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LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 13 @ 5:41 PM ET
The Canucks didn't need to tear it down but they did need to maximize returns & not make trades to try & stay in playoff contention. Boston is in a transitional rebuild, they dressed 11 players in key roles last season that had 2 or less seasons of NHL experience when the season started. The Canucks should have followed a similiar model.

Why were Virtanen & McCann retained but barely played? Why give away McCann & a bunch of picks away for a borderline #4 Dman at best in Gubranson, that can hit & play physically but that's about it & he declined a 5 year 5 million dollar deal from Florida? 2 years to UFA status & thinks he's something he's not. Which is a slightly above average Defensive Dman that likes to pull himself out of position to hit people. We have that asset & he's over paid as well his name is Sbisa.

Is it 1970 again & I just woke up from a nice dream. This team is a mess & the prospect cupboard is virtually bare. Don't get me wrong I like Horvat, Virtanen, & Hutton, 3 good young hockey players & I assume Broeser, Demko & Julolevi will all be solid NHL players eventually but it's ugly after that.

1st off I would have selected Sergachev if I was selecting a Dman but at #5 but I wouldn't have I would have selected Tkachuk with the pick. Benning looked sick when he walked to the mike after Columbus selected Dubois.

- striker777

I agree with you and disagree with you at the same time. Benning, who I don't like as a GM personally, except his drafting, can't fix or undo ten years of bad management in two years...it's impossible.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jul 13 @ 5:45 PM ET
Some epic crying going on today.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jul 13 @ 5:45 PM ET
Some epic crying going on today.
- Marwood

mildly entertaining
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 13 @ 5:46 PM ET
Some epic crying going on today.
- Marwood

It's good to get your feeling out. Holding them inside isn't healthy
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 13 @ 5:46 PM ET
The Canucks didn't need to tear it down but they did need to maximize returns & not make trades to try & stay in playoff contention. Boston is in a transitional rebuild, they dressed 11 players in key roles last season that had 2 or less seasons of NHL experience when the season started. The Canucks should have followed a similiar model.

Why were Virtanen & McCann retained but barely played? Why give away McCann & a bunch of picks away for a borderline #4 Dman at best in Gubranson, that can hit & play physically but that's about it & he declined a 5 year 5 million dollar deal from Florida? 2 years to UFA status & thinks he's something he's not. Which is a slightly above average Defensive Dman that likes to pull himself out of position to hit people. We have that asset & he's over paid as well his name is Sbisa.

Is it 1970 again & I just woke up from a nice dream. This team is a mess & the prospect cupboard is virtually bare. Don't get me wrong I like Horvat, Virtanen, & Hutton, 3 good young hockey players & I assume Broeser, Demko & Julolevi will all be solid NHL players eventually but it's ugly after that.

1st off I would have selected Sergachev if I was selecting a Dman but at #5 but I wouldn't have I would have selected Tkachuk with the pick. Benning looked sick when he walked to the mike after Columbus selected Dubois.

- striker777

Do us all a favor and go cheer for the Bruins.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 13 @ 5:47 PM ET
Take your tears over to the HF Boards Striker
the best thing Linden has done since taking over is losing you as a season ticket holder

- CanuckDon

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 13 @ 5:48 PM ET
It's good to get your feeling out. Holding them inside isn't healthy
- LeftCoaster



Like farting
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 13 @ 5:50 PM ET
Some epic crying going on today.
- Marwood

more tear pies for us.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 13 @ 5:53 PM ET
How anyone can NOT think the Canucks are rebuilding, is beyond me?? They are rebuilding! And what's "the proper way"? Is there such a thing as the proper way? If there is, can someone please explain it to me.

In the past four years the Canucks have picked six times in the first round...six! Including a 5th, 6th and 9th overall. Those are excellent draft positions!

The asset management part I get, to me, it's been terrible. So is only picking ONCE in the second round in the previous four drafts. That's where Benning loses me, but I do understand trying to be competitive while the Sedins are here.

There's seven kids under the age of 25 on the team now, Gudbranson, Etem, Virtanen, Hutton, Horvat, Granlund, Baertschi and possibly Gaunce and Pedan. Are any of them stars, no, but that's a lot of youth he's brought in.

Next year if he doesn't draft in rounds 1-2-3 and acquire more picks....he's truly lost me.

