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mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 14 @ 11:26 AM ET
I love the video banner "Messeir looks for smallest guy", um NO. He went to just make sure Blake stayed from the Simon/Scathard mugging. He could have dropped the gloves & really pummeled Blake but didn't. Don't forget Mess could fight when he had to.
- B2B76


Yup, Messier was looking at Blake like really?? Then made him look like a cherry tomato.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 11:28 AM ET
"Jan Levine.

Scheifele may have signed a below market deal but still got $49 mil over eight years. Also, his original deal was two years and he had played just 11 games in the NHL in those two seasons. Scheifele second deal, which was for three years, had several performance bonuses, so he made $1.56 mil each of those years. In this case, Miller is coming off a strong season and has a bit more experience, so why not lock him up longer now rather than having to pay more down the road?"

Actually were both wrong.

Scheifele was drafted out of Major Jr just like Miller the same year actually. His ELC as required under the CBA coming out of Major Jr was 3 years but it slide for 2 as he was returned to Major Jr., played 7 NHL games in 2013-14 following his Jr season before stepping straight into the NHL playing 63 games his rookie year.

I had should have checked. I still believe in the bridgre concept. You pay market value now for 2 years & when you & if you sign them to a long term deal you pay market value then. Had NYR signed Miller for 8 years today it would cause serious cap issues today with so limited cap space.

Miller got 250K less than I assumed he would get, he would have got less had he gone to arbitration.

Kreiders a tough 1, 25 & time to decide if your locking him up long term which is problematic due to cap space today so not an option. NYR needs him to sign a 1 year show me deal or simply take the 1 year arbitration award. The downside is that Kreider is getting very close to his breakthrough point for monster forwards, his serious breakthrough should actually come in 2017-18 but he will post 25 to 30 goals next season & 55 to 60 points. Tough position for NYR to control as he has leverage with UFA status 2 years away is kind of in play.

Hayes 1.5 & McIlrath a mil on 1 year show me deals.

Based on Hoffman's arbitration award if I'm a player I don't want to end up in front of an arbitrator. Hoffman only got 2 mil after scoring 27 goals to lead all rookies & finishing 4th in points with 48. That's more goals & points in 1 season than Kredier's ever posted & Hoffman did it with almost no PP time. I sure hope Hoffman fired his agent.

That should leave about 2 mil in cap space to sign a #4 C & leave a small cushion.; depends on term

- striker777

mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 14 @ 11:29 AM ET
"Jan Levine.

Scheifele may have signed a below market deal but still got $49 mil over eight years. Also, his original deal was two years and he had played just 11 games in the NHL in those two seasons. Scheifele second deal, which was for three years, had several performance bonuses, so he made $1.56 mil each of those years. In this case, Miller is coming off a strong season and has a bit more experience, so why not lock him up longer now rather than having to pay more down the road?"

Actually were both wrong.

Scheifele was drafted out of Major Jr just like Miller the same year actually. His ELC as required under the CBA coming out of Major Jr was 3 years but it slide for 2 as he was returned to Major Jr., played 7 NHL games in 2013-14 following his Jr season before stepping straight into the NHL playing 63 games his rookie year.

I had should have checked. I still believe in the bridgre concept. You pay market value now for 2 years & when you & if you sign them to a long term deal you pay market value then. Had NYR signed Miller for 8 years today it would cause serious cap issues today with so limited cap space.

Miller got 250K less than I assumed he would get, he would have got less had he gone to arbitration.

Kreiders a tough 1, 25 & time to decide if your locking him up long term which is problematic due to cap space today so not an option. NYR needs him to sign a 1 year show me deal or simply take the 1 year arbitration award. The downside is that Kreider is getting very close to his breakthrough point for monster forwards, his serious breakthrough should actually come in 2017-18 but he will post 25 to 30 goals next season & 55 to 60 points. Tough position for NYR to control as he has leverage with UFA status 2 years away is kind of in play.

Hayes 1.5 & McIlrath a mil on 1 year show me deals.

Based on Hoffman's arbitration award if I'm a player I don't want to end up in front of an arbitrator. Hoffman only got 2 mil after scoring 27 goals to lead all rookies & finishing 4th in points with 48. That's more goals & points in 1 season than Kredier's ever posted & Hoffman did it with almost no PP time. I sure hope Hoffman fired his agent.

That should leave about 2 mil in cap space to sign a #4 C & leave a small cushion.; depends on term

- striker777


When I see it I will believe it. Dude is consistently mediocre.
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

Jul 14 @ 11:30 AM ET

- eichiefs9

If I want to read War & Peace I'll retreat to my study w a bottle of brandy.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 14 @ 11:38 AM ET
"Jan Levine.

Scheifele may have signed a below market deal but still got $49 mil over eight years. Also, his original deal was two years and he had played just 11 games in the NHL in those two seasons. Scheifele second deal, which was for three years, had several performance bonuses, so he made $1.56 mil each of those years. In this case, Miller is coming off a strong season and has a bit more experience, so why not lock him up longer now rather than having to pay more down the road?"

Actually were both wrong.

