I'm always wrong but I like to debate lol….I could easily be Vantel's younger wiser brother
- LeftCoaster

Agreed

I'm feeling very Olympic today
- Redmile247

What's your favourite part? The corruption , the crime , the cheating , or the drug use?

What's your favourite part? The corruption , the crime , the cheating , or the drug use?
- VANTEL

Women's beach volleyball

Women's beach volleyball
- Redmile247

Most have no boobs , no meat on their bones , 6,4 and look like men


Not to mention they have the skin of an alligator from being in the sun far too long

Higher ceiling based on what ? Similar junior numbers ...crouse had better P/G virtanen had more points ....crouse was better as a Canadian world junior ... Virtanen is further along in development but that deal is not a bad thought really
- Redmile247

I have never been impressed watching Crouse. He strