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steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jul 20 @ 11:57 AM ET
But if he was a bona fide NHL'er then he would not have gotten to that point. He would play the game well.
- Streit2ThePoint


Agreed. Roy Halladay was sent back down to the minors in 2000. I don't think that bum ever made his way back up.....
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 20 @ 12:02 PM ET
Agreed. Roy Halladay was sent back down to the minors in 2000. I don't think that bum ever made his way back up.....
- steelydan


Oh so now MacDonald is sooooo good
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 20 @ 12:03 PM ET
Oh so now MacDonald is sooooo good
- Streit2ThePoint


mind bottling
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 20 @ 12:03 PM ET
Agreed. Roy Halladay was sent back down to the minors in 2000. I don't think that bum ever made his way back up.....
- steelydan


Halladay was 23 and in his 2nd full season. MacDonald was 29 and in his 8th full season
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:03 PM ET
I think it was more like...Mom takes her son to the grocery store....tells him to wait right there and dont move....she runs away, but on her way out of the store sees a couple of police officers, and walks back to her son...buts him a candy bar before walking back to the car...she makes sure he is safe in the car seat, rear facing of course...she doesnt want him to see her cry all the way home
- YuenglingJagr


steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:05 PM ET
Halladay was 23 and in his 2nd full season. MacDonald was 29 and in his 8th full season
- PhillySportsGuy


Sure. But Halladay was a "bona fide MLB'er". His first full season had him pitch 36 games with a 3.92 era and 8 wins. Why'd they send him down?
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 20 @ 12:06 PM ET
Sure. But Halladay was a "bona fide MLB'er". His first full season had him pitch 36 games with a 3.92 era and 8 wins. Why'd they send him down?
- steelydan


oranges and cucumbers
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 20 @ 12:06 PM ET
Seriously though, if MacDonald was a bona fide nhl defenseman, why was he sent down to the AHL?
- Streit2ThePoint



Are you purposefully disregarding the cap hits and their implications? Because I know you know enough about hockey to understand that AMac is a better player than Manning.

Who would you have sent down in his place to get under the cap?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 12:10 PM ET
oranges and cucumbers
- Streit2ThePoint



What's your opinion on Sam Gagner?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 20 @ 12:10 PM ET
Sure. But Halladay was a "bona fide MLB'er". His first full season had him pitch 36 games with a 3.92 era and 8 wins. Why'd they send him down?
- steelydan


We're done here
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 20 @ 12:12 PM ET
Are you purposefully disregarding the cap hits and their implications? Because I know you know enough about hockey to understand that AMac is a better player than Manning.

Who would you have sent down in his place to get under the cap?

- MBFlyerfan


Not sure, I'm not part of the Flyers staff.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:12 PM ET
What's your opinion on Sam Gagner?
- MJL

He makes me gag


ner
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 20 @ 12:13 PM ET
What's your opinion on Sam Gagner?
- MJL


bona fide nhl forward
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:15 PM ET
What's your opinion on Sam Gagner?
- MJL


He married a very attractive doctor lady, so he has my undying respect.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:28 PM ET
We're done here
- PhillySportsGuy


I hardly knew ye...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:42 PM ET
I think it was more like...Mom takes her son to the grocery store....tells him to wait right there and dont move....she runs away, but on her way out of the store sees a couple of police officers, and walks back to her son...buts him a candy bar before walking back to the car...she makes sure he is safe in the car seat, rear facing of course...she doesnt want him to see her cry all the way home
- YuenglingJagr


What is this all about?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 20 @ 1:02 PM ET
(frank) Marc Bureau


- jmatchett383

Love the Hexy chirp @ Bureau on his way out the zamboni doors.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jul 20 @ 1:10 PM ET
I think it was more like...Mom takes her son to the grocery store....tells him to wait right there and dont move....she runs away, but on her way out of the store sees a couple of police officers, and walks back to her son...buts him a candy bar before walking back to the car...she makes sure he is safe in the car seat, rear facing of course...she doesnt want him to see her cry all the way home
- YuenglingJagr

What kind of candy bar did you get?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 20 @ 1:12 PM ET
Expansion eligibility is the silver lining.
- Tomahawk


We do need one dman under contract for 17-18 to fulfill the quota for exposed dmen, but Vegas will almost certainly take one of our unprotected forwards.

One of Read, Raffl, Weise, Laughton and Cousins seem certain to end up in Vegas.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 20 @ 1:12 PM ET
What kind of candy bar did you get?
- KINGKENZO


Stop stealing jokes

and it was obviously a milky way
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Jul 20 @ 1:16 PM ET
I thought MacDonald played well when he was recalled. Not worth his contract but a steadier minute eater who played well with ghost. At the moment I consider him a bad contract on an average player. With Umberger, Vinnie, and Schenn & Grossman of the cap, we can afford one of those. At least until the expansion draft.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jul 20 @ 1:25 PM ET
Stop stealing jokes

and it was obviously a milky way

- YuenglingJagr

Who am I, Carlos Mencia
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 20 @ 1:30 PM ET
Stop stealing jokes

and it was obviously a milky way

- YuenglingJagr


eww gross
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 20 @ 1:38 PM ET
Stop stealing jokes

and it was obviously a milky way

- YuenglingJagr


MILKY WAY???

wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 20 @ 1:41 PM ET
I don't get why people are so apt to advocate this type of move. AMac is young enough where he could still fix an aspect or two of his game. I'm not sayign that we hold onto him because he could be our next MDZ. But if this team continues to improve on the blue line with prospects, then AMac should start to look more comfortable out there and start to build his value back up. I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't be any takers at all.
- steelydan


I guess it depends where you see this team, its defensive prospects, and AMac in the next 4 years. Could AMac improve enough to make his salary (under an increasing cap) not such a deterrent to another team in 2 years? Absolutely. But he could also do the opposite, flatline or regress and make himself untradable. Always a gamble.

I guess, for us armchair GMs, it comes down to - if you could move AMac this offseason while retaining $2 to $2.5mm of his salary for the next 4 years, would you? There's no wrong answer, of course.

I just don't want AMac getting in a prospect's way, or his salary potentially preventing us from retaining MDZ or going out and adding a free agent in the next couple seasons. But if he stays around, hopefully he gets off to a good start in camp and keeps it going throughout the season. Maybe we haven't seen the best AMac can play yet? Maybe he's a solid #4 guy instead of the 5/6 he's played himself into. Maybe Hak can get a lot more from him in the coach's 2nd full NHL season?
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