Im leaning towards his actions caused death... would they be considered "justified" by the society at large definitely, but to say that his hands aren't dirty
- Havic3814

Agreed.

But then you almost get to the same conclusion as Civil War where you're saying they didn't kill those people but they have some responsibility where I would argue, especially the first Avengers, they hold little to no responsibility for what happened. If anything only Stark should have been forced to sign the Accords since he's the one who, you know, made Ultron.

Yeah, can't watch at work but I'll believe you. From my memory of the movie I don't remember too much killing except for the dream sequences and maybe that one scene with the batmobile.
- Zschalberg

36 people he killed all together

Is his number rule not to kill people yes or no that's all I want to know

This is all about Batman versus Superman he literally went out of his way to murder people
- GERBE!!!75PTS

It's his rule but it's not like he's never broken it. He was more lenient in it in BvS but it's not like that's the first time he's ever done it. You're both right.

36 people he killed all together
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Still not that bad. Man of Steel likely killed 20 times that in the fight scene. So he still has a point that Superman could kill all of us if he wanted to. I didn't hate that movie for the fight scene because that's how the animated one was with the gas. It was a great way to do it and it showed how Batman was smart and superman was cocky by catching his round and then it exploding and the gas going into his lungs.

Edit: It's been a few months since I saw BvS so I might have some of the scenes wrong. Overall I'd give it 2.5/5 stars from what I remember though

I don't even like DC, but I'm signing up to see Margot Robbie in hotpants for a couple hours.

Is his number rule not to kill people yes or no that's all I want to know

This is all about Batman versus Superman he literally went out of his way to murder people
- GERBE!!!75PTS

In the Nolan movies, yes.

In all other Batman media, no.

Not sticking up for BvS, but different interpretations of the character are fine.

Agreed.

But then you almost get to the same conclusion as Civil War where you're saying they didn't kill those people but they have some responsibility where I would argue, especially the first Avengers, they hold little to no responsibility for what happened. If anything only Stark should have been forced to sign the Accords since he's the one who, you know, made Ultron.
- Zschalberg

i agree, My whole problem with Civil War both the movie and the comic crossover is Stark. He is not the poster child for law abiding action. I understand Cap's fears and while he's anti-registration. But i never figured Stark's, the guilt? alright... but then he goes and weasels out a 16 yr old kid to be involved in something the kid has no right being involved in. Idk its confusing.

It's his rule but it's not like he's never broken it. He was more lenient in it in BvS but it's not like that's the first time he's ever done it. You're both right.
- Zschalberg

His even bigger rule is no guns... ask Darkseid how that worked out

What no Watchmen either?

By far the best DC movie.
- dadeadhead

You mean the movie that they completely changed from the source? No thanks. It's my same problem with I Am Legend. Don't change the source material, and especially don't change the endings.

i agree, My whole problem with Civil War both the movie and the comic crossover is Stark. He is not the poster child for law abiding action. I understand Cap's fears and while he's anti-registration. But i never figured Stark's, the guilt? alright... but then he goes and weasels out a 16 yr old kid to be involved in something the kid has no right being involved in. Idk its confusing.
- Havic3814

Civil War also has one of the weakest villains ever in a comic movie. It's like wrestling in a way. People are less interested when the good guys fights the good guy. You need a heel.

Civil War also has one of the weakest villains ever in a comic movie. It's like wrestling in a way. People are less interested when the good guys fights the good guy. You need a heel.
- Pierceme69

Zemo wasn't captivating by any means but he was effective.

Perhaps if he wore a purple mask and a gold crown....

i agree, My whole problem with Civil War both the movie and the comic crossover is Stark. He is not the poster child for law abiding action. I understand Cap's fears and while he's anti-registration. But i never figured Stark's, the guilt? alright... but then he goes and weasels out a 16 yr old kid to be involved in something the kid has no right being involved in. Idk its confusing.
- Havic3814

to shoehorn Spidey in

I liked Civil War, but it didn't live up to the hype. Winter Soldier's still the best.


and DD, Hellboy is awesome.

