The Flyers have plenty of 5th and 6th D-men. If you can trade him for a low level prospect, and pick, do it. Hell, trade him for a bag of pucks. The Flyers need cap space, and there is little, if any, downside in trading him and taking half his salary back. Just don't take on an equal or more egregious contract.

2 gifs have convinced me...AMac needs to be on the Flyers top pair
- YuenglingJagr

ftfy

In the time before Brandon Manning was paired with Gudas after MDZ's injury, score and zone adjusted he had a Relative Corsi of -1.5%. He's a replacement level 6/7. He played like one. Though he fit the aggressive NZ scheme to a fair degree. With Gudas the last 2 months, though Radko certainly carried the pairing, Manning didn't slow him down, posting a RelCor% of +5.8%. He's a replacement guy who won't help or hurt really. I won't go out of my way praising him, but it's not exactly lunacy to think he could've made his own strides as a first year NHL player as the year went on.

AMac, in his raved about late season call-up, had a Relative Corsi of -7.7%. Even last year where AMac actually performed like an NHL 3rd pairing guy, with similar usage to Manning, he had a relative CF% of -0.67%. That's probably more indicative of his play, but that was also in a different system that catered to his passive tendencies. Hakstol's system, with controlled exits and tight NZ gaps, is antithetical to AMac's game.

How exactly is AMac better than Manning? That's not high praise for Manning. They're both replacement level 6/7s. One fits the system better though. And that's true w/ or w/out the obvious salary difference. And he also only needs 14 games vs. 40 to qualify for the expansion rule.

In the time before Brandon Manning was paired with Gudas after MDZ's injury, score and zone adjusted he had a Relative Corsi of -1.5%. He's a replacement level 6/7. He played like one. Though he fit the aggressive NZ scheme to a fair degree. With Gudas the last 2 months, though Radko certainly carried the pairing, Manning didn't slow him down, posting a RelCor% of +5.8%. He's a replacement guy who won't help or hurt really. I won't go out of my way praising him, but it's not exactly lunacy to think he could've made his own strides as a first year NHL player as the year went on.

AMac, in his raved about late season call-up, had a Relative Corsi of -7.7%. Even last year where AMac actually performed like an NHL 3rd pairing guy, with similar usage to Manning, he had a relative CF% of -0.67%. That's probably more indicative of his play, but that was also in a different system that catered to his passive tendencies. Hakstol's system, with controlled exits and tight NZ gaps, is antithetical to AMac's game.

How exactly is AMac better than Manning? That's not high praise for Manning. They're both replacement level 6/7s. One fits the system better though. And that's true w/ or w/out the obvious salary difference. And he also only needs 14 games vs. 40 to qualify for the expansion rule.
- Mononoke

#shotdifferentialsareallthatmatters

Edit: He needs 14 games, as well as a contract that runs past next season, to qualify. I don't like Andrew MacDonald's game, but the difference between playing Brandon Manning or Andrew MacDonald is like playing Ryan Parent or Lukas Krajicek; neither one is really a great option, and you need to tightly manage how they're used.

A Mac kinda grew on me after he came back last season,but still a bad contract

Why aren't we talking about moving Streit? Mac Donald's contract is too hard to move without taking a bath. Streit has more near term value in skill and contract expiration.

Yes, AMac's 3 goals in 105 games as a Flyer stands as a shining beacon of light next to Brandon Manning's 1 goal in 56 games. Do you have any face-off analytics to provide that show how AMac is better than Manning?
- Mononoke

Well in fairness he has never played a full season as a Flyer. He only played 19 games when we acquired him, 58 in his second year where he got 2nd PP unit time which doesnt get ice time with the Flyers. They literally get 30 seconds per PP at most and 28 the year later. Plus the Flyers have not been a strong team in any of those 3 seasons.

He really hasnt been given much chance to succeed. He is not a game changing Dman, he needs a supporting cast and this team hasnt been in a while.

Why aren't we talking about moving Streit? Mac Donald's contract is too hard to move without taking a bath. Streit has more near term value in skill and contract expiration.
- section32

What's an acceptable return, and what team is going to give you that return for him right now? If there were teams out there offering 1st rounders for him, he'd likely be gone. Likewise, if the asking price is a 7th round pick, he'd likely be gone.

