- mdw7413

That's for wiping up Kreider, right?

- mdw7413

I've just been thinking about the numbers a bit, and he has seasons with 17, 21, and 21 goals in the last 3 years. He's established a floor for himself and still has a higher ceiling. Plus his season was pretty abysmal last year...rock bottom almost. And he still scored 21, so 30+ is definitely a possibility if things click for him this year.

It's less of a risk than Miller because Millers only had 1 good season, although I do believe Miller will continue to take steps forward in his development.

Girardi and Staal are going to have bounce back seasons, Kreider will breakout and score 30, the more I read the moaning the more I believe in this

That's for wiping up Kreider, right?
- eichiefs9

No thats for tough guy RD. What a soft (frank)ing guy. Like a politician, goes with the crowd.

I've just been thinking about the numbers a bit, and he has seasons with 17, 21, and 21 goals in the last 3 years. He's established a floor for himself and still has a higher ceiling. Plus his season was pretty abysmal last year...rock bottom almost. And he still scored 21, so 30+ is definitely a possibility if things click for him this year.

It's less of a risk than Miller because Millers only had 1 good season, although I do believe Miller will continue to take steps forward in his development.
- rangerdanger94

We all said the exact same thing the year before last.

No thats for tough guy RD. What a soft (frank)ing guy. Like a politician, goes with the crowd.
- mdw7413

Speaking of politician: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Lesser

We all said the exact same thing the year before last.
- mdw7413

Yea, but what I'm saying is that he's established a high floor. It's a safe bet he'll pot at least 20 each year. If you look at the going rate for a guy like that, 4.5ish seems pretty damn fair long term. I'd be willing to go up to 5 because he still has some untapped potential.

Yea, but what I'm saying is that he's established a high floor. It's a safe bet he'll pot at least 20 each year. If you look at the going rate for a guy like that, 4.5ish seems pretty damn fair long term. I'd be willing to go up to 5 because he still has some untapped potential.
- rangerdanger94

Yeah but realistically what has he shown that he will get better? I was even defending him the year before last saying his grandfathers death probably affected him more than we know. Whats last years excuse? I just see a guy who will not give a consistent effort throughout the season. I hope he proves me wrong.

Yea, but what I'm saying is that he's established a high floor. It's a safe bet he'll pot at least 20 each year. If you look at the going rate for a guy like that, 4.5ish seems pretty damn fair long term. I'd be willing to go up to 5 because he still has some untapped potential.
- rangerdanger94

Don't even talk to me...what was the point of our argument 2 days ago

Don't even talk to me...what was the point of our argument 2 days ago
- TPC

Soooooft

Yeah but realistically what has he shown that he will get better? I was even defending him the year before last saying his grandfathers death probably affected him more than we know. Whats last years excuse? I just see a guy who will not give a consistent effort throughout the season. I hope he proves me wrong.
- mdw7413

Doesn't matter if he improves or not. $4.5M is the going rate for a 20 goal scorer. Give him that and it's fair. If he produces more then that's gravy.

Don't even talk to me...what was the point of our argument 2 days ago
- TPC

Team Kreider baby

You and me

F the haters

Team Kreider baby

You and me

F the haters
- rangerdanger94

You were better as a Caps fan

Team Kreider baby

You and me

F the haters
- rangerdanger94

What do you think a realistic return for Kreider would be?
- rangerdanger94

I think he would have significant value on the market. His floor going foward looks to be 20 goals and his combination of size, speed and strength is unique. I can't think of another player that possesses all 3 the way he does. Teams would be willing to pay if they knew they could lock him up for the next 5-6 years. I know we've all been frustrated with him, but hopefully he can put it all together and give us 25-30 on a constant basis. I believe both he and Miller will be 25-30 goal guys for us for the next 5+ years. If he is traded it better involve someone named Draisitl coming back, but I do think trading him is a big mistake.

Yeah but realistically what has he shown that he will get better? I was even defending him the year before last saying his grandfathers death probably affected him more than we know. Whats last years excuse? I just see a guy who will not give a consistent effort throughout the season. I hope he proves me wrong.
- mdw7413

As stupid as this sounds,I think he's afraid to take penalties bc of his size and strength. He stuck his butt out at a guy and got called for interference I believe it was. The whole goalie thing which he unfairly is targeted for, I wonder if the league hasn't said something to him in regards to that.

I think he would have significant value on the market. His floor going foward looks to be 20 goals and his combination of size, speed and strength is unique. I can't think of another player that possesses all 3 the way he does. Teams would be willing to pay if they knew they could lock him up for the next 5-6 years. I know we've all been frustrated with him, but hopefully he can put it all together and give us 25-30 on a constant basis. I believe both he and Miller will be 25-30 goal guys for us for the next 5+ years. If he is traded it better involve someone named Draisitl coming back, but I do think trading him is a big mistake.
- nyrangers9479

Hmm I think Draisatl's value is in another universe compared to Kreider.

I think a realistic return for Kreider is a young player with top 6 upside who could use a change of scenery. Evander Kane for example or maybe someone like a Abdelkader, Niederreiter, or Silfverberg. I don't think you'll get Draiasatl, Duchene, or anything even close to that without including another significant piece.

As stupid as this sounds,I think he's afraid to take penalties bc of his size and strength. He stuck his butt out at a guy and got called for interference I believe it was. The whole goalie thing which he unfairly is targeted for, I wonder if the league hasn't said something to him in regards to that.
- nyrangers9479

If thats the case, then he should quit or grow a set of balls. Still doesn't fix his stone hands.

As stupid as this sounds,I think he's afraid to take penalties bc of his size and strength. He stuck his butt out at a guy and got called for interference I believe it was. The whole goalie thing which he unfairly is targeted for, I wonder if the league hasn't said something to him in regards to that.
- nyrangers9479

If that is the case, then we need to move on. We don't need a head case afraid to take the body or crash the net.

If thats the case, then he should quit or grow a set of balls. Still doesn't fix his stone hands.
- mdw7413

Wanna know something that really sucks?

At age 20, Anthony Duclair scored more points than Kreider or Miller did at ages 25 and 23.

Duclair is gonna be a god damn beast at the age Kreider is now.

Wanna know something that really sucks?

At age 20, Anthony Duclair scored more points than Kreider or Miller did at ages 25 and 23.

Duclair is gonna be a god damn beast at the age Kreider is now.
- rangerdanger94

Already moved on.

- Fenrir

Slow poke.

Wanna know something that really sucks?

At age 20, Anthony Duclair scored more points than Kreider or Miller did at ages 25 and 23.

Duclair is gonna be a god damn beast at the age Kreider is now.
- rangerdanger94

Maybe if you didn't push so hard for Yandle he would still be here.

Hmm I think Draisatl's value is in another universe compared to Kreider.

I think a realistic return for Kreider is a young player with top 6 upside who could use a change of scenery. Evander Kane for example or maybe someone like a Abdelkader, Niederreiter, or Silfverberg. I don't think you'll get Draiasatl, Duchene, or anything even close to that without including another significant piece.
- rangerdanger94

U must have missed all my Draisitl threads. Yes, Draisitl is worth more than Kreider