100% agree. That is why I said Hutton should be the trade bait. That is when Wiskey Tango blew the gasket.
- VANTEL

I don't feel Hutton should be trade bait at all. Edler and Sbisa have one be at the top of the list. Edler could waive but I doubt it...

The way I see it we have a very important training camp this year. I could see JB lining up suitors for a few different scenarios and making a trade while teams are preparing their cap space for the beginning of the season. Detroit has 6 defenseman on their roster as of now and I think they would look at adding another 2 at least. I could see them signing Russell even but I just don't think he is that good and Detroit isn't paying him as much as he wants. They have about as much cap space as we do and have more scoring and forward prospect depth then we do. They seem like a good fit for a hockey type trade.

We have to be focused on what to do if we have to waive guys after camp. I can't see JB wanting to lose guys for nothing and a few will have to clear. If Rodin and Larsen make the team who do they send down? JV is the clear choice because of being exempt from waivers but most seem to think that won't happen.

A pretty significant trade would have to happen to help any of those scenarios.

Thanks for the stories, Carol.

My wife, my friends and I tried to get tickets to the show in Victoria on Friday but we refuse to pay the reseller price.

We decided to throw a party instead last night that started off honoring the HIP and quickly evolved to a trip back to the 90's. I have many great memories listening to fully completely.

Pulled out some great albums from that period last night, Ten, Blues for a red sun, Bone Machine, blood sugar, sex, magik, ill communication, in utero, the chronic, the miseducation... And on and on.

So hung over right now but we'll worth it.
- belcherbd

There is nothing I would like more than to see fans refuse to buy tickets off scalpers. Leave the holding 15 000 tickets

you have wanted him gone for a year now so I know its pointless to mention any virtues...
but ya Id have to agree w you w the top 4 over 7. Looking good
- SMBDragon

It was time for Hamhuis to go. I think they had to move on just because of how much unknowns they had with who they wanted to sign or trade for. I do agree Hamhuis is better than Russell but neither of them belong on this team. Edler is the next guy to go and I hope sooner than later. Send him to Detroit and maybe he will win a cup in next few years.

I don't feel Hutton should be trade bait at all. Edler and Sbisa have one be at the top of the list. Edler could waive but I doubt it...

The way I see it we have a very important training camp this year. I could see JB lining up suitors for a few different scenarios and making a trade while teams are preparing their cap space for the beginning of the season. Detroit has 6 defenseman on their roster as of now and I think they would look at adding another 2 at least. I could see them signing Russell even but I just don't think he is that good and Detroit isn't paying him as much as he wants. They have about as much cap space as we do and have more scoring and forward prospect depth then we do. They seem like a good fit for a hockey type trade.

We have to be focused on what to do if we have to waive guys after camp. I can't see JB wanting to lose guys for nothing and a few will have to clear. If Rodin and Larsen make the team who do they send down? JV is the clear choice because of being exempt from waivers but most seem to think that won't happen.

A pretty significant trade would have to happen to help any of those scenarios.
- WhatTheNuck

You would get a bag of chips for Sbisa in a trade.

Edler does not want to go anywhere and has a thing called a NTC. He would also be better for Juolevi's development than Hutton .

and of course the most famous of all canadian bands in history...ever....RUSH. And the most consistent band of all time HITS wise. A #1 hit off of each release. No other band has done so.
40 years of excellence
- SMBDragon

I liked the Hip but unfortunately never had a chance to see them ('Courage' is still an anthemic masterpiece). I was more of a progressive rock guy - Pink Floyd, early Genesis, King Crimson, XTC, etc. And of course Rush, who as you've noted, is probably THE ultimate Canadian band (I saw them recently here in Vancouver and it was absolutely brilliant)

You have to hand it to Downey, though, for giving so much back to the fans. It's a shame that they never had that much International success.

You would get a bag of chips for Sbisa in a trade.

Edler does not want to go anywhere and has a thing called a NTC. He would also be better for Juolevi's development than Hutton .
- VANTEL

Everyone picks on Sbisa but he isn't as bad as everyone thinks. It's hard to find the good things in a players game when the entire team around them was just bad. I think he improved last year and hope he improves more this year. I think JB said a while back defenseman mature later around 26 to 28 and it's not impossible for him to be a top 4 D one day.

Another article I read kind of summed up my view on Sbisa and it was last year that I found myself also saying 'WTF Sbisa' less times than the year before. And he also played more minutes than the year before too. It's also another reason why I think it's possible nothing happens until the TDL to see where we are at. Anything can happen.

Caught between a rock and a hard place still with players that have to pass through waivers but they could make it work by starting JV in Utica and just cycling everyone. Make a trade by Xmas and call JV up. I think it would teach him an important lesson and he would get top minutes and leadership role in Utica.

