I think a lot depends on if Vesey signs in Buffalo. Buffalo still needs some depth on defense and Sbisa isn't as bad as you are letting on.

How about Sbisa, Gaunce, Subban and a 2nd?
- WhatTheNuck

Many of us Buffalo fans and the feeling in upstate NY is that Vesey will not sign here but wants to go to free agency and get a deal from Boston.

The poster who offered Baertschi would be a more sensible trade to me but it doesn't create much cap space for you guys. I don't see us having interest in Sbisa but ya never know.

Linden just said he expects Miller to start the majority of games this year, but it will be close to equal
- NorthNuck

He says he wants a past his prime 140 lbs goalie with new equipment restrictions to start the majority ...and then gets angered by polls questioning management

That implies that Baertschi is better than Kane, which he is definitely not. Off-ice troubles included. Kane's career stats have him scoring .30 goals per game, which over 82 is average of 24-25ish goals per season. Sven is only a year younger and has only 25 career goals

I agree Kane's value isnt what it was, but teams dont forget what he is capable of. Example: Radulov
- WhiteLie

There's a difference between taking a chance on a player and giving up assets to take a chance on a player though. Montreal just used up cap space on Radulov. Maybe Baertschi and a second for Kane and a third. I wouldn't want to give up much more than that considering the risk involved.

There's a difference between taking a chance on a player and giving up assets to take a chance on a player though. Montreal just used up cap space on Radulov. Maybe Baertschi and a second for Kane and a third. I wouldn't want to give up much more than that considering the risk involved.
- CubanBuffet

Sbisa(cap) + baerschi + 3rd for Kane

Sedin-Sedin-Loui
Kane-Sutter-Rodin
JV-Bo-Hansen
Etem/Burrows-Gaunce/Granlund-Dorsett/Burrows

TL: "We can't trade Jannik Hansen because he is a fantastic 2 way player and we have nobody behind him to replace with. We can't make all the moves people want because we simply haven't had the depth to do so."

"Radulov has never played as well as Kane. Good comparison in terms of off ice issues maybe, but Kane is much younger and productive. At 24 years old he's pretty ideal skill set for what we need considering he's pretty consistently been in the 20-30 goal range his whole career and is a solid defender.

All that said, he clearly has some Major character issues. Worth the risk? Depends on the cost. Sbisa and the Columbus 2nd would be a win imo" Neem55

Someone mentioned that it would be a good idea if management came to the Canuck's leadership group in order to get their feedback on whether or not they feel Kane could be rehabilitated under the right mentorship or, conversely, if it would be too much of a risk in possibly creating toxic locker room issues. I think that would be a great starting point before any talks of a trade are initiated.

You have to then wonder what the collective thinking is in Buffalo - do they hold onto Kane (despite his disruptive personality and some of the injury issues) and bite the bullet for the next year, hoping that he somehow reestablishes himself, or is he a lost cause at this point?

I'm sure they realize that any returns for Kane now would be nominal so you have to think they take the risk and hang onto him for the immediate future. Although he will be on a short leash, Buffalo desperately needs him to raise his value to at least try and get some sort of reasonable return - i.e. a good prospect and/or draft pick (something which they are not going to get currently). Of course the other less palatable option - all things being equal - would be to leave him unprotected in the expansion draft, which would at least save some cap dollars; however, that would mean losing him for nothing. As it stands, it's unfortunately a lose-lose situation for the Sabres. The question being is, which is the lesser of the two evils? and whether or not Buffalo is desperate enough to actually pull the trigger - the theory being, is addition by subtraction reason enough to move ahead with this course of action

There's a difference between taking a chance on a player and giving up assets to take a chance on a player though. Montreal just used up cap space on Radulov. Maybe Baertschi and a second for Kane and a third. I wouldn't want to give up much more than that considering the risk involved.
- CubanBuffet

I would seriously consider that.

Sbisa(cap) + baerschi + 3rd for Kane

Sedin-Sedin-Loui
Kane-Sutter-Rodin
JV-Bo-Hansen
Etem/Burrows-Gaunce/Granlund-Dorsett/Burrows
- Retinalz

say no to Kane.... his bad attitude and lack of self-control are dangerous on Kassassin levels... no telling how easily abbie drug dealers might entice kane with their wares...

in case you missed it, rumour had it that Kassassin was hanging out with some notorious abbie drug dealers...

