Don't forget the hand with the cigar on his forehead while he says that
- Giroux_Is_God

Well.. what do you consider Karlsson? The Norris trophy winner who is extremely sheltered and doesn't play pk. Is he not a top league defenseman because he doesn't log heavy pk minutes ? I'd take an all around guy like doughty over Karlsson but the posts that ghost is a 4th 5th defenseman cause he is sheltered is assanine. Ghost very well could win a Norris for his offense if he continues. Karlsson did.
- Tfaehner

After one season and I expect to take a huge hit for this one. Mike Green was nominated for this Norris strictly for his offense in 2010 with Drew Doughty and the eventual winner Duncan Keith. Chris Pronger undoubtedly with the Flyers had his third best season in his hall of fame career and a more balanced game but didn't receive a nomination. So is it possible Gostisbehere could become Erik Karlsson or is it possible he could become Mike Green? It could probably go either way. I don't agree with Karlsson or PK Subban were deserving the Norris either years that they want.

I think most of us are old enough to know that if we don't like the topic of a conversation, we can just scroll on by, and aren't forced to read it. Not to mention that what he was discussing was a good topic.
- MJL

It's the same misconception that G is this fantastic 2 way player. He's not lost in the defensive zone like Danny Briere and used purely for offense but Giroux is nowhere close to Sean Couturier or Mike Richards. G isn't even close to Jeremy Roenick who was a legit top line center but could be used everywhere. G's bread and Butter is offense and faceoffs and can fill in on defensive situations. He's OK but not ideal.

When did that become a good topic? You are right, I could have replied with more pointless words and gotten involved in a 3 page discussion about something that was stupid to say in the first place. Or I could've just posted a Seinfeld gif. We each have our ways, now move along

- BiggE

I watched a few vids...well done. When did you start playing?

I think most of us are old enough to know that if we don't like the topic of a conversation, we can just scroll on by, and aren't forced to read it. Not to mention that what he was discussing was a good topic.

Not sure why talking about posters such as some of the above posts is okay. Moderators are supposed to take care of that. We should be discussing hockey, and not posters.
- MJL

It's a wonder why we're marked as the villians here. This is as logical and as composed a response you can give, while taking on such immature crap.

Well.. what do you consider Karlsson? The Norris trophy winner who is extremely sheltered and doesn't play pk. Is he not a top league defenseman because he doesn't log heavy pk minutes ? I'd take an all around guy like doughty over Karlsson but the posts that ghost is a 4th 5th defenseman cause he is sheltered is assanine. Ghost very well could win a Norris for his offense if he continues. Karlsson did.
- Tfaehner

Karlsson to me is an outlier. He's a freak offensively. The definition of a top pair defenseman is kind of subjective. In my opinion, Gostisbehere is not going to be a top pairing defenseman, but he's certainly not a 3rd pair defenseman. In my opinion, he's going to be an elite offensive defenseman, if he's not already.

The Flyers can make adjustments to free up the entire team but teams aren't gonna exactly stand still for Giroux, Voracek and Ghost. These guys are gonna have to get by on their own.
- roenick97

Here's the thing the Flyers make adjustments and the other team has to move from those guys which then makes it easier for them them to do what they do so well. It's how the Caps PP gets Ovi so wide open in that same damn spot so often.

Move your boy Brayden a little and Simmer a little elsewhere as the play progresses and boom now G and Ghost are not able to be focused on like the book says.

It's the same misconception that G is this fantastic 2 way player. He's not lost in the defensive zone like Danny Briere and used purely for offense but Giroux is nowhere close to Sean Couturier or Mike Richards. G isn't even close to Jeremy Roenick who was a legit top line center but could be used everywhere. G's bread and Butter is offense and faceoffs and can fill in on defensive situations. He's OK but not ideal.

When did that become a good topic? You are right, I could have replied with more pointless words and gotten involved in a 3 page discussion about something that was stupid to say in the first place. Or I could've just posted a Seinfeld gif. We each have our ways, now move along
- YuenglingJagr

It's a good topic to me. Like I said, if you think it's stupid, then you don't have to read it or discuss it. I know one thing, that discussion is infinitely better than the one you're bringing up now.

It's a good topic to me. Like I said, if you think it's stupid, then you don't have to read it or discuss it. I know one thing, that discussion is infinitely better than the one you're bringing up now.
- MJL

Well, then I guess you should've ignored it

It's the same misconception that G is this fantastic 2 way player. He's not lost in the defensive zone like Danny Briere and used purely for offense but Giroux is nowhere close to Sean Couturier or Mike Richards. G isn't even close to Jeremy Roenick who was a legit top line center but could be used everywhere. G's bread and Butter is offense and faceoffs and can fill in on defensive situations. He's OK but not ideal.

When did that become a good topic? You are right, I could have replied with more pointless words and gotten involved in a 3 page discussion about something that was stupid to say in the first place. Or I could've just posted a Seinfeld gif. We each have our ways, now move along
- YuenglingJagr

I'm sorry, what was wrong with posting this? I thought and still think it was a pretty good of a misconception of a player. Giroux has been called one of the better two way players in the league around here. He isn't, otherwise with his offense he would be a selke nominated guarantee every season. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kessler, Toews and Kopitar are solid two way players from this generation.

I watched a few vids...well done. When did you start playing?
- YuenglingJagr

Thanks!

I originally started playing in my teens with various metal garage bands, but I pretty much stopped playing in my mid 20s when I got to busy with my job and community involvement. About 5 years ago, I bought a new acoustic and started playing and writing songs again and things just took off from there. Hopefully, I will be going part time in my day job in a few years and at that point I'll be spending much more time working on a music career in Key West.

