What's funny is your belief that if you happen to be "in the game", you're somehow infallible and know so Much more than someone who isn't "in the game"

There's tons and tons of brain dead people who have been in management positions and fundamentally misunderstood how to build a team and identify talent. The list is endless actually.

Guys like mike milbury basically dealt away enough talent/signed players that probably could've built a dynasty had he known what he was doing and not made such egregiously terrible decisions. . (Chara- luongo, yashin, bertuzzi, dipietro etc etc)
Or gms like tambellini who just stayed the status quo. What laymen couldn't have finished last multiple years Ina row and done nothing but filled the roster with bargain bottom list free agents like kurtia foster and Andy sutton etc ?

There's multiple writers and even regular posters who have a deep understanding of the game. And again, a much deeper understanding than dudes who were and are scouts or gms.
And It's actually the same for any industry.
Don't be so quick to fall for the knowledge of a guy who happened to play the game at some point or be friends wth someone In a position of power and have an inside track to a job
- Ihateallofu

Actually, what's funny is that someone who gleans all of his information and opinions from secondary sources thinks that he's smarter than someone who basis his decisions from primary information.

Welcome to the root of the internet blogger's problem.

Actually, what's funny is that someone who gleans all of his information and opinions from secondary sources thinks that he's smarter than someone who basis his decisions from primary information.

Welcome to the root of the internet blogger's problem.
- H8terade

A blanket statement with no relevancy to the facts I stated

Yes, certainly the root of the internets problems

Say what u will about tanner, but it's literally impossible to be less effective than many many people who were in the game.
So at the very least, he's no worse. And quite plausibly, much better

I don't understand any of this. Is this a haiku?
- James_Tanner

This legitimately made me laugh out loud.

I may not always agree with you James, but you bring the goods in terms of entertainment and stirring the HB pot. Well done, sir!

If gm or coach uses only the eye test they wouldn't know any more than the fans. And fans don't know anything.
- shack67

Seemed to work wellin the old days! Any gm that only uses analytics to evaluate players would end the new coffee fetcher like MacT in Edmonton

What's funny is your belief that if you happen to be "in the game", you're somehow infallible and know so Much more than someone who isn't "in the game"

There's tons and tons of brain dead people who have been in management positions and fundamentally misunderstood how to build a team and identify talent. The list is endless actually.

Guys like mike milbury basically dealt away enough talent/signed players that probably could've built a dynasty had he known what he was doing and not made such egregiously terrible decisions. . (Chara- luongo, yashin, bertuzzi, dipietro etc etc)
Or gms like tambellini who just stayed the status quo. What laymen couldn't have finished last multiple years Ina row and done nothing but filled the roster with bargain bottom list free agents like kurtia foster and Andy sutton etc ?

There's multiple writers and even regular posters who have a deep understanding of the game. And again, a much deeper understanding than dudes who were and are scouts or gms.
And It's actually the same for any industry.
Don't be so quick to fall for the knowledge of a guy who happened to play the game at some point or be friends wth someone In a position of power and have an inside track to a job
- Ihateallofu

When you talk about regular posters who have a deep understanding of the game you're obviously talking about yourself. No wonder you use multiple alts, you're way too smart to to be just one person. Get over yourself man.

Seemed to work wellin the old days! Any gm that only uses analytics to evaluate players would end the new coffee fetcher like MacT in Edmonton
- K-man25

But if that eye test thing is so easy I'd be scout right now. Why not? I watch hockey and read the sports pages.

You call that a fairytale?

Some might call that a nightmare.
- Iggysbff

Well ya know Iggy, To Leon it is a fairytale. He's broke as (frank) living in a bachelor basement suite , hasn't been out of Alberta since he helped open a Denny's in Fort Saint John BC 10 years ago, been on a date in 3 years, or had sex without the use of a date rape drug in 4 and is a Ginger.

Hell, my life is a fairytale compared to his.

But if that eye test thing is so easy I'd be scout right now. Why not? I watch hockey and read the sports pages.
- shack67

What you think scouts don't go to games and watch players? They just study charts and give advice? Why would you think that?

What you think scouts don't go to games and watch players? They just study charts and give advice? Why would you think that?
- K-man25

They go to games constantly. My point is that hockey fans couldn't do it because they don't understand the game well enough to know what to look for.

But if that eye test thing is so easy I'd be scout right now. Why not? I watch hockey and read the sports pages.
- shack67

Losers
Even
After
Fifty
Seasons

Well ya know Iggy, To Leon it is a fairytale. He's broke as (frank) living in a bachelor basement suite , hasn't been out of Alberta since he helped open a Denny's in Fort Saint John BC 10 years ago, been on a date in 3 years, or had sex without the use of a date rape drug in 4 and is a Ginger.

Hell, my life is a fairytale compared to his.
- Jeropotato

Jero from earlier I see your point but I think you guys jumped to the wrong conclusion yesterday.

Losers
Even
After
Fifty
Seasons
- K-man25

Jesus I can't believe I wasted 5 minutes of my life on you.

Jesus I can't believe I wasted 5 minutes of my life on you.
- shack67

I can't believe I left the people history of the great Oilers fan HockeyBuzz purge. Of 2015 on Mikes thread for you just before he posted a new blog.

What's funny is your belief that if you happen to be "in the game", you're somehow infallible and know so Much more than someone who isn't "in the game"

There's tons and tons of brain dead people who have been in management positions and fundamentally misunderstood how to build a team and identify talent. The list is endless actually.

Guys like mike milbury basically dealt away enough talent/signed players that probably could've built a dynasty had he known what he was doing and not made such egregiously terrible decisions. . (Chara- luongo, yashin, bertuzzi, dipietro etc etc)
Or gms like tambellini who just stayed the status quo. What laymen couldn't have finished last multiple years Ina row and done nothing but filled the roster with bargain bottom list free agents like kurtia foster and Andy sutton etc ?

