Top Secret.
- Scooby_Doo

Outstanding film!!

Johnny Dangerously
- hillbillydeluxe

Another great film!!

The only way I see Kane getting his head on straight is being sent to the minors for a full year, forced to subsist on AHL pay and riding buses for hours on end. He needs a huge humbling by a GM with the balls to do it.
- DariusKnight

I would tend to agree…but one has to be careful doing this with a proven NHL talent. It could backfire massively.

I do think Van might be a good mental option for Kane possibly. Familiar environments and family can provide a 'reminiscing' need that some people either desire or need to get them through their days. Kane might be one of these people…but there is risk.

If JB brings Kane here (and overpays for him somewhat), then we miss the playoffs…that's the kind of move that will cost him his job.

so you look at marriage infidelity by Kesler and others wives the same as Kane attempting to molest women....
- Makita

Kesler is not nice to his whores. They just don't do poop about it because they think he will leave his wife for them.

I would tend to agree…but one has to be careful doing this with a proven NHL talent. It could backfire massively.

I do think Van might be a good mental option for Kane possibly. Familiar environments and family can provide a 'reminiscing' need that some people either desire or need to get them through their days. Kane might be one of these people…but there is risk.

If JB brings Kane here (and overpays for him somewhat), then we miss the playoffs…that's the kind of move that will cost him his job.
- LordHumungous

Talent alone ain't enough, if you can't keep it in your pants, or control yourself when liquor's involved to the point where you're becoming more known for your off-ice shenannigans than your stats on the ice, then drastic measures need to be taken. If you can't handle the type of rude awakening being buried in the minors for a year to learn how to be a professional, then you weren't meant to be an NHLer anyways.

Really, who would take on that kind of risk at this point? He's going to want a huge raise on his deal in 2 years to cash in on UFA, who's going to give him any sort of term/investment when he's liable to end up in jail one of these days because of his escapades?

I was really hoping so, It's so hard to read sarcasm on the internet.

But you are correct, there's a distraction like Luongo or Kesler but there is also a distraction like Kane. I hope the best for Kane....I really do, but the guy has some serious issues.

Do you believe he can straighten his life in Vancouver? He is a talent that can be useful...if he can get is head straight.
- Makita

I do . Lots of people beat alcoholism

I agree with your comments from page 1...and whoever is responsible for the utter lack of a system on D should have been canned long ago.
No system. No exit strategies. None. Makes you wonder what Lidster does as D coach.

I dont see these guys "learning." it takes many years and lots of experience with systems as well a knowledge of different systems used by other teams to win. Our young guys will be retired by then lol.

But if defensive specialist Jarvis is allowed to have his hand at the wheel we will surely improve greatly.
- SMBDragon

Here we go again... just because you 'don't see' the system in place doesn't mean there isn't one. I agree it looked bad but it's still there. Just look at who we had on defense! Weber, Bartowski, Biega, Sbisa, Tryamkin, Hutton, and Tanev.

Tanev was the only decent defenseman out there and he isn't able to carry a team. Just stop with the 'no system' theory. There was a system and if you notice that the reason why it failed was poor back checking and untimely pinching. Continuous odd man rushes resulted. Hutton will be more prepared in terms of stamina I hope as will Tryamkin.

You can't blame the system when you have an abundance of inexperience to drive it. Gudbranson improves this by a mile just in terms of hard minutes playable. Bet your ass you see a huge difference at least in terms of a system.

Here we go again... just because you 'don't see' the system in place doesn't mean there isn't one. I agree it looked bad but it's still there. Just look at who we had on defense! Weber, Bartowski, Biega, Sbisa, Tryamkin, Hutton, and Tanev.

Tanev was the only decent defenseman out there and he isn't able to carry a team. Just stop with the 'no system' theory. There was a system and if you notice that the reason why it failed was poor back checking and untimely pinching. Continuous odd man rushes resulted. Hutton will be more prepared in terms of stamina I hope as will Tryamkin.

You can't blame the system when you have an abundance of inexperience to drive it. Gudbranson improves this by a mile just in terms of hard minutes playable. Bet your ass you see a huge difference at least in terms of a system.
- WhatTheNuck

oh here is nuck again with his nonsense. You know, there are others here you also see there is no system. A growing number of posters. Funny you dont jump on their posts.

yet here you are blaming everyone on the roster yet again. Bunch of bums all making the exact same mistakes huh? Odds of that are worse than lighting striking you.

If you see a system then explain the system they use. Im putting it on you directly to name the system then.... come on point it out. Show us in detail the system they use then.
you cant cause there is none.

there are others here you also see there is no system.

If you see a system then explain the system they use. Im putting it on you directly to name the system then.... come on point it out. Show us the system they use then.
you cant cause there is none.
- SMBDragon

It's called, Hot Potato.

