The buyout failed for Cowen, let it go, and see what Babcock can do with him. He was a 9th overall pick, and his hip has been repaired, maybe he can work out to be a top 4 guy and pair nicely with Gardiner. I just don't get why the Leafs want to ditch him so badly, with the guys they place on LTIR, they have the cap room.
- eatcrowe

that would seem sensible ... but I'm guessing there's more to the story than what we're hearing.

that would seem sensible ... but I'm guessing there's more to the story than what we're hearing.
- BorjeFan4Ever

E3?

- RickJames77

that actually looks like Edwards.

he is the worst.

E3?
- RickJames77

what do you mean?

The buyout failed for Cowen, let it go, and see what Babcock can do with him. He was a 9th overall pick, and his hip has been repaired, maybe he can work out to be a top 4 guy and pair nicely with Gardiner. I just don't get why the Leafs want to ditch him so badly, with the guys they place on LTIR, they have the cap room.
- eatcrowe

that's my guess

The buyout failed for Cowen, let it go, and see what Babcock can do with him. He was a 9th overall pick, and his hip has been repaired, maybe he can work out to be a top 4 guy and pair nicely with Gardiner. I just don't get why the Leafs want to ditch him so badly, with the guys they place on LTIR, they have the cap room.
- eatcrowe

what do you mean?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Just a joke on Ek's E scale - bad one at that.

The buyout failed for Cowen, let it go, and see what Babcock can do with him. He was a 9th overall pick, and his hip has been repaired, maybe he can work out to be a top 4 guy and pair nicely with Gardiner. I just don't get why the Leafs want to ditch him so badly, with the guys they place on LTIR, they have the cap room.
- eatcrowe

What?

They want to ditch him cause he's (frank)ing terrible.

What?

They want to ditch him cause he's (frank)ing terrible.
- burn

Yeah but maybe he's not terrible enough to be a top 4 now that he's had hip surgery?

Seriously though, if they can't buy him out/lose him on LTIR, the Leafs will have lost a gamble.

- winsix

Maybe Cowan can be a top 4.


I can't catch my breathe from laughing so hard.

What?

They want to ditch him cause he's (frank)ing terrible.
- burn

We probably would've taken him off your hands for a 3rd and a 5th

What?

They want to ditch him cause he's (frank)ing terrible.
- burn

No kidding, and he only opted for surgery after the Leafs informed him they were going to buy him out. Which was a sign that he thinks his NHL career is over - which it probably is.

What?

They want to ditch him cause he's (frank)ing terrible.
- burn

that could be part of it....


what's somewhat shocking is how much Ottawa committed to the guy when he had proved zero... pretty big contract for a guy with a very limited ceiling.

Maybe Cowan can be a top 4.


I can't catch my breathe from laughing so hard.
- burn

on the Marlies?

The buyout failed for Cowen, let it go, and see what Babcock can do with him. He was a 9th overall pick, and his hip has been repaired, maybe he can work out to be a top 4 guy and pair nicely with Gardiner. I just don't get why the Leafs want to ditch him so badly, with the guys they place on LTIR, they have the cap room.
- eatcrowe

has this been finalized?

Yeah but maybe he's not terrible enough to be a top 4 now that he's had hip surgery?

Seriously though, if they can't buy him out/lose him on LTIR, the Leafs will have lost a gamble.
- 1979AD

Yeah, a guy that was slow as (frank) to begin with has knee and hip issues..... That ought to help him.


I don't think they'll be stopped from buying him out.

Yeah, a guy that was slow as (frank) to begin with has knee and hip issues..... That ought to help him.


I don't think they'll be stopped from buying him out.
- burn

Worse "Can't Miss Strong Defensive Defenseman from the WHL?"

Cowen or Schenn? Or Colten Teubert?

The buyout failed for Cowen, let it go, and see what Babcock can do with him. He was a 9th overall pick, and his hip has been repaired, maybe he can work out to be a top 4 guy and pair nicely with Gardiner. I just don't get why the Leafs want to ditch him so badly, with the guys they place on LTIR, they have the cap room.
- eatcrowe

I may have blue and white blinders on, but a guy who is healthy enough and cleared to return last year but gets shut down by his team (and paid in full) to avoid injury for precisely the reason of a buy-out, yet goes and gets surgery on his own in the offseason without consulting his employer and then challenges said buyout???

I get it from Cowen's perspective as to the "why", but it seems like a pretty straight forward case for the arbitrator. You were healthy last year when we shut you down...you should still be healthy.