- LeftCoaster


Good point(s)
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 13 @ 5:54 PM ET
Like farting
- VANTEL

Amen
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jul 13 @ 5:56 PM ET
more tear pies for us.
- A_SteamingLombardi

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 13 @ 5:58 PM ET
Some epic crying going on today.
- Marwood


I am crying too Carol pulled an ASL and trolled us by including the article in her blog
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 13 @ 6:00 PM ET
Good point(s)
- walshyleafsfan

In the last three years Benning has drafted Virtanen Tryamkin and MCCann who are currently in the NHL and have Demko Boeser Brisebois and Juolevi that will all be in the NHL . Seven Draft Picks in three years is a pretty significant number. You can't have a team of 23 players on your roster under the age of 22. Sometimes you need to use this picks to worry about the present.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 13 @ 6:03 PM ET
How anyone can NOT think the Canucks are rebuilding, is beyond me?? They are rebuilding! And what's "the proper way"? Is there such a thing as the proper way? If there is, can someone please explain it to me.

In the past four years the Canucks have picked six times in the first round...six! Including a 5th, 6th and 9th overall. Those are excellent draft positions!

The asset management part I get, to me, it's been terrible. So is only picking ONCE in the second round in the previous four drafts. That's where Benning loses me, but I do understand trying to be competitive while the Sedins are here.

There's seven kids under the age of 25 on the team now, Gudbranson, Etem, Virtanen, Hutton, Horvat, Granlund, Baertschi and possibly Gaunce and Pedan. Are any of them stars, no, but that's a lot of youth he's brought in.

Next year if he doesn't draft in rounds 1-2-3 and acquire more picks....he's truly lost me.

- LeftCoaster


First of all, Benning has only been at the helm for 3 drafts so what happened in 2013 probably isn't his fault Second of all, you criticize the lack of 2nd round picks and then turn around and praise him for the new young core (half of them were acquired with picks). Are you happy? sad? or really confused ? Also, your last point is a pretty definitive statement. What if he trades a 2nd for Barkov? Has he still lost you? He said at this years draft that they are done trading picks as they have done their best to fill the age gap.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jul 13 @ 6:05 PM ET
http://www.vancourier.com...stions-answered-1.2300024
striker777
Joined: 09.08.2012

Jul 13 @ 6:09 PM ET
You like Sutter; Essentially 4.4 for 5 years? How did Bonino look playing for Pittsburgh? & we sent them a pick? Granlund? I preferred Shinkaruk. Etem? Borderline NHL player. How does that 2nd round pick we got for Garrison that we flipped to get Vey look? I could go on & on.

Love Horvat, Tanev, Hutton, the Sedin's & would like to see them resigned for 2 more years at a lower cap hit in reduced roles after this contract expires seeing as we have to protect them come the expansion draft with only a season remaining & Hansen. Not sold on Virtanen; at least as a top flight scorer, yet he will be lucky to be better than all but a few players chosen in the 1st round. His physical edge; seeing the theme here, should endear him to fans.

All these players Benning has secured for the most part have 1 thing in common & it's not pure skill.

Watch & learn young fella's. I put my money where my mouth; saved my 8K+ annually on tickets & rest assured I'm not alone. Apparently at least 200 other people agree with me, from THN, god knows who many from ESPN & Carrol didn't extrapolate the results of the 3000 local fans who as she expresses for others elsewhere are more likely homers slanting to the other side of the scale.

Even I'm not unhappy with Bennings drafting with the few picks he's retained he's drafted well but in the 1st 2 rounds with 2 top 5 selections a monkey could, the Vrbata, Eriksson or Stecher signings were great I just literally hate everything else.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 13 @ 6:09 PM ET
http://www.vancourier.com/pass-it-to-bulis/all-your-offseason-canucks-questions-answered-1.2300024

- NorthNuck

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 13 @ 6:09 PM ET
I know a few of you were uncertain about what we would do with goaltending prior to the expansion draft. I wrote that all they have to do is sign Bachman to a meaningless contract and they won't resign Miller. This way Marsktrom is protected and Bachman is the cannon fodder for Las Vegas. I know a lot, perhaps not as much as Vantel:

http://canucksarmy.com/20...e-expansion-draft-problem
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 13 @ 6:11 PM ET
You like Sutter; Essentially 4.4 for 5 years? How did Bonino look playing for Pittsburgh? & we sent them a pick? Granlund? I preferred Shinkaruk. Etem? Borderline NHL player. How does that 2nd round pick we got for Garrison that we flipped to get Vey look? I could go on & on.

Love Horvat, Tanev, Hutton, the Sedin's & would like to see them resigned for 2 more years at a lower cap hit in reduced roles after this contract expires seeing as we have to protect them come the expansion draft with only a season remaining & Hansen. Not sold on Virtanen; at least as a top flight scorer, yet he will be lucky to be better than all but a few players chosen in the 1st round. His physical edge; seeing the theme here, should endear him to fans.

All these players Benning has secured for the most part have 1 thing in common & it's not pure skill.

