They should have drafted Sergachev or Tkachuk anyways.
- fiveandagame

Don't start!!!

I really like how Benning thinks when he drafts, I love the Virtanen and Juolevi picks, the Demko and Tryamkin picks, the Brisebois and Boeser picks….rest assured, he is building some really good young players here.

Impossible to make Canucks fans happy.

Naslund never led the team to a cup victory and actually admitted to choking. We should have kept Stojanov and saved a bunch of cap space
- fiveandagame

For as much as I really liked Pat Quinn, he was terrible at drafting, but excellent at trading.

Still pretty tired from our work on here yesterday.
- Marwood

It was a great day. Special thanks to StinkerBell and Striker

Don't start!!!

I really like how Benning thinks when he drafts, I love the Virtanen and Juolevi picks, the Demko and Tryamkin picks, the Brisebois and Boeser picks….rest assured, he is building some really good young players here.
- LeftCoaster

Which is why we don't need 2nd round picks. Benning is so good at drafting he will find gems in the later rounds.

It was a great day. Special thanks to StinkerBell and Striker
- CanuckDon

Well we still have Classic & kaptaan.

Which is why we don't need 2nd round picks. Benning is so good at drafting he will find gems in the later rounds.
- fiveandagame

Yet to be determined.

For as much as I really liked Pat Quinn, he was terrible at drafting, but excellent at trading.
- LeftCoaster

Pavel says Hi

Pavel says Hi
- thundachunk

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again


BTW....he cheated on that one.

Yet to be determined.
- LeftCoaster

I was being sarcastic. I think you will see less draft picks being dealt going forward unless he is getting a legit top 6 forward or top 4 defenceman. Even though there are still some holes in the line up I think he has rolled enough of the roster over and bridged the age gap enough that now his main focus can be drafting a developing.

I was being sarcastic. I think you will see less draft picks being dealt going forward unless he is getting a legit top 6 forward or top 4 defenceman. Even though there are still some holes in the line up I think he has rolled enough of the roster over at this point and bridged the age gap enough that now his main focus can be drafting a developing.
- fiveandagame

I know….I just got busy watching Phil Mickelson trying to make history at the Open Championship. Thus the short reply.

I know….I just got busy watching Phil Mickelson trying to make history at the Open Championship. Thus the short reply.
- LeftCoaster

I was being sarcastic. I think you will see less draft picks being dealt going forward unless he is getting a legit top 6 forward or top 4 defenceman. Even though there are still some holes in the line up I think he has rolled enough of the roster over and bridged the age gap enough that now his main focus can be drafting a developing.
- fiveandagame

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again


BTW....he cheated on that one.
- LeftCoaster

At least he didn't get banned from GM duties like him coaching.

Just to clarify - You mean 30% of 2nds actually play a game right? When I said 'very very low" I meant the amount of them become significant players that make a difference being in the lineup.

Anyways, I agree Bennings drafting is by far his best asset/skill. I want more as well. I think in terms of what Vantal said about actually injecting those players into the lineup is essentially the only way they're/we going to get better. (its the definition of draft and develop)

I'm not sure if between the years of 2007-2012 if the players we drafted were just not good enough to warrant a shot at the big league or they were just not given a shot bcus we had no room. Either way, few ever got a chance so we'll never really know - and that's the difference - now we're actually giving those players like Hutton and Tram - who were selected later in the draft a chance to play.
- Brooks_Light

There are number of different studies that have looked through usually a large sample of drafts and have shown what % of 2nd rounds picks become at the very least "replacement level " NHLers.

Yost did one a while ago showing that 44% of 2nd round picks have gone on to play a minimum ( each not average) of 50 games as an NHLer over the past 10 years.

Scott Cullen has down a few different studies breaking down each individual pick up to 30 and then in groups of 5 in the 2nd round , groups of 10 in the 3rd round and groups of 15 in the 4th rounds. For example for picks 31-35, 34% of players have gone on to play at least 100 games in the NHL.

His data shows that 2nd round picks play a minimum of 100 games around 30% of the time.

There are number of different studies that have looked through usually a large sample of drafts and have shown what % of 2nd rounds picks become at the very least "replacement level " NHLers.

Yost did one a while ago showing that 44% of 2nd round picks have gone on to play a minimum ( each not average) of 50 games as an NHLer over the past 10 years.

Scott Cullen has down a few different studies breaking down each individual pick up to 30 and then in groups of 5 in the 2nd round , groups of 10 in the 3rd round and groups of 15 in the 4th rounds. For example for picks 31-35, 34% of players have gone on to play at least 100 games in the NHL.

His data shows that 2nd round picks play a minimum of 100 games around 30% of the time.
- belcherbd

That is a replacement level player...if you play a 100 NHL games you can be acquired for free in the summer ie. Cracknell. A more interesting study would be what % are impact players. The definition could be 100 goals for a forward or 400 games played for a defensemen. Essentially stating that 30% of second round picks are a replacement level player or better is fairly meaningless.