Seems to me Lou would have something in his back pocket to get around a ruling in Cowen's favour. I bet he is suspended for getting the surgery without team consent - has to be a provision in his contract - similar to the "no waterskiing/no snowmobiling/no parachuting/etc." provisions in a contract.

Worse "Can't Miss Strong Defensive Defenseman from the WHL?"

Cowen or Schenn? Or Colten Teubert?
- AdamFrench

That is a strong list right there.....I'd go with the dude that barely had any nhl time and playing in Germany for awhile now.

I may have blue and white blinders on, but a guy who is healthy enough and cleared to return last year but gets shut down by his team (and paid in full) to avoid injury for precisely the reason of a buy-out, yet goes and gets surgery on his own in the offseason without consulting his employer and then challenges said buyout???

I get it from Cowen's perspective as to the "why", but it seems like a pretty straight forward case for the arbitrator. You were healthy last year when we shut you down...you should still be healthy.

Seems to me Lou would have something in his back pocket to get around a ruling in Cowen's favour. I bet he is suspended for getting the surgery without team consent - has to be a provision in his contract - similar to the "no waterskiing/no snowmobiling/no parachuting/etc." provisions in a contract.
- Deeps27

precisely... if he was instructed not to have further medical treatment then its bad on Cowen... if he was deemed healthy by the Leafs medical personnel, then he (Cowen) chose to have the surgery expressly to get around the buyout.

should be a simple ruling.

I may have blue and white blinders on, but a guy who is healthy enough and cleared to return last year but gets shut down by his team (and paid in full) to avoid injury for precisely the reason of a buy-out, yet goes and gets surgery on his own in the offseason without consulting his employer and then challenges said buyout???

I get it from Cowen's perspective as to the "why", but it seems like a pretty straight forward case for the arbitrator. You were healthy last year when we shut you down...you should still be healthy.

Seems to me Lou would have something in his back pocket to get around a ruling in Cowen's favour. I bet he is suspended for getting the surgery without team consent - has to be a provision in his contract - similar to the "no waterskiing/no snowmobiling/no parachuting/etc." provisions in a contract.
- Deeps27

You are probably right - in any event - he has torpedoed his career with his move. Maybe LV takes a chance on him - if they want a big, really slow (and poorly conditioned) high pick that never amounted to much.

I may have blue and white blinders on, but a guy who is healthy enough and cleared to return last year but gets shut down by his team (and paid in full) to avoid injury for precisely the reason of a buy-out, yet goes and gets surgery on his own in the offseason without consulting his employer and then challenges said buyout???

I get it from Cowen's perspective as to the "why", but it seems like a pretty straight forward case for the arbitrator. You were healthy last year when we shut you down...you should still be healthy.

Seems to me Lou would have something in his back pocket to get around a ruling in Cowen's favour. I bet he is suspended for getting the surgery without team consent - has to be a provision in his contract - similar to the "no waterskiing/no snowmobiling/no parachuting/etc." provisions in a contract.
- Deeps27

Agreed

Yeah but maybe he's not terrible enough to be a top 4 now that he's had hip surgery?

Seriously though, if they can't buy him out/lose him on LTIR, the Leafs will have lost a gamble.
- 1979AD

If we buy him out, we end up with a caphit next year.

If we don’t buy him out and use on LTIR on him/other players, we’re very likely to have bonus overage penalties for next year.

The extra contract spot for this year could be useful.

But I’m not losing sleep about it either way.

precisely... if he was instructed not to have further medical treatment then its bad on Cowen... if he was deemed healthy by the Leafs medical personnel, then he (Cowen) chose to have the surgery expressly to get around the buyout.

should be a simple ruling.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I know they can't use this...but they should be able to in the hearing and that is that Cowen's ability does not warrant even close to 4 million dollars this season. He isnt an NHL caliber player anymore.

I may have blue and white blinders on, but a guy who is healthy enough and cleared to return last year but gets shut down by his team (and paid in full) to avoid injury for precisely the reason of a buy-out, yet goes and gets surgery on his own in the offseason without consulting his employer and then challenges said buyout???

I get it from Cowen's perspective as to the "why", but it seems like a pretty straight forward case for the arbitrator. You were healthy last year when we shut you down...you should still be healthy.

Seems to me Lou would have something in his back pocket to get around a ruling in Cowen's favour. I bet he is suspended for getting the surgery without team consent - has to be a provision in his contract - similar to the "no waterskiing/no snowmobiling/no parachuting/etc." provisions in a contract.
- Deeps27

I don't know about you guys, but there is no way I sign any contract for any $ with any terms/language dictating how and when/when not to receive medical treatment for anything involving my personal well being.