Everyone picks on Sbisa but he isn't as bad as everyone thinks. It's hard to find the good things in a players game when the entire team around them was just bad. I think he improved last year and hope he improves more this year. I think JB said a while back defenseman mature later around 26 to 28 and it's not impossible for him to be a top 4 D one day.

Another article I read kind of summed up my view on Sbisa and it was last year that I found myself also saying 'WTF Sbisa' less times than the year before. And he also played more minutes than the year before too. It's also another reason why I think it's possible nothing happens until the TDL to see where we are at. Anything can happen.

Caught between a rock and a hard place still with players that have to pass through waivers but they could make it work by starting JV in Utica and just cycling everyone. Make a trade by Xmas and call JV up. I think it would teach him an important lesson and he would get top minutes and leadership role in Utica.
- WhatTheNuck

The point is it doesn't matter what we think , it is what other GMs think.

How much do you think you would get for a guy that you classify as " well at least last year he wasn't as horrible"?

The point is it doesn't matter what we think , it is what other GMs think.

How much do you think you would get for a guy that you classify as " well at least last year he wasn't as horrible"?
- VANTEL

A prospect maybe? He's still only 26 and a big physical guy. I think he still has lots to learn and I agree his value isn't high but he definitely could add something to a team in need of his skill set. It would have to be the right fit for sure but I definitely feel he could be useful somewhere.

A prospect maybe? He's still only 26 and a big physical guy. I think he still has lots to learn and I agree his value isn't high but he definitely could add something to a team in need of his skill set. It would have to be the right fit for sure but I definitely feel he could be useful somewhere.
- WhatTheNuck

I think his stand alone trade value would be at tops a third round pick , more likely a fourth.

Sure he should be moved for cap space but his value is low. The return would not help the team this year.

The point is it doesn't matter what we think , it is what other GMs think.

How much do you think you would get for a guy that you classify as " well at least last year he wasn't as horrible"?
- VANTEL

I thought Sbisa played pretty well. Frankly though I wouldn't move Tanev unless youre getting a Defence man and a prospect back.

I thought Sbisa played pretty well. Frankly though I wouldn't move Tanev unless youre getting a Defence man and a prospect back.
- thundachunk

We have a reliable D for the next few years. Moving CT changes that

I think his stand alone trade value would be at tops a third round pick , more likely a fourth.

Sure he should be moved for cap space but his value is low. The return would not help the team this year.
- VANTEL

You could be right but if that's the case then keep him and see what if he can improve. If he makes the same improvement this year as last year I see know reason to have him play with Tanev and find a way to move Edler. Tanev would benefit from having a more physical defenseman with him that could allow for him to be more offensive. Same reason Hutton and Gudbranson could be a good combo. It may seem like a bad idea at first but I'd like to see something like that happen.

Sbisa-Tanev
Hutton-Gudbranson
Stetcher-Larsen
Pedan-Tryamkin
Biega

Who cares if we bomb and end up in the lottery again. It would give us more room to play Larsen, Tryamkin, Pedan, and give another guy a chance to crack the roster.

There is fine line between being competitive and still allowing room for your younger defenseman to develop while being cycled into the lineup. If they go into the season and lose 2 or 3 guys on waivers then they look pretty silly don't they? Especially after what happened with Corrado. There is absolutely no assurance that some don't get claimed.

I just read the Canucks article asking should Canucks trade Chris Tanev?

I am not the biggest Tanev cheerleader, but if you trade him who is your top line RHD? That is a big hole you leave.

I believe Stecher can play in the NHL but not top line minutes, nor do I think Gudbrandson is ready for that role.

He is one of the most reliable defensive Dmen in the league . He may not add a lot to scoring production , but what he lacks in O he keeps puck out in our end.
- VANTEL

was thejonathans the author?

You could be right but if that's the case then keep him and see what if he can improve. If he makes the same improvement this year as last year I see know reason to have him play with Tanev and find a way to move Edler. Tanev would benefit from having a more physical defenseman with him that could allow for him to be more offensive. Same reason Hutton and Gudbranson could be a good combo. It may seem like a bad idea at first but I'd like to see something like that happen.

Sbisa-Tanev
Hutton-Gudbranson
Stetcher-Larsen
Pedan-Tryamkin
Biega

Who cares if we bomb and end up in the lottery again. It would give us more room to play Larsen, Tryamkin, Pedan, and give another guy a chance to crack the roster.

There is fine line between being competitive and still allowing room for your younger defenseman to develop while being cycled into the lineup. If they go into the season and lose 2 or 3 guys on waivers then they look pretty silly don't they? Especially after what happened with Corrado. There is absolutely no assurance that some don't get claimed.
- WhatTheNuck

I just can't see Edler waiving NTC. May as well get use to it.
Sedins 3 years
Eriksson 6 years
Markstrom 3 years
Rodin 1 year.
Edler 3 years.

This is little Oslo here.

I just can't see Edler waiving NTC. May as well get use to it.
Sedins 3 years
Eriksson 6 years
Markstrom 3 years
Rodin 1 year.

