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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:44 PM ET
They drafted him to score goals. If third liner is his ceiling, he's merely a throw in for any trade that's makes an impact.
- buffalofan19

Or someone who can play, and play cheaply, and allow you to move out a bad contract.

Depth helps teams win. I'm not arguing that Armia is an All-Star
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ICE DIRECTOR SAYS OVER 13 THOUSAND MURDERERS CROSSED OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 14 @ 12:44 PM ET
They drafted him to score goals. If third liner is his ceiling, he's merely a throw in for any trade that's makes an impact.
- buffalofan19

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
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Jul 14 @ 12:45 PM ET
Ennis has shown what he can do.

Armia couldn't get out of his own way in the AHL.

- dadeadhead

So has Nash. You keep flip flopping on your logic
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 14 @ 12:45 PM ET

Depth helps teams win. I'm not arguing that Armia is an All-Star

- sbroads24

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:45 PM ET
Armia at 925k > Ennis at 4.6 mil

Ennis had 4 goals in what 20 something games? Since we are just using small sample sizes, I'd say his value is way, way off

- sbroads24



Ennis while it's known is not my favorite averages .55 ppg in his last 3 years.

I would take that over a guy that was drafted to be a goal scorer who now just kills penalties and doesn't generate scoring chances by his lack of shots.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 14 @ 12:45 PM ET
A dime a dozen player.
- dadeadhead

I'd rather have Flynn on my 3rd line than armia
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 14 @ 12:46 PM ET

- homiedclown



John Scott increased the value of just about every player in the league.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:46 PM ET
Or someone who can play, and play cheaply, and allow you to move out a bad contract.

Depth helps teams win. I'm not arguing that Armia is an All-Star

- sbroads24



And they have that with

Bailey
Baptiste
Fasching
Carrier
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:47 PM ET
I'd rather have Flynn on my 3rd line than armia
- homiedclown

Another depth guy just walked out the door
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:47 PM ET
I'd rather have Flynn on my 3rd line than armia
- homiedclown


Agreed.
seedy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: you don't need an ignore button to ignore someone., CA
Joined: 02.22.2007

Jul 14 @ 12:47 PM ET
I can see not wanting to give up Girgs, but I would move Franson and Ennis in a heartbeat, because IMO both are gone next year anyways.
Either way, this is why I have been harping on drafting well and not overpaying with prospects and picks over the past 2 years.
It would be nice to add Nash, and have guys ready to step in if you had to clear a bad contract or 2.
Laugh all you want, but who wouldn't swap Ennis for Armia or Compher if it meant saving 2.5-3 mil and adding a bonafide player like Nash?
Who wouldn't swap McNabb for Gorges and save 2.5 mil?
- sbroads24



I wouldn't swap Ennis for Armia. I don't understand your infatuation with Armia. He is not good.
Maybe Compher but he has yet to play a NHL game.
McNabb plays on a team that hides his weaknesses.

- Stripes77


Plus, isn't this exactly what we're doing with Bailey, Nylander, Fasching, etc?
As players like Gionta and Kane come off the books, they will be brought up.
Armia was supposed to be playing in the NHL a year or two ago. Those guys that were traded away didnt fit the timetable. They werent going to sit in Rochester for 1/2 a decade and wait for Ennis contract to expire.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 14 @ 12:48 PM ET
Another depth guy just walked out the door
- sbroads24

what pissed me off on flynn, is he could play either 3rd or 4th line and actually play that role


instead we got f@cking floaters
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
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Jul 14 @ 12:48 PM ET
And they have that with

Bailey
Baptiste
Fasching
Carrier

- dadeadhead

All those have a chance to be way better. Armia failed .
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:48 PM ET
And they have that with

Bailey
Baptiste
Fasching
Carrier

- dadeadhead

So my question is again....Why can't we move out some guys to get Nash?

It isn't Armia vs. Ennis
It is Nash+ Armia vs Ennis

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:48 PM ET
Another depth guy just walked out the door
- sbroads24



Brian Flynn went undrafted Armia is first rounder that should have been a 3rd rounder based on him being a depth guy at this point
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 14 @ 12:48 PM ET
Another depth guy just walked out the door
- sbroads24



You can easily add that depth at the trade deadline for next to nothing. That's how this league works. The teams that aren't contenders ship them out.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 14 @ 12:49 PM ET
moulson and a 2nd for nash

do you do it?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 14 @ 12:49 PM ET
moulson and a 2nd for nash

do you do it?

- homiedclown



Do the Rangers?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 14 @ 12:49 PM ET
Brian Flynn went undrafted Armia is first rounder that should have been a 3rd rounder based on him being a depth guy at this point
- Stripes77

lion eater disagrees
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:50 PM ET
moulson and a 2nd for nash

do you do it?

- homiedclown

Would have to be a cap hit like Moulson going out to have the room.

Yes I would.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 14 @ 12:50 PM ET
Do the Rangers?
- buffalofan19

gives them almost 3 mil in cap relief for the next 2 years
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
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Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 14 @ 12:50 PM ET
moulson and a 2nd for nash

do you do it?

- homiedclown


We would be stupid not to
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:51 PM ET
So my question is again....Why can't we move out some guys to get Nash?

It isn't Armia vs. Ennis
It is Nash+ Armia vs Ennis

- sbroads24



I would still take Ennis and his 4.6 cap hit over Nash and Armia and their combined $8.8 million cap hit if I am thinking long term and I like Nash.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jul 14 @ 12:51 PM ET
We would be stupid not to
- GERBE!!!75PTS

With that response,,,,, The Rags wouldn't.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 12:51 PM ET
moulson and a 2nd for nash

do you do it?

- homiedclown



Yes now that's something worth talking about
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