At least he didn't get banned from GM duties like him coaching.
- thundachunk

So Jiri Hudler eh? I sure hope its a two year deal

So Jiri Hudler eh? I sure hope its a two year deal
- neem55

WTF

There are number of different studies that have looked through usually a large sample of drafts and have shown what % of 2nd rounds picks become at the very least "replacement level " NHLers.

Yost did one a while ago showing that 44% of 2nd round picks have gone on to play a minimum ( each not average) of 50 games as an NHLer over the past 10 years.

Scott Cullen has down a few different studies breaking down each individual pick up to 30 and then in groups of 5 in the 2nd round , groups of 10 in the 3rd round and groups of 15 in the 4th rounds. For example for picks 31-35, 34% of players have gone on to play at least 100 games in the NHL.

His data shows that 2nd round picks play a minimum of 100 games around 30% of the time.
- belcherbd

Games played is really misleading, I love some studies on draft picks in round 2 and beyond and what the odds are of finding an 'impact' player (which might mean different things to different people) not just a player that happens to play X amount of games in the NHL

WTF
- LordHumungous

Haha it is only a Eklund, but I've heard his name connected to Canucks too many times now to overlook it

That is a replacement level player...if you play a 100 NHL games you can be acquired for free in the summer ie. Cracknell. A more interesting study would be what % are impact players. The definition could be 100 goals for a forward or 400 games played for a defensemen. Essentially stating that 30% of second round picks are a replacement level player or better is fairly meaningless.
- CanuckDon

Sorry Don….but, that's just a copout. It's important to build with the second round picks as well. Demko was found in the second round, he could become the greatest goaltender in Canuck history. You don't find those guys on the UFA market.

I'm not getting into it, but, your constant pom-pom waiving is a bit jaded. Benning, my assumption, isn't looking for replacement level players when he drafts, he's looking for quality NHL players.

The examples of great NHL'ers picked in the second round are bountiful. All you've gotta do is hit on one of them.

And yes I know why he was trading 2nd's in recent years, I just hope he's done.

That is a replacement level player...if you play a 100 NHL games you can be acquired for free in the summer ie. Cracknell. A more interesting study would be what % are impact players. The definition could be 100 goals for a forward or 400 games played for a defensemen. Essentially stating that 30% of second round picks are a replacement level player or better is fairly meaningless.
- CanuckDon

You are ignoring the qualifier that this is the minimum. What it does is provide context that at minimum those players end up being Cracknell and there are studies that break down the impact as well. Scott Cullen has done a lot of research on it, if you are interested in learning more.

For example the 5th overall pick has a 85% chance of playing 100 games. Of those players 10% of them go on to become an NHL regular or worse ( ranked a 5 in his score), 55% go on to be top6 or top 4 or better (ranked a 7).

http://www2.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=455673

Sorry Don….but, that's just a copout. It's important to build with the second round picks as well. Demko was found in the second round, he could become the greatest goaltender in Canuck history. You don't find those guys on the UFA market.

I'm not getting into it, but, your constant pom-pom waiving is a bit jaded. Benning, my assumption, isn't looking for replacement level players when he drafts, he's looking for quality NHL players.

The examples of great NHL'ers picked in the second round are bountiful. All you've gotta do is hit on one of them.

And yes I know why he was trading 2nd's in recent years, I just hope he's done.
- LeftCoaster

What did my post have to do with Benning or the value of a 2nd round pick? I was merely stating that the current system of placing value on later picks is fairly meaningless.

Impossible to make Canucks fans happy.

Naslund never led the team to a cup victory and actually admitted to choking. We should have kept Stojanov and saved a bunch of cap space
- fiveandagame

I can remember the hysteria back then, this place was insane with drama queens... Thanks for the memories...

You are ignoring the qualifier that this is the minimum. What it does is provide context that at minimum those players end up being Cracknell and there are studies that break down the impact as well. Scott Cullen has done a lot of research on it, if you are interested in learning more.

For example the 5th overall pick has a 85% chance of playing 100 games. Of those players 10% of them go on to become an NHL regular or worse ( ranked a 5 in his score), 55% go on to be top6 or top 4 or better (ranked a 7).

http://www2.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=455673
- belcherbd

My previous post

That is a replacement level player...if you play a 100 NHL games you can be acquired for free in the summer ie. Cracknell. A more interesting study would be what % are impact players. The definition could be 100 goals for a forward or 400 games played for a defensemen. Essentially stating that 30% of second round picks are a replacement level player or better is fairly meaningless.

See bolded. I clearly state that they are replacement level or better. This post has nothing to do with Benning or the value of a 2nd round pick
I am saying that I don't like the "100 game or more" qualifier for the value of a draft pick. It doesn't provide meaningful information.