Well, then I guess you should've ignored it
- YuenglingJagr

Here's the thing the Flyers make adjustments and the other team has to move from those guys which then makes it easier for them them to do what they do so well. It's how the Caps PP gets Ovi so wide open in that same damn spot so often.

Move your boy Brayden a little and Simmer a little elsewhere as the play progresses and boom now G and Ghost are not able to be focused on like the book says.
- dragonoffrost

I think with everyone healthy they will begin to all move around more and free up a lot on the PP. If Jake comes out of his PP funk and he becomes a weapon down the right side again, there really shouldn't be an issue.

Schenn has a good shot, can play in tight well, and is very good at puck recovery down low

Simmonds is one of the best net front player in the league

Ghost has a fantastic clapper and can move to open up shots with the best of them...and also recover better than streit

Jake and G just need to both be threats and the defense cant key to one side (Giroux's) like last season

I'm sorry, what was wrong with posting this? I thought and still think it was a pretty good of a misconception of a player. Giroux has been called one of the better two way players in the league around here. He isn't, otherwise with his offense he would be a selke nominated guarantee every season. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kessler, Toews and Kopitar are solid two way players from this generation.
- roenick97

Giroux, when he wants to be, is a very good two way center. However, unlike Datsyuk, Toews and Bergeron, he is not consistent with it. Those guys play a 200 foot game at all times. With G, it comes and goes.

I think with everyone healthy they will begin to all move around more and free up a lot on the PP. If Jake comes out of his PP funk and he becomes a weapon down the right side again, there really shouldn't be an issue.

Schenn has a good shot, can play in tight well, and is very good at puck recovery down low

Simmonds is one of the best net front player in the league

Ghost has a fantastic clapper and can move to open up shots with the best of them...and also recover better than streit

Jake and G just need to both be threats and the defense cant key to one side (Giroux's) like last season
- YuenglingJagr

This is key.

Giroux, when he wants to be, is a very good two way center. However, unlike Datsyuk, Toews and Bergeron, he is not consistent with it. Those guys play a 200 foot game at all times. With G, it comes and goes.
- BiggE

I think this past season he made the most strides in to becoming that 200 foot player.

Here's the thing the Flyers make adjustments and the other team has to move from those guys which then makes it easier for them them to do what they do so well. It's how the Caps PP gets Ovi so wide open in that same damn spot so often.

Move your boy Brayden a little and Simmer a little elsewhere as the play progresses and boom now G and Ghost are not able to be focused on like the book says.
- dragonoffrost

I get what you are saying but guys like Schenn and Simmonds on the PP do the dirty work downlow to open up space high for G, Jake and Ghost to work the top of the Umbrella. When killing a penalty, the penalty killers have to be sound positionally but also help their goaltender out, which is why PKers back off a bit. They could be as aggressive has Brandon Dubinsky but it could lead to a scoring chance if everyone were that aggressive.

I get what you are saying but guys like Schenn and Simmonds on the PP play do the dirty work downlow to open up space high for G, Jake and Ghost to work the top of the Umbrella. When killing a penalty, the penalty killers have to be sound positionally but also help their goaltender out, which is why PKers back off a bit. They could be as aggressive has Brandon Dubinsky but it could lead to a scoring chance if everyone were that aggressive.
- roenick97

Some more speed would certainly help as well.

I think this past season he made the most strides in to becoming that 200 foot player.
- MBFlyerfan

True he was much more consistent than he was in past seasons.

I think this past season he made the most strides in to becoming that 200 foot player.
- MBFlyerfan

He has dominated in years past...to the point where someone even called him the best player in the world It certainly felt like it then. There is no doubt he has the ability

Giroux, when he wants to be, is a very good two way center. However, unlike Datsyuk, Toews and Bergeron, he is not consistent with it. Those guys play a 200 foot game at all times. With G, it comes and goes.
- BiggE

This is fair but he's average at best. You're right, it comes and goes. In fact when G, Jake and Simmonds were formed as a line, they were hemmed in and scored on a few times this past season.

This is key.
- BiggE

Yes it is...and with that there really aren't many teams that have a better group of 5 on the PP.

I think he's old enough to speak for himself, but thanks for more of your sage wisdom. I guess maybe tomorrow we can all discuss why Zac Rinaldo was a reliable all situations forward that would've put up better numbers had he been given better line mates and more ice time while he wasn't suspended or in the penalty box, ya know, to create conversation.
- YuenglingJagr

Tomorrow has arrived, have at it.

Would #14 put up better numbers had he been given better line mates and more ice time?

Giroux, when he wants to be, is a very good two way center. However, unlike Datsyuk, Toews and Bergeron, he is not consistent with it. Those guys play a 200 foot game at all times. With G, it comes and goes.
- BiggE

Giroux made a marked effort to play a better two way game, and improved a lot. I think he sacrificed a good amount of personal achievement for the good of the team. I think Giroux is solid and reliable defensively, but not at the level of the top 2 way centers in the league such as Bergeron and Kopitar. I think with the signing of Gordon, the Flyers can get Giroux ice time in better situations, so he can get back to being used how he should be.

Giroux made a marked effort to play a better two way game, and improved a lot. I think he sacrificed a good amount of personal achievement for the good of the team. I think Giroux is solid and reliable defensively, but not at the level of the top 2 way centers in the league such as Bergeron and Kopitar. I think with the signing of Gordon, the Flyers can get Giroux ice time in better situations, so he can get back to being used how he should be.
- MJL

Geez, how could I forget Bergeron?