It's called that because the objective is to have the not-pinching defenseman scramble back as quick as they can to cover the open ice while the rest of the team straggles along behind the other team's players covering them as their defensive skill/speed/talent allows. The pinching defenseman will then dive in front of the shot and then everyone will start to rush around attempting to dig that puck and ice it as fast as they can and try and get off before the linesman whistles the play dead and they're stuck back in the defensive zone faceoff.

Zone exits are as follows:

The defenseman closest to the puck will shoot it up ice as hard as he can and pray that it gets collected by a forechecking forward to break up the icing. Or if pressured, shoot it off the glass and then immediately crowd the net so that some part of their body/equipment can deflect the puck and pray to god Markstrom and/or Miller is in position to make a save. If the puck isn't frozen, then see above for standard defensive strategy.

I do . Lots of people beat alcoholism
- VANTEL

Unfortunately, Kane tried to strangle it.

oh here is nuck again with his nonsense. You know, there are others here you also see there is no system. A growing number of posters. Funny you dont jump on their posts.

yet here you are blaming everyone on the roster yet again. Bunch of bums all making the exact same mistakes huh? Odds of that are worse than lighting striking you.

If you see a system then explain the system they use. Im putting it on you directly to name the system then.... come on point it out. Show us in detail the system they use then.
you cant cause there is none.
- SMBDragon

But even if there was a system the D core was depleted of NHL ready talent from injuries so no matter what you can't blame the coaches when ahl players and rookies don't execute like pros

But even if there was a system the D core was depleted of NHL ready talent from injuries so no matter what you can't blame the coaches when ahl players and rookies don't execute like pros
- Redmile247

Yes you can. Over and over and over again.

oh here is nuck again with his nonsense. You know, there are others here you also see there is no system. A growing number of posters. Funny you dont jump on their posts.

yet here you are blaming everyone on the roster yet again. Bunch of bums all making the exact same mistakes huh? Odds of that are worse than lighting striking you.

If you see a system then explain the system they use. Im putting it on you directly to name the system then.... come on point it out. Show us in detail the system they use then.
you cant cause there is none.
- SMBDragon

Oh please. Execution is the key to everything. It really doesnt matter what kind of system it was. Saying there isn't one for any coach at any level is the most ignorant and ridiculous claim I have ever seen. The issue was 50/50 split personnel and execution.

Think of it this way. I can teach my wife to pee standing up and maybe one day she finds a way to do it but she doesn't have the tools necessary for that system so it takes her twice long or maybe she never gets it.

The point is, some people are better suited for tasks they have the proper skill sets for. That's where WD failed. The system he used with the personnel and inexperience with those players put him in a poop spot. He didn't adjust on the fly and seem to just play more experienced players to his demise.

I saw the system as a high offensive pressure system to hold the line and keep the puck deep. He relied entirely on the Sedins to hold the puck deep and cycle it low. The problem with that was the fact we had zero defenseman to shoot the puck and find a seam. Edler was hurt and Tanev shoots like a girl. Just look at how much Hutton benefitted from that cycle. They need a second line that can provide a different utility for the team too. It was sad how much he relied on the Sedins. It was basically the Sedins and three 4th lines. Baertschi and Horvat seemed to try and find a way to generate offense but with all the defensive assignments it was hard to find a good groove for kids trying to learn at the same time.

You can blame WD, the players, or the system but not that there wasn't one altogether. Just look at the signings of defense! It was an obvious issue and if the system was the problem then the coach is let go and personnel remains in most cases.

Now that we have more depth and more versatility it is going to be a huge year for WD or he may be on the way out but I can promise you it won't be for lack of a system but rather falling short of execution and inability to adjust on the fly.

It's called, Hot Potato.

It's called that because the objective is to have the not-pinching defenseman scramble back as quick as they can to cover the open ice while the rest of the team straggles along behind the other team's players covering them as their defensive skill/speed/talent allows. The pinching defenseman will then dive in front of the shot and then everyone will start to rush around attempting to dig that puck and ice it as fast as they can and try and get off before the linesman whistles the play dead and they're stuck back in the defensive zone faceoff.

Zone exits are as follows:

The defenseman closest to the puck will shoot it up ice as hard as he can and pray that it gets collected by a forechecking forward to break up the icing. Or if pressured, shoot it off the glass and then immediately crowd the net so that some part of their body/equipment can deflect the puck and pray to god Markstrom and/or Miller is in position to make a save. If the puck isn't frozen, then see above for standard defensive strategy.
- DariusKnight

lol thats some funny sh*t ...well done

But even if there was a system the D core was depleted of NHL ready talent from injuries so no matter what you can't blame the coaches when ahl players and rookies don't execute like pros
- Redmile247

It was absolutely WD's fault but not for a lack of system.

Oh please. Execution is the key to everything. It really doesnt matter what kind of system it was. Saying there isn't one for any coach at any level is the most ignorant and ridiculous claim I have ever seen. The issue was 50/50 split personnel and execution.

Think of it this way. I can teach my wife to pee standing up and maybe one day she finds a way to do it but she doesn't have the tools necessary for that system so it takes her twice long or maybe she never gets it.