Civil War also has one of the weakest villains ever in a comic movie. It's like wrestling in a way. People are less interested when the good guys fights the good guy. You need a heel.
- Pierceme69

I dont disagree about the villain but that movie didnt need a strong villian, it would have distracted from the great storyline bw Cap and Ironman. Thats why I love Civil War, it wasnt a great comic book movie, it was just a great movie in general. That storyline was pretty flawless

Civil War also has one of the weakest villains ever in a comic movie. It's like wrestling in a way. People are less interested when the good guys fights the good guy. You need a heel.
- Pierceme69

The Mandarin was a disappointment in whatever Iron Man movie he was in....

The Mandarin was a disappointment in whatever Iron Man movie he was in....
- stashu

This times a million

Most disappointed I've ever been in a villain

Which superhero is the "bad boy"? Every team has one

You mean the movie that they completely changed from the source? No thanks. It's my same problem with I Am Legend. Don't change the source material, and especially don't change the endings.
- Zschalberg

They change the source in almost all movies and shows.


It's Hollywood.

In the Nolan movies, yes.

In all other Batman media, no.

Not sticking up for BvS, but different interpretations of the character are fine.
- CaptainRivet

The only person that made him cross the line and kill them is the Joker he knew if he didn't kill the Joker more blood will be on his hands

This times a million

Most disappointed I've ever been in a villain
- Havic3814

Was it 3?

I don't know the comics, but is that anything remotely how he is in them? That was bad...

i agree, My whole problem with Civil War both the movie and the comic crossover is Stark. He is not the poster child for law abiding action. I understand Cap's fears and while he's anti-registration. But i never figured Stark's, the guilt? alright... but then he goes and weasels out a 16 yr old kid to be involved in something the kid has no right being involved in. Idk its confusing.
- Havic3814

Well the problem started when they made Stark make Ultron. That was mistake number 1.

I can understand the guilt factor in Stark since they explored it a bit in some of the stand alone movies (Iron Man had it after he realized what his weapons were being used for). I was never a big comic guy so my first real take on Stark was that movie so it worked for me. If you're coming from the comics I guess it'd be a different story.

My biggest gripe of CA: CW was that there weren't enough people on either side. No Fantastic 4 and the invisible woman leaving Mr. Fantastic, no recruiting of villains, no Spiderman getting the poop kicked out of him, and no deaths. Give me a death.

About to do a Star Wars spoiler so fair warning.

It's like Star Wars. My favorite movies of all time. Love that they killed Han but they should have gone a step further. Han gets killed by Ben, Chewie freaks out and shoots him. Chewie then should have ran down there in a rage and started ripping off limbs of stormtroopers trying to get to him, taking laser bolts along the way. Ben walks over and ends Chewbacca's life. You want to rip my heart out and make me feel like "Holy poop these guys are terrifyingly scary and they're a real threat to the galaxy" then don't just kill off an aging actor, kill the innocence that was able to survive the OT.

The Mandarin was a disappointment in whatever Iron Man movie he was in....
- stashu

Don't even get me (frank)ing started I left the goddamn theater when they disgraced
The mandarin I almost (frank)ing lost it

I dont disagree about the villain but that movie didnt need a strong villian, it would have distracted from the great storyline bw Cap and Ironman. Thats why I love Civil War, it wasnt a great comic book movie, it was just a great movie in general. That storyline was pretty flawless
- DDM-Coga

Civil War was kinda that pivot piece, I feel like they were using it to break things up and now through intros of more characters and Thor's 3rd movie it will all be forced back together again.

My excitement knows no bounds for Dr. Strange ill have to see that movie twice cause at least one time im going to be on something

Arguing over movie deaths

Oh man we need some kind of hockey news real bad

They change the source in almost all movies and shows.


It's Hollywood.
- dadeadhead

Sure, but that's why it's not on my list of good movies. You want to change things, fine. They made Stark make Ultron and they made it work. I don't like it but it doesn't make it a completely different movie.

I am Legend they changed the ending to make it a completely different film. The ending makes the entire 2 hours mean something different than it was originally intended and it doesn't make it better in any way. I get that they always change things, I'm saying the changes they did in I Am Legend and Watchmen were terrible and knock the movies down considerably.

I don't even like DC, but I'm signing up to see Margot Robbie in hotpants for a couple hours.
- Pierceme69

Wolf on Wall Street....full frontal.