"Radulov has never played as well as Kane. Good comparison in terms of off ice issues maybe, but Kane is much younger and productive. At 24 years old he's pretty ideal skill set for what we need considering he's pretty consistently been in the 20-30 goal range his whole career and is a solid defender.

All that said, he clearly has some Major character issues. Worth the risk? Depends on the cost. Sbisa and the Columbus 2nd would be a win imo" Neem55

Someone mentioned that it would be a good idea if management came to the Canuck's leadership group in order to get their feedback on whether or not they feel Kane could be rehabilitated under the right mentorship or, conversely, if it would be too much of a risk in possibly creating toxic locker room issues. I think that would be a great starting point before any talks of a trade are initiated.

You have to then wonder what the collective thinking is in Buffalo - do they hold onto Kane (despite his disruptive personality and some of the injury issues) and bite the bullet for the next year, hoping that he somehow reestablishes himself, or is he a lost cause at this point?

I'm sure they realize that any returns for Kane now would be nominal so you have to think they take the risk and hang onto him for the immediate future. Although he will be on a short leash, Buffalo desperately needs him to raise his value to at least try and get some sort of reasonable return - i.e. a good prospect and/or draft pick (something which they are not going to get currently). Of course the other less palatable option - all things being equal - would be to leave him unprotected in the expansion draft, which would save some cap dollars; however, that would mean losing him for nothing. As it stands, it's unfortunately a lose-lose situation for the Sabres. The question being is, which is the lesser of the two evils?
- Zogg

It's been said here that ownership is fed up with Evander Kane. And Murray is losing his patience. If a sensible hockey trade that benefits both sides could be worked out, it will happen.

There's a difference between taking a chance on a player and giving up assets to take a chance on a player though. Montreal just used up cap space on Radulov. Maybe Baertschi and a second for Kane and a third. I wouldn't want to give up much more than that considering the risk involved.
- CubanBuffet

I agree, I only brought up Radulov because I think the perception would be that no team would trade him right now, yet one team just paid him nearly $6m for the season because people dont forget the potential. I think Baertschi and a second would be a good starter but Buffalo would probably want more and some other teams might bring up the price a bit if an unproven player and a draft pick is close to a done deal.

In any deal, Kane will be the best player involved and Buffalo will be on the receiving end of a larger quantity of assets IMO

IF Nux want kane, i suggest it be for no more than a 3rd, 5th, a conditional 2nd rounder and a conditional sbisa. lols...

sbisa goes over if Kane enters substance abuse program at any level, is involved in any nefarious activity, or fails to score more than 20 goals in either of his first two seasons with the club.

IF Nux want kane, i suggest it be for no more than a 3rd, 5th, a conditional 2nd rounder and a conditional sbisa. lols...

sbisa goes over if Kane enters substance abuse program at any level, is involved in any nefarious activity, or fails to score more than 20 goals in either of his first two seasons with the club.


- kaptaan

So basically when Sbisa's contract is over, they have to take him? Please learn a bit about hockey/players/etc before posting.

say no to Kane.... his bad attitude and lack of self-control are dangerous on Kassassin levels... no telling how easily abbie drug dealers might entice kane with their wares...

in case you missed it, rumour had it that Kassassin was hanging out with some notorious abbie drug dealers...
- kaptaan

I think the difference between Kane and other NHLer headcases like that is the guy is ego driven. He isnt abusing substances because of a troubled past (not that I've heard anything other than a few big drinking nights), the guy likes the glamour lifestyle. He works out like crazy because he also models, (what other NHLer does that?) and I am sure he feels he's a big deal. That type of attitude wont get you in substance abuse program, just annoy the (frank) out of your teammates for beings in love with himself

It's been said here that ownership is fed up with Evander Kane. And Murray is losing his patience. If a sensible hockey trade that benefits both sides could be worked out, it will happen.
- mhp

That's the problem, though, at this point in time, his value has completely bottomed out, and the likelyhood of Buffalo receiving something of anywhere close to equal value is extremely doubtful. This is why I believe the only course of action for Buffalo would be to hang onto him and hope that he stays out of trouble until you can either move him at the TDL or during next year's draft. Of course, as you said, it may be that the organization is already done with him and are going to aggresively shop him just to get rid of the distractions. Their thinking may be that it's addition by subtraction. Still, a very expensive course of direction either way you look at it.