Scheifele was drafted out of Major Jr just like Miller the same year actually. His ELC as required under the CBA coming out of Major Jr was 3 years but it slide for 2 as he was returned to Major Jr., played 7 NHL games in 2013-14 following his Jr season before stepping straight into the NHL playing 63 games his rookie year.

I had should have checked. I still believe in the bridgre concept. You pay market value now for 2 years & when you & if you sign them to a long term deal you pay market value then. Had NYR signed Miller for 8 years today it would cause serious cap issues today with so limited cap space.

Miller got 250K less than I assumed he would get, he would have got less had he gone to arbitration.

Kreiders a tough 1, 25 & time to decide if your locking him up long term which is problematic due to cap space today so not an option. NYR needs him to sign a 1 year show me deal or simply take the 1 year arbitration award. The downside is that Kreider is getting very close to his breakthrough point for monster forwards, his serious breakthrough should actually come in 2017-18 but he will post 25 to 30 goals next season & 55 to 60 points. Tough position for NYR to control as he has leverage with UFA status 2 years away is kind of in play.

Hayes 1.5 & McIlrath a mil on 1 year show me deals.

Based on Hoffman's arbitration award if I'm a player I don't want to end up in front of an arbitrator. Hoffman only got 2 mil after scoring 27 goals to lead all rookies & finishing 4th in points with 48. That's more goals & points in 1 season than Kredier's ever posted & Hoffman did it with almost no PP time. I sure hope Hoffman fired his agent.

That should leave about 2 mil in cap space to sign a #4 C & leave a small cushion.; depends on term

- striker777

The Rangers have plenty of cap space to lock up Kreider long term actually

We have $9.7M of cap space now to sign Kreider, Hayes, and McIlrath.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jul 14 @ 11:45 AM ET
According to Todd Cordell's blog, Rangers aren't even on Vessy's short list. We wasted a whole off season plan on nothing
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 11:46 AM ET
If I want to read War & Peace I'll retreat to my study w a bottle of brandy.
- B2B76

mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 14 @ 11:47 AM ET
Kreider is the American version of Zherdev, except without the hands
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 14 @ 11:51 AM ET
I just read that 75% of the Rangers Stanley Cups were won during Anne Frank's lifetime

(frank) we suck
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

Jul 14 @ 11:53 AM ET
I just read that 75% of the Rangers Stanley Cups were won during Anne Frank's lifetime

(frank) we suck

- rangerdanger94

1 SINCE 40
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 14 @ 11:56 AM ET
I just read that 75% of the Rangers Stanley Cups were won during Anne Frank's lifetime

(frank) we suck

- rangerdanger94



Anne Frank was a closet Rangers fan
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 11:59 AM ET
Anne Frank was a closet Rangers fan
- mdw7413

She was definitely in a closet
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jul 14 @ 12:00 PM ET
Kreider is the American version of Zherdev, except without the hands
- mdw7413

how dare you
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jul 14 @ 12:01 PM ET
I just read that 75% of the Rangers Stanley Cups were won during Anne Frank's lifetime

(frank) we suck

- rangerdanger94

Her and Kurt Cobain are the Ranger cup holders. Once they went down they took all future glory with them
Mr.Bobby
New Jersey Devils
Location: If you don't chew Big Red, then **** you.
Joined: 05.26.2016

Jul 14 @ 12:06 PM ET
She was definitely in a closet
- eichiefs9



I'm thinking Ron Duguay might be too.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 14 @ 12:08 PM ET
how dare you
- TPC


Whats scary, other than Kreiders playoffs, their 1st 3 seasons are somewhat similar, and the same things were being said about Zherdev. He has so much talent, but takes nights off. He is going to break out.
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

Jul 14 @ 12:12 PM ET
I'm thinking Ron Duguay might be too.
- Mr.Bobby

TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jul 14 @ 12:13 PM ET
Whats scary, other than Kreiders playoffs, their 1st 3 seasons are somewhat similar, and the same things were being said about Zherdev. He has so much talent, but takes nights off. He is going to break out.
- mdw7413

Zherdev was also out of the league by like 26...that isn't Kreider
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 14 @ 12:15 PM ET
Zherdev was also out of the league by like 26...that isn't Kreider
- TPC




I'm just sayin....
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 14 @ 12:17 PM ET


I'm just sayin....

- mdw7413

If you feel this way about Kreider, I'd hate to learn how poorly you view Hayes
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 14 @ 12:17 PM ET
If you feel this way about Kreider, I'd hate to learn how poorly you view Hayes
- rangerdanger94


I will get back to you after next year.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 12:57 PM ET
how dare you
- TPC

Did American Zherdev sign yet?
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 14 @ 1:01 PM ET
I've changed stances on Kreider. It's a relatively safe assumption that he will produce approximately 20 goals as his floor over the next few seasons. Lock him up at 5M to be honest.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 14 @ 1:07 PM ET
Did American Zherdev sign yet?
- eichiefs9

mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 14 @ 1:08 PM ET
I've changed stances on Kreider. It's a relatively safe assumption that he will produce approximately 20 goals as his floor over the next few seasons. Lock him up at 5M to be honest.
- rangerdanger94

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