Right now, there is probably not enough of a supply/demand ratio for what Streit can offer that will get Hextall what he feels is a good return. If/when that changes, based on the Flyers' roster and how their season unfolds, he may be traded later. But if they best offer they're getting is a 4th/5th rounder, you need to keep him and hope he bounces back to 14/15 form.

Did you copy and paste this from me two years ago
- Jsaquella

Well in fairness he has never played a full season as a Flyer. He only played 19 games when we acquired him, 58 in his second year where he got 2nd PP unit time which doesnt get ice time with the Flyers. They literally get 30 seconds per PP at most and 28 the year later. Plus the Flyers have not been a strong team in any of those 3 seasons.

He really hasnt been given much chance to succeed. He is not a game changing Dman, he needs a supporting cast and this team hasnt been in a while.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It has too been in a while!

What's an acceptable return, and what team is going to give you that return for him right now? If there were teams out there offering 1st rounders for him, he'd likely be gone. Likewise, if the asking price is a 7th round pick, he'd likely be gone.

Right now, there is probably not enough of a supply/demand ratio for what Streit can offer that will get Hextall what he feels is a good return. If/when that changes, based on the Flyers' roster and how their season unfolds, he may be traded later. But if they best offer they're getting is a 4th/5th rounder, you need to keep him and hope he bounces back to 14/15 form.
- jmatchett383

I still say we take a run at E. Kane with Steit as part of the deal. May cost us a good prospect and a pic. But as long as it isn't a prospect named Provorov, Sanheim, or Konecny I'm listening.

In the time before Brandon Manning was paired with Gudas after MDZ's injury, score and zone adjusted he had a Relative Corsi of -1.5%. He's a replacement level 6/7. He played like one. Though he fit the aggressive NZ scheme to a fair degree. With Gudas the last 2 months, though Radko certainly carried the pairing, Manning didn't slow him down, posting a RelCor% of +5.8%. He's a replacement guy who won't help or hurt really. I won't go out of my way praising him, but it's not exactly lunacy to think he could've made his own strides as a first year NHL player as the year went on.

AMac, in his raved about late season call-up, had a Relative Corsi of -7.7%. Even last year where AMac actually performed like an NHL 3rd pairing guy, with similar usage to Manning, he had a relative CF% of -0.67%. That's probably more indicative of his play, but that was also in a different system that catered to his passive tendencies. Hakstol's system, with controlled exits and tight NZ gaps, is antithetical to AMac's game.

How exactly is AMac better than Manning? That's not high praise for Manning. They're both replacement level 6/7s. One fits the system better though. And that's true w/ or w/out the obvious salary difference. And he also only needs 14 games vs. 40 to qualify for the expansion rule.
- Mononoke

Corsi is not the only stat to judge a player by, and really shouldn't be used to to judge players at all in my opinion. Relative Corsi is an even worse stat, but that's just my opinion.

Since you chose to cherry pick one stat, I'll choose to cherry pick another and look not at shot attempts data, but actual shots on net.

MacDonald was second on the team, behind Radko Gudas is SA/60, at 29.20.

Manning was worst on the team with a SA/60 of 31.79

To be fair, I think those stats are team stats also, but since were cherry picking.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...hots&sort=A60&sortdir=ASC

MacDonald's play when called up wasn't raved upon by anyone. That's hyperbole. He did however play reasonably well, and helped the Flyers make the playoffs. The Flyers were fortunate they had MacDonald when Del Zotto went down.

I still say we take a run at E. Kane with Steit as part of the deal. May cost us a good prospect and a pic. But as long as it isn't a prospect named Provorov, Sanheim, or Konecny I'm listening.
- section32

I'm not looking to trade for a guy who's a woman abuser who's had locker room issues with both of his teams, has only scored over 20 goals one in his career (5 years ago) that carries a $5.25M cap hit for 2 more years. Buffalo was supposed to be his "change of scenery" and, if anything, he got worse (non-production-wise). If he were a free agent who wanted $3M for 2 years, sure. Having to give up anything of value (you'd give up Morin for him???), no thank you. Streit 1-for-1 even, I'd be leery, simply because he's one step away from being Slava Voynov.

#shotdifferentialsareallthatmatters
- jmatchett383

Nope. But a good eye test in combo with possession stats, NZ/DZ/OZ scores, controlled exit %, controlled entry for/against %, quality of competition/teammate, scoring chances, etc. is a good start to mattering.