Watch & learn young fella's. I put my money where my mouth; saved my 8K+ annually on tickets & rest assured I'm not alone. Apparently at least 200 other people agree with me, from THN, god knows who many from ESPN & Carrol didn't extrapolate the results of the 3000 local fans who as she expresses for others elsewhere are more likely homers slanting to the other side of the scale.

Even I'm not unhappy with Bennings drafting with the few picks he's retained he's drafted well but in the 1st 2 rounds with 2 top 5 selections a monkey could, the Vrbata, Eriksson or Stecher signings were great I just literally hate everything else.

- striker777


Vegas has a team now, you can get a fresh start.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 13 @ 6:12 PM ET
You like Sutter; Essentially 4.4 for 5 years? How did Bonino look playing for Pittsburgh? & we sent them a pick? Granlund? I preferred Shinkaruk. Etem? Borderline NHL player. How does that 2nd round pick we got for Garrison that we flipped to get Vey look? I could go on & on.

Love Horvat, Tanev, Hutton, the Sedin's & would like to see them resigned for 2 more years at a lower cap hit in reduced roles after this contract expires seeing as we have to protect them come the expansion draft with only a season remaining & Hansen. Not sold on Virtanen; at least as a top flight scorer, yet he will be lucky to be better than all but a few players chosen in the 1st round. His physical edge; seeing the theme here, should endear him to fans.

All these players Benning has secured for the most part have 1 thing in common & it's not pure skill.

Watch & learn young fella's. I put my money where my mouth; saved my 8K+ annually on tickets & rest assured I'm not alone. Apparently at least 200 other people agree with me, from THN, god knows who many from ESPN & Carrol didn't extrapolate the results of the 3000 local fans who as she expresses for others elsewhere are more likely homers slanting to the other side of the scale.

Even I'm not unhappy with Bennings drafting with the few picks he's retained he's drafted well but in the 1st 2 rounds with 2 top 5 selections a monkey could, the Vrbata, Eriksson or Stecher signings were great I just literally hate everything else.

- striker777


You are truly clueless. Meat & Potatoes huh? Forsling, Lockwood, Juolevi, McCann, Stukel, Demko, Zhukenov, Jasek...I can go on and on but you are making yourself look stupider with every post. congrats
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jul 13 @ 6:15 PM ET
I know a few of you were uncertain about what we would do with goaltending prior to the expansion draft. I wrote that all they have to do is sign Bachman to a meaningless contract and they won't resign Miller. This way Marsktrom is protected and Bachman is the cannon fodder for Las Vegas. I know a lot, perhaps not as much as Vantel:

http://canucksarmy.com/20...e-expansion-draft-problem

- CanuckDon

Yeah I pointed out the situation with Bachman a few days ago as well
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 13 @ 6:16 PM ET
I know a few of you were uncertain about what we would do with goaltending prior to the expansion draft. I wrote that all they have to do is sign Bachman to a meaningless contract and they won't resign Miller. This way Marsktrom is protected and Bachman is the cannon fodder for Las Vegas. I know a lot, perhaps not as much as Vantel:

http://canucksarmy.com/20...e-expansion-draft-problem

- CanuckDon

It's always good to ask Vantel , nothing can go wrong with that Logic


I was going to suggest extend Burrows one year one mil. He is our emergency goalie.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 13 @ 6:16 PM ET
Yeah I pointed out the situation with Bachman a few days ago as well
- NorthNuck

All that matters is who was first
striker777
Joined: 09.08.2012

Jul 13 @ 6:17 PM ET
At least I'm providing something of substance. What are you offering up. Immature BS.

In 2 to 5 years lets see where the Canucks stand. With the current make up, prospects currently in the system it's going to get far more ugly before it gets better & I'm not just talking about a 3 to 5 years ugly. The rebuild to date has been handled well. Assets expended should have garnered better returns. They didn't & there is no way to make up for that now.

Nor do I have any faith in the current management team to achieve it. We should be adding picks not spending them. We're not adding enough prospects fast enough.

It takes almost 3 years for most prospects to get to the NHL if not selected in the top 10 another 5 to show there true colors. Horvat was selected 9th, was sent back to JR for 1 year & now has 2 years of NHL experince under his belt, his break is still over a year away. 20 to 25 golas & 50 to 55 points for Horvat next season. Potentially more if he had someone other than Baertschi & Virtanen to play with.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jul 13 @ 6:18 PM ET
It's always good to ask Vantel , nothing can go wrong with that Logic


I was going to suggest extend Burrows one year one mil. He is our emergency goalie.

- VANTEL

I know this is a joke but it made me think of something just now. Is a guy like Brent Burns eligible to be counted as a forward or Dman during expansion? If so, that'd be an unfair advantage.
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