Many of us Buffalo fans and the feeling in upstate NY is that Vesey will not sign here but wants to go to free agency and get a deal from Boston.

The poster who offered Baertschi would be a more sensible trade to me but it doesn't create much cap space for you guys. I don't see us having interest in Sbisa but ya never know.
- mhp

The part I read about cap space for Buffalo is why Sbisa could be an option. His contract would expire before you had to resign Eichel so it would line up to assist in that circumstance. Subban may be able to make the team by then too. Gaunce may not turn out to be anything more than a 4th liner but it's possible for him to play wing and center. Maybe become a 3rd liner. We definitely need a bit more cap space going back to make it work. Baertschi and Sbisa maybe?

I thought I was being generous.

Kane's value will be whatever the market will bear. If you are a team outside of the Canucks, would you be willing to take Kane on? The only reason why the Canucks are considering it is because Vancouver is his home town, and that playing at home will help him mature. From that lense, and cap space availability - the list of probable trade partners is most likely quite low. I don't even think the Leafs would go anywhere near Kane given all the youth they have.

Buffalo is a young team on the go - do they really want Kane to be a distraction from that? If there is a trade, I can't see the Canucks giving up anything more than Sbisa and a conditional draft pick(s). Perhaps a second rounder if he plays in 75% games in next 2 years, and a first rounder if the Canucks re-sign him. If Kane plays well enough for the Canucks to re-sign him, its a win-win for both Buffalo and the Canucks.

Tuesdays

Linden just said he expects Miller to start the majority of games this year, but it will be close to equal
- NorthNuck

Assuming the goaltending is at the same level, that would be ideal, as then Miller will have legitimate trade value at TDL. All it takes is for one contender to have their starter go down.

That's the problem, though, at this point in time, his value has completely bottomed out, and the likelyhood of Buffalo receiving something of anywhere close to equal value is extremely doubtful. This is why I believe the only course of action for Buffalo would be to hang onto him and hope that he stays out of trouble until you can either move him at the TDL or during next year's draft. Of course, as you said, it may be that the organization is already done with him and are going to aggresively shop him just to get rid of the distractions. Their thinking may be that it's addition by subtraction. Still, a very expensive course of direction either way you look at it.
- Zogg

I wouldn't say his value has bottomed out but I understand and agree with you that maybe they just end up keeping him for the time being, at least till the TDL.

The part I read about cap space for Buffalo is why Sbisa could be an option. His contract would expire before you had to resign Eichel so it would line up to assist in that circumstance. Subban may be able to make the team by then too. Gaunce may not turn out to be anything more than a 4th liner but it's possible for him to play wing and center. Maybe become a 3rd liner. We definitely need a bit more cap space going back to make it work. Baertschi and Sbisa maybe?

I thought I was being generous.

- WhatTheNuck

Baertschi and Sbisa could work. This is a difficult situation for Buffalo atm but I could see some sort of trade that could happen.

Cheers Nucks fans have a good day!

On EDM being a "Rested Team" I think they will finish ahead of VAN this season, maybe even the playoffs.
- VanHockeyGuy

I think this may be possible as well. EDM is only 1 more good dman away from the PO's IMO and if Van has the season they should have if healthy they could very well meet in the first round.

McDavid if healthy for the full season should lead the league in scoring or be top 3 for sure.

Tuesdays
- hillbillydeluxe

lol

So basically when Sbisa's contract is over, they have to take him? Please learn a bit about hockey/players/etc before posting.
- Retinalz

Did you even read my comment. they take sbisa's contract if kane messes up in the next two seasons, during which sbisa is in fact under contract. NOT when its over...

I think this may be possible as well. EDM is only 1 more good dman away from the PO's IMO and if Van has the season they should have if healthy they could very well meet in the first round.

McDavid if healthy for the full season should lead the league in scoring or be top 3 for sure.
- LordHumungous

How long has Edmonton promised not sucking, let alone making the playoffs. They built their entire team last year on a rookie, a rookie. If McDavid goes down this year, they will be picking in the top 3 again. They won't have Hall to bail them out, and their defence is still terrible. If Larsson was so good, he would have made the Sweden World Cup team.