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LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 2 @ 2:18 PM ET
Agree for the most part I would have Willie 16-22 somewhere in there. The rankings focus too much on wins/losses and not the intangibles involved like injuries and lack of personnel.

"the Canucks' upper management has given Willie Desjardins little to work with during a tricky transitional phase for the franchise," and that "Desjardins is a strong players-first coach and he's trusted."

That quote was key in Carols blog. I'm willing to give WD the benefit of the doubt this season with a better roster and hopefully less injuries.

Enter the SMBDragon…should have a field day with this ranking...

Personally I think Lidster is a much bigger problem than WD will ever be.

- LordHumungous

Lidster just does what the head coach puts into place, Desjardins is ultimately responsible for the forecheck and defensive activation, not Lidster.

Also, Doug Lidster doesn't put whomever he feels out there on special teams, that's determined by the head coach in meetings….Lidster is not on an island unto himself.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Aug 2 @ 2:24 PM ET
Based too heavily on forecheck and pinching "D", the number of odd-man rushes has to be trimmed down considerably. They play more of a 2-2-1 than I'd like to see.
- LeftCoaster


I do like that they are trying to be aggressive, but I agree that they face a lot of odd-man rushes likely because they become a little more predictable on the forecheck/pinching. Being a little more conservative should help reduce the scoring chances and goals against
dirt_face
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.12.2011

Aug 2 @ 2:29 PM ET
I don't understand how Willie can be thought that poorly as a coach. Goals against and pk are the 2 biggest coach influenced stats and the Canucks have been great in those aspects. They also had a lot of injuries and have terrible depth because of the Gillis administration's inability to draft.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 2 @ 2:35 PM ET
what's going on? posts seem to have disappeared...
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Aug 2 @ 2:37 PM ET
No kidding, WD was marked down because of his win-loss record apparently but McLellan is top 15 (I wont even mention Babcock, good coach but obviously being rated on different parameters than W/L)
- WhiteLie


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A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 2:47 PM ET
what's going on? posts seem to have disappeared...
- kaptaan

If they are offensive they are removed.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 2 @ 3:03 PM ET
Agree for the most part I would have Willie 16-22 somewhere in there. The rankings focus too much on wins/losses and not the intangibles involved like injuries and lack of personnel.

"the Canucks' upper management has given Willie Desjardins little to work with during a tricky transitional phase for the franchise," and that "Desjardins is a strong players-first coach and he's trusted."

That quote was key in Carols blog. I'm willing to give WD the benefit of the doubt this season with a better roster and hopefully less injuries.

Enter the SMBDragon…should have a field day with this ranking...

Personally I think Lidster is a much bigger problem than WD will ever be.

- LordHumungous

Agree 100%.

Also, Babcock is totally overrated. He's living on reputation and hasn't done jack with his NHL team since the retirement of Lidstrom.

imo, Sutter, Quennville, should be given the mantle of leading team Canada in all future competition.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 2 @ 3:05 PM ET
If they are offensive they are removed.
- A_SteamingLombardi

actually, carol putting up two blogs so close to each other threw me off. i thought this thread was the previous one and wondered where the political posts went.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 2 @ 3:07 PM ET
Let's offer sheet Monahan 7.9 x 7
- The_Kuze

Must be Tuesday.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Aug 2 @ 3:18 PM ET
Lidster just does what the head coach puts into place, Desjardins is ultimately responsible for the forecheck and defensive activation, not Lidster.

Also, Doug Lidster doesn't put whomever he feels out there on special teams, that's determined by the head coach in meetings….Lidster is not on an island unto himself.

- LeftCoaster

But Lidster spends a lot of time with them at practice, as well as knows what WD will make his main pairings and is supposed to work with them during practice to help them play better together. During our latest playoff run, i remember hearing that the defense were not doing any special practices etc, and they fell apart and lost us the series.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 2 @ 3:54 PM ET
Yes he was. This year was his second year as head coach.
- Scooby_Doo


......dude. When I said "Last Year" I meant the most recent season, which ended several months ago. We've turned the page. "This Year" would be this upcoming season.