There's multiple writers and even regular posters who have a deep understanding of the game. And again, a much deeper understanding than dudes who were and are scouts or gms.
And It's actually the same for any industry.
Don't be so quick to fall for the knowledge of a guy who happened to play the game at some point or be friends wth someone In a position of power and have an inside track to a job
- Ihateallofu

While I agree that a lot of people have a great understanding of the game. If any of us were in charge of a team we would all fail miserably. Negotiating, scouting, keeping everyone happy, making the team money. It's not as easy as it looks.

Jesus I can't believe I wasted 5 minutes of my life on you.
- shack67

I'm sorry you feel that way! But anyone that thinks ALL fans don't have enough knowledge to know anything about hockey talent, evaluating player worth, what a player has to offer because they're not a scout! Thats a pretty stupid statement

I'm sorry you feel that way! But anyone that thinks ALL fans don't have enough knowledge to know anything about hockey talent, evaluating player worth, what a player has to offer because they're not a scout! Thats a pretty stupid statement
- K-man25

Yeah, there are some serious hockey nerds out there that pour over stats and do t like sex with women all that much.

Yeah, there are some serious hockey nerds out there that pour over stats and do t like sex with women all that much.
- Jeropotato

Yeah but someone else is doing all the work. Easy to figure things out after somebody else has given you the answers.

I can't believe I left the people history of the great Oilers fan HockeyBuzz purge. Of 2015 on Mikes thread for you just before he posted a new blog.
- Jeropotato

Yeah I read it just in time. It reminds me of Terminator and the alts are traveling back in time to change it all.

Well ya know Iggy, To Leon it is a fairytale. He's broke as (frank) living in a bachelor basement suite , hasn't been out of Alberta since he helped open a Denny's in Fort Saint John BC 10 years ago, been on a date in 3 years, or had sex without the use of a date rape drug in 4 and is a Ginger.

Hell, my life is a fairytale compared to his.
- Jeropotato

You referring to me as Leon there brotato?

You referring to me as Leon there brotato?
- RonPielep

You couldn't possibly be as pathetic as that guy, could you?

When you talk about regular posters who have a deep understanding of the game you're obviously talking about yourself. No wonder you use multiple alts, you're way too smart to to be just one person. Get over yourself man.
- shack67

Wow, my man.

You must really be affected by hb. I have seen you in the Oiler threads where you came to go on about him.

I almost never go to the Leaf threads, I am not a fan but also don't have the hate or troll levels of others that do, but when I did recently there you were, going on about same topic.

I don;t venture into Tanner threads, just seems like another threads populated by blogger-hate...here you are, again about same topic.

Give it a rest, or just silently flag all his posts.

And hb thinks there are a few people that have a very solid understanding of the game...not just himself.

You couldn't possibly be as pathetic as that guy, could you?
- Jeropotato

Don't be so sure.

I'm sorry you feel that way! But anyone that thinks ALL fans don't have enough knowledge to know anything about hockey talent, evaluating player worth, what a player has to offer because they're not a scout! Thats a pretty stupid statement
- K-man25

This

It is not an exact science. You don't just "know it or you don't" like actual science.


These posters have Stars in their eyes for these normal dudes who found an in to the industry. And then convinced themselves they're more than what they are.
For every smart hockey mind making decisions, there's a bunch that are idiots and haven't done anything to markedly help their team.
Status quo is actually name of the game for a long time

And there are many many people outside the game that have fresh and intelligent perspectives.
If he wants to make this personal cause for some reason I'm in his head, that's fine. But it's not about me, it's about a broader perspective .


No ones saying it's easy, or everyone could do it, just that these guys aren't some sort of super humans

While I agree that a lot of people have a great understanding of the game. If any of us were in charge of a team we would all fail miserably. Negotiating, scouting, keeping everyone happy, making the team money. It's not as easy as it looks.
- Santo_44

There's truth to this. But don't forget, he's the end all of course, but he's got guys that do those jobs.

A head scout that runs that dept.
A finance officer that deals with day to day operations (in fact entire departments that do that stuff)

They've even got people who figure out cap crunch and help with creative ways to make his ideas work

They've got assistants who are given a directive for sure, but spend far more actual time actually identifying targets

Etc etc

Actually, what's funny is that someone who gleans all of his information and opinions from secondary sources thinks that he's smarter than someone who basis his decisions from primary information.

Welcome to the root of the internet blogger's problem.
- H8terade

Not an actual problem. As anyone who's been to university can tell you, primary information is overrated. One of the main problems with gathering your own information is that you're biased towards it and may be too close to the action.

Secondly, if the people collecting the primary information do their job, people should be able to make very good use out of secondary information. Not to mention that if you don't have to waste time collecting information, you have more time to think about and make use of what information you do have.

Also, I'd argue that my lack of primary information is what makes me good at my job. If I had to go and face the players I ripped, if I had to look Glen Healy in the eye, if I had to depend on a favorable opinion of an organization for the access I need to do my job, how could I be objective?

I get to be opinionated, I get to have more integrity, and I get to maintain objectivity in a way guys who have access don't. Not to mention that you can watch the game better on TV with replay and the ability to back things up than you can in real life. And, athletes are pretty cliche and most one on one reporter/athlete interactions are useless.

Personally, I don't see very much to be gained by access other than better sources and inside information - but this happens to an extent with bloggers too.

Anyways, clearly I'm biased, so take it for what it's worth, but I think a lot of people would agree that you can do you job better in a lot of ways with secondary information.