The point is, some people are better suited for tasks they have the proper skill sets for. That's where WD failed. The system he used with the personnel and inexperience with those players put him in a poop spot. He didn't adjust on the fly and seem to just play more experienced players to his demise.

I saw the system as a high offensive pressure system to hold the line and keep the puck deep. He relied entirely on the Sedins to hold the puck deep and cycle it low. The problem with that was the fact we had zero defenseman to shoot the puck and find a seam. Edler was hurt and Tanev shoots like a girl. Just look at how much Hutton benefitted from that cycle. They need a second line that can provide a different utility for the team too. It was sad how much he relied on the Sedins. It was basically the Sedins and three 4th lines. Baertschi and Horvat seemed to try and find a way to generate offense but with all the defensive assignments it was hard to find a good groove for kids trying to learn at the same time.

You can blame WD, the players, or the system but not that there wasn't one altogether. Just look at the signings of defense! It was an obvious issue and if the system was the problem then the coach is let go and personnel remains in most cases.

Now that we have more depth and more versatility it is going to be a huge year for WD or he may be on the way out but I can promise you it won't be for lack of a system but rather falling short of execution and inability to adjust on the fly.
- WhatTheNuck

the only example you attempt at is a forecheck, not a defensive system.
You continue to insist there is a system used yet continually fail to identify it. If there's a system, then you identify it for us. Because many of us see no system used.

But lets face this, whatever the case....either way is unacceptable for a coaching staff. Either you're not using one or its so poor you should be shot. Either way you should go to unemployment.

There are 2 things I will agree with you on however....the inability the adjust the game on the fly. THe other is how the entire offense is centered around the sedins. While they are great players the problem with this is that if you watch games you'll see them slow the game down in the offensive zone. They'll come down the wing come over the blue line and then wait there until everyone is set in place.This also lets the opposing teams D to get set. This of course shuts down scoring. Best scoring chances are on the fly coming down the center with an element of surprise on the goalie and any present D. Slowing down the offense freezes scoring chances.
THis was AVs old system and they still use it to this day.
THis also shows no new system has been brought in offensively since that time either.

It was absolutely WD's fault but not for a lack of system.
- WhatTheNuck

then expose the actual system used then.

you havent yet....you cant, plain and simple

then expose the actual system used then.

you havent yet....you cant, plain and simple
- SMBDragon

A D corp full of injuries & inferior talent & rookies makes any sysytem look like crap.
Wait til this season to judge. Last season is a poor season to use as an example.

A D corp full of injuries & inferior talent & rookies makes any sysytem look like crap.
Wait til this season to judge. Last season is a poor season to use as an example.
- Nighthawk

gabby Im not using last season as a basis. Im using both seasons.
but I know from our discussions you also agree on this

gabby Im not using last season as a basis. Im using both seasons.
but I know from our discussions you also agree on this
- SMBDragon

I am undecided about WD til more time passes.
By that i said WD will be scutinized in earnest on this seasons performance & progress of our remade roster. Xmas is my report card day for WD.

As for JB he has bought at least one more year due to his drafting prowess.
His trades r fine IMO cuz mainly of a low key approach other than EG.
We needed an EG type D & the price was always gonna cost.
2nds mean not much to me in our case of fixing the age gap.
Gotta break some eggs to make an omelette.
Our depth & prospect pool is gettng brighter.
Prospects have never looked better.

Edit:

With JB acquiring speed & drafting the same then adding D grit in EG to go along with Hutton OJ n Guillaume etc its apparent to me what he is building. Fast transition game and speed on the rush. To do this strong D tough D is needed to turnover or win puck battles with fast & accurate 1st passes from the complimentary pairing partner. Doing better on FO's & winning more puck battles is a challenge. The PP is the big question mark & who can be the QB. Lastly a big shot from the point is needed & more pucks gettng thru. Larssen is expected to help here & grooming Subban also. Both have to hold their own defensively.

Still confused I see
- Canada Cup

go to your own board.

Exchange trip with Vancity
- walshyleafsfan

he's just here to start some shiite. i have no problem with you since you actually engage a productive manner. that other guy just wants to take this thread down a road no one really wants to travel...

he's just here to start some shiite. i have no problem with you since you actually engage a productive manner. that other guy just wants to take this thread down a road no one really wants to travel...
- kaptaan

I'm just happy that you solved the "posts are disappearing" mystery.

then expose the actual system used then.

you havent yet....you cant, plain and simple
- SMBDragon

some people just don't want to admit that even IF there was some kind of tangible system, it was invisible on the ice.

players playing at the NHL level can understand and execute the basics of any system. if they can't execute a system they won't be playing at that level.

if europeons can execute systems in their leagues, don't see why AHL level players who play in as competitive and maybe higher skilled league wouldn't be able to (if someone thinks the Nux d were all AHL'rs, which they weren't)

I'm just happy that you solved the "posts are disappearing" mystery.
- Canada Cup

trying to start some shiite with your ignorant comments... save it for your leaf friends... why are you in a Nux thread being an bumhole?