It says he is a 1st year coach. He's not. This upcoming season will be his 3rd.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 4:01 PM ET
......dude. When I said "Last Year" I meant the most recent season, which ended several months ago. We've turned the page. "This Year" would be this upcoming season.

It says he is a 1st year coach. He's not. This upcoming season will be his 3rd.

- BINGO!

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Aug 2 @ 4:13 PM ET
......dude. When I said "Last Year" I meant the most recent season, which ended several months ago. We've turned the page. "This Year" would be this upcoming season.

It says he is a 1st year coach. He's not. This upcoming season will be his 3rd.

- BINGO!

Nobody cares about the Hurricanes...perhaps that's why they made a mistake
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Aug 2 @ 4:19 PM ET
Nobody cares about the Hurricanes...perhaps that's why they made a mistake
- CanuckDon


I don't know what this has to do with Sutter?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 2 @ 4:24 PM ET
I don't know what this has to do with Sutter?
- hillbillydeluxe



Piss off.
Max.Betts
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 09.30.2015

Aug 2 @ 4:31 PM ET
Nobody cares about the Hurricanes...perhaps that's why they made a mistake
- CanuckDon


And yet they'll be in the playoffs well before the leafs. Ron Francis is building something good down there. They still have holes to fill (true #1 C and true #1 G) but they will be one of the teams who can add guys before the expansion draft and set themselves up well for the following season and beyond.


BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 2 @ 4:35 PM ET
And yet they'll be in the playoffs well before the leafs. Ron Francis is building something good down there. They still have holes to fill (true #1 C and true #1 G) but they will be one of the teams who can add guys before the expansion draft and set themselves up well for the following season and beyond.
- Max.Betts


They're one good shopping spree away from being a consistent playoff team, but Francis won't overspend to make someone come there.

Slow and steady, until eventually they have to trade away some of their D prospects for a forward or two.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Aug 2 @ 4:40 PM ET
And yet they'll be in the playoffs well before the leafs. Ron Francis is building something good down there. They still have holes to fill (true #1 C and true #1 G) but they will be one of the teams who can add guys before the expansion draft and set themselves up well for the following season and beyond.
- Max.Betts


HurricaneBuzz....

Probably true, the Leafs are arguably the furthest away from making the playoffs.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Aug 2 @ 4:47 PM ET


http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...sued-assault-allegations/

It keeps getting worse...interesting that she 7 months to come forward. Perhaps Sbisa would get a trade done
ClarksonDavid
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rielly wouldn't, crack top 4 on the sens team -PtotheY, SK
Joined: 03.15.2014

Aug 2 @ 4:56 PM ET
HurricaneBuzz....

Probably true, the Leafs are arguably the furthest away from making the playoffs.

- CanuckDon

Interesting. Thing is that kinda thing can change really quick so that's fine. Leafs are no where near the playoffs this season but who knows what teams will look like this time next year. What kind of seasons players will have etc etc..
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 5:29 PM ET
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sabres-evander-kane-sued-assault-allegations/

It keeps getting worse...interesting that she 7 months to come forward. Perhaps Sbisa would get a trade done

- CanuckDon

This doesn't make it worse, he's already cleared of this and it's just a money grab on her part. Don't let this fool you, the bar issue is the issue.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Aug 2 @ 5:30 PM ET
This doesn't make it worse, he's already cleared of this and it's just a money grab on her part. Don't let this fool you, the bar issue is the issue.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I didn't recall this story...clearly it's a cash grab
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 2 @ 5:30 PM ET
This doesn't make it worse, he's already cleared of this and it's just a money grab on her part. Don't let this fool you, the bar issue is the issue.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Well the US is the land of litigation & money grubbers.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 5:47 PM ET
Well the US is the land of litigation & money grubbers.
- Nighthawk

I don't know if it's the land of it but they sure have perfected it.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 2 @ 6:15 PM ET
Quiet in here today...
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