picked.
Look the last 2 seasons our defense has sucked bad. Since they got there. Look bad at other posts by other posters who also say the same.

Just because you dont see it doesnt make it untrue.
- SMBDragon

To say we have no system is dumb though. This is the NHL and it's pretty obvious how bad our defense was for sure. We play with a terrible defense and it becomes a NO system issue? I can admit whatever they tried didn't work but I can't concede and say there was nothing in place. I think at this level if there was no system he would've been let go already. I think it's fair to be critical of how things have been and I'm not trying to say he doesnt deserve some constructive criticism but when management is still saying good things then I think there has to be a system and it's just sorting out the right personnel to execute that system. After seeing who played on our defense it's no wonder we sucked. You could pick any coach out here and they would have got the same results out of those plugs.

It's incredibly arrogant to keep stating if someone doesn't see the same things you do they are wrong.

If the team struggles defensively this year, Willie won't make it past January.
- LeftCoaster

Don't quote me.

Funny to read the posts about what if's and we'll see situations. All I can say is hopefully Willie has learned and adapted for next season.

and you base that on what evidence? Look, its fact. Systems are used by many nhl teams. We dont have one. Anyone who watches this team the last seasons try to exit our own zone can see this.

And no I dont blame it solely on WD...its the assistants too, which he picked.
Look the last 2 seasons our defense has sucked bad. Since they got there. Look bad at other posts by other posters who also say the same.

Just because you dont see it doesnt make it untrue. Im sure you will see if you look for it in the future, unless Jarvis revamp the D that is
- SMBDragon

Chasing the puck, no boxing out, grouping close together. It was all very scattered. Also i should mention I rarely saw a guy in front of the net both D would fight behind the net counting on the other to loosen the puck out which lead to way to many chances on the goalies and also hung your forwards out to dry. Which instead they should be bringing a forward in low to move the puck out. This would allow your defence in their zone to actually defend. That seems to me like guys don't know what their job is in the defensive zone.

When the defence scores as little as our it says they have a hard time knowing when to jump in the play. Either the system is too complicated or there is no system and they don't want to make a mistake in the offensive zone. Both limit a players ability to make decisions. Drop pass anyone?

Funny to read the posts about what if's and we'll see situations. All I can say is hopefully Willie has learned and adapted for next season.
- manvanfan

I think he will. You have to adapt to stay relevant in this league. Leftie touched on it. I think WD will be much better this season. If not he will become Eakins 2.0.

I think he will. You have to adapt to stay relevant in this league. Leftie touched on it. I think WD will be much better this season. If not he will become Eakins 2.0.
- thundachunk

Coaches styles don't fit every team.

Interesting video ...

https://www.youtube.com/w...iKYIkUBeYrU&feature=share

Don't quote me.
- thundachunk

You rarely have anything worthy of quoting, unless I feel like making fun of someone


Kidding

You rarely have anything worthy of quoting, unless I feel like making fun of someone


Kidding
- LeftCoaster

You rarely have anything worthy of quoting, unless I feel like making fun of someone


Kidding
- LeftCoaster

I don't think Chicago will make the playoffs this year.

and you base that on what evidence? Look, its fact. Systems are used by many nhl teams. We dont have one. Anyone who watches this team the last seasons try to exit our own zone can see this.

And no I dont blame it solely on WD...its the assistants too, which he picked.
Look the last 2 seasons our defense has sucked bad. Since they got there. Look bad at other posts by other posters who also say the same.

Just because you dont see it doesnt make it untrue. Im sure you will see if you look for it in the future, unless Jarvis revamp the D that is
- SMBDragon

Are we doing this again? The bolded part is not "fact", because in reality all NHL teams have systems. This isn't something new like fancy stats, coaches having systems has been around for decades. Now the system might not be very good, it might be poorly communicated to the players, or it might be absurdly complex that the players have a hard time understanding it, that would be the coach's fault. Communicating is the attribute the best coaches have, even above tactician. He can be brilliant strategist, but if he can't get his players to understand who and where they need to be, its all for nothing

The flip side, which is also true, is that this is the NHL. If the learning curve is steep for coaches, its even steeper for defensemen. Thats why some believe its the fault of the young guys (and subpar talent like Weber/Bart) for the visible chaos in the Vancouver end. With a healthy team, the D zone should improve but like Lefty says if the season results aren't going well by midseason WD will take the fall

Are we doing this again? The bolded part is not "fact", because in reality all NHL teams have systems. This isn't something new like fancy stats, coaches having systems has been around for decades. Now the system might not be very good, it might be poorly communicated to the players, or it might be absurdly complex that the players have a hard time understanding it, that would be the coach's fault. Communicating is the attribute the best coaches have, even above tactician. He can be brilliant strategist, but if he can't get his players to understand who and where they need to be, its all for nothing

The flip side, which is also true, is that this is the NHL. If the learning curve is steep for coaches, its even steeper for defensemen. Thats why some believe its the fault of the young guys (and subpar talent like Weber/Bart) for the visible chaos in the Vancouver end. With a healthy team, the D zone should improve but like Lefty says if the season results aren't going well by midseason WD will take the fall
- WhiteLie

LOL, of course every single team has a system. What do you think they learn in practices. May not always be executed well, or the other team is better at implanting their system over Vans. Man how could that guy think they don't have a system?

Personally, I don't buy into that, when your team allows 250 goals against, you're not employing defensive systems properly. Anyone can be taught to defend, as opposed to offensive instincts, which you either have, or you don't.

It's really boring hockey to watch, but defence wins games.
- LeftCoaster

Agree to a point…but having the right mix of players is always key which is why I mention personnel. 10 teams in this league have excellent D…10 teams have mediocre D and ten teams have crappy D and we were in the bottom 10 last year. Anyone can't be taught to defend. That doesn't wash at the NHL level or all 30 teams would be unreal defensively.

Which is why I mentioned Lidster. I do think that he is the weaker link in the staff. But not having a 'system' at this level like other suggest? Ridiculous.

If we had Karlsson Doughty Keith and Seabrook on this club even Lidster would look like a genius. It starts with players…then you coach what you need into them to get results. When Edler and Tanev are our top 2 well…you get what you get regardless of coaching.

Coaches styles don't fit every team.
- manvanfan

very true.

Agree to a point…but having the right mix of players is always key which is why I mention personnel. 10 teams in this league have excellent D…10 teams have mediocre D and ten teams have crappy D and we were in the bottom 10 last year. Anyone can't be taught to defend. That doesn't wash at the NHL level or all 30 teams would be unreal defensively.

Which is why I mentioned Lidster. I do think that he is the weaker link in the staff. But not having a 'system' at this level like other suggest? Ridiculous.

If we had Karlsson Doughty Keith and Seabrook on this club even Lidster would look like a genius. It starts with players…then you coach what you need into them to get results. When Edler and Tanev are our top 2 well…you get what you get regardless of coaching.
- LordHumungous