I just find it funny that in reaction to some scapegoating MacDonald -- which, at times, is both with and without merit -- there's an intensified dislike/scapegoating for Manning. My thoughts on Manning vs. Medvedev were a different story. But for Manning vs. AMac (each with differing strengths and weaknesses), just going by the eye test, is saying they're comparable players crazy-talk? Not to crazy old me.

I'm not looking to trade for a guy who's a woman abuser who's had locker room issues with both of his teams, has only scored over 20 goals one in his career (5 years ago) that carries a $5.25M cap hit for 2 more years. Buffalo was supposed to be his "change of scenery" and, if anything, he got worse (non-production-wise). If he were a free agent who wanted $3M for 2 years, sure. Having to give up anything of value (you'd give up Morin for him???), no thank you. Streit 1-for-1 even, I'd be leery, simply because he's one step away from being Slava Voynov.
- jmatchett383

Razor found religion in Philly. And he was a train wreck. And he was also coming off surgery last year. It's two years for a top line LW that we have needed. Raffl can't do it. Schenn hasn't done it. Could be the missing piece. And I might be a jack wagon if I played in the Peg and for the Slugs as well.

Nope. But a good eye test in combo with possession stats, NZ/DZ/OZ scores, controlled exit %, controlled entry for/against %, quality of competition/teammate, scoring chances, etc. is a good start to mattering.

I just find it funny that in reaction to some scapegoating MacDonald -- which, at times, is both with and without merit -- there's an intensified dislike/scapegoating for Manning. My thoughts on Manning vs. Medvedev were a different story. But for Manning vs. AMac (each with differing strengths and weaknesses), just going by the eye test, is saying they're comparable players crazy-talk? Not to crazy old me.
- Mononoke

MacDonald is a significantly better player than Manning is. Medvedev, was simply not an NHL defenseman. Far too inconsistent, and not a good player other than when he had the puck.

MacDonald is a significantly better player than Manning is. Medvedev, was simply not an NHL defenseman. Far too inconsistent, and not a good player other than when he had the puck.
- MJL

I could swear people believed Medvedev was a potential number one defenseman. Not rubbing this in anyone's face but common, any player who enters the league at 32 is unlikely to light the league on fire.

I could swear people believed Medvedev was a potential number one defenseman. Not rubbing this in anyone face but common, any player who enters the league at 32 is unlikely to light the league on fire.
- roenick97

I'll admit, when I watched Medvedev in the pre season, I got excited about his skill level. I thought he could make an impact. For a handful of games, he did. Otherwise, he was very inconsistent, not at all good away from the puck, and didn't have the trust of his coach to play him. It was worth a shot, but it just didn't work out. The KHL is a better place for him than the NHL.

Whatever the feeling on MacDonald, I don't like him with Gostisbehere. I'd liek to see that pair split somehow, I think Gostisbehere was far more effective without MacDonald.

Trouble is, who is a good fit for him? Gudas? Still see Ghost needing to be sheltered more than Gudas would be. Streit? Nope, MDZ? He had a solid two way season.

This is one of the things I've had thoughts on and haven't found a good solution.

I'll admit, when I watched Medvedev in the pre season, I got excited about his skill level. I thought he could make an impact. For a handful of games, he did. Otherwise, he was very inconsistent, not at all good away from the puck, and didn't have the trust of his coach to play him. It was worth a shot, but it just didn't work out. The KHL is a better place for him than the NHL.
- MJL

He really was inconsistent. It's a shame because he showed a lot of skill. Really struggled to adapt to the smaller ice & maybe off ice as well. Was hoping he could pull a Fetisov.

Whatever the feeling on MacDonald, I don't like him with Gostisbehere. I'd liek to see that pair split somehow, I think Gostisbehere was far more effective without MacDonald.

Trouble is, who is a good fit for him? Gudas? Still see Ghost needing to be sheltered more than Gudas would be. Streit? Nope, MDZ? He had a solid two way season.

This is one of the things I've had thoughts on and haven't found a good solution.
- Jsaquella

A good fit for him is in the press box or hell better yet retirement

A good fit for him is in the press box or hell better yet retirement
- ob18

Kinda young for Ghost to retire

Kinda young for Ghost to retire
- PhillySportsGuy

A good fit for him is in the press box or hell better yet retirement
- ob18

I have never seen such fire and passion from you!

I have never seen such fire and passion from you!
- Mononoke

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullpoop. Or poor reading comprehension skills