This is little Oslo here.
- VANTEL

I agree. I doubt he waives but if we are going to come up with bizarre trade scenarios and reach for the stars I'm gonna start believing that Edler could happen.

Edler for Tatar straight up.

There is nothing I would like more than to see fans refuse to buy tickets off scalpers. Leave the holding 15 000 tickets

- VANTEL

Ya, it would be great. I've definitely taken advantage of them before going to a show, that was really important to see (Fleetwood 2014) but generally I try not to support them.

Arena shows are overrated anyways I find, ill take an outdoor festival for the atmosphere, a small location for the sound or parties Luke last night every time.

You could be right but if that's the case then keep him and see what if he can improve. If he makes the same improvement this year as last year I see know reason to have him play with Tanev and find a way to move Edler. Tanev would benefit from having a more physical defenseman with him that could allow for him to be more offensive. Same reason Hutton and Gudbranson could be a good combo. It may seem like a bad idea at first but I'd like to see something like that happen.

Sbisa-Tanev
Hutton-Gudbranson
Stetcher-Larsen
Pedan-Tryamkin
Biega

Who cares if we bomb and end up in the lottery again. It would give us more room to play Larsen, Tryamkin, Pedan, and give another guy a chance to crack the roster.

There is fine line between being competitive and still allowing room for your younger defenseman to develop while being cycled into the lineup. If they go into the season and lose 2 or 3 guys on waivers then they look pretty silly don't they? Especially after what happened with Corrado. There is absolutely no assurance that some don't get claimed.
- WhatTheNuck

The guys running the team care.... I agree Tanev isn't the ideal top pairing guy and that Sbisa was a bit better last year but no way in hell is that going to be a competitive lineup.

I agree. I doubt he waives but if we are going to come up with bizarre trade scenarios and reach for the stars I'm gonna start believing that Edler could happen.

Edler for Tatar straight up.
- WhatTheNuck

I think the time edler could get you that much is dwindling and could be passed ...seems like a guy who peaked 3/4 years ago and now is on the decline ...I think he has a name around the league tho so if he would waive you never know

I just can't see Edler waiving NTC. May as well get use to it.
Sedins 3 years
Eriksson 6 years
Markstrom 3 years
Rodin 1 year.
Edler 3 years.

This is little Oslo here.
- VANTEL

Elder has already said he would waive, although it was in the time of Torts. I believe he said something along the lines that he wouldn't want to be here if the team doesn't want him.

From day 1 Linden and Benning have made it clear they are big fans of Elder, I really doubt they would entertain moving him.

Edit. (frank)ing auto correct phone, I don't have the patience to fix it.

I thought of a name for LasVegas. We could call them the Mobsters but I worry that it might be racially offensive to the Mobsters. #MOblivesmatter

The guys running the team care.... I agree Tanev isn't the ideal top pairing guy and that Sbisa was a bit better last year but no way in hell is that going to be a competitive lineup.
- belcherbd

Do not speak badly of tanev ....

I think sbisa did have a better year last but I'm not sure if the year prior he was that awful or just had a terrible series in the playoffs that left everyone hating on him more than necessary

That D core doesn't look that good right now but if Hutton can avoid the sophomore slump and EG lives up to expectations it might not be too bad

I think the time edler could get you that much is dwindling and could be passed ...seems like a guy who peaked 3/4 years ago and now is on the decline ...I think he has a name around the league tho so if he would waive you never know
- Redmile247

He would be a solid guy here to develop Juolevi . Same as Tanev. His friends and family are here. He has his home here. Absolutely no reason to want to waive.

On top of that I doubt Benning wants to move him. JB and Trevor really like him

Elder has already said he would waive, although it was in the time of Torts. I believe he said something along the lines that he wouldn't want to be here if the team doesn't want him.

From day 1 Linden and Benning have made it clear they are big fans of Elder, I really doubt they would entertain moving him.

Edit. (frank)ing auto correct phone, I don't have the patience to fix it.
- belcherbd

Yup

I thought of a name for LasVegas. We could call them the Mobsters but I worry that it might be racially offensive to the Mobsters. #MOblivesmatter
- thundachunk

Kinda strange that they don't have a name by now ... had a lot of time to think of one didn't they ?

He would be a solid guy here to develop Juolevi . Same as Tanev. His friends and family are here. He has his home here. Absolutely no reason to want to waive.

On top of that I doubt Benning wants to move him. JB and Trevor really like him
- VANTEL

Everyone is always so asset management crazy with getting the highest value for a player but they don't take into account the value a guy has on the younger players around him ...sometimes having edler around until he is done and helping the kids is better asset management than trading him in an underwhelming deal and leaving the kids to the wolves

There are many a flames fan who have suggested trading gio as his value will never be higher and he likely won't be as effective when they are ready to try and compete for a regular playoff spot, cup, etc ...but I think they don't get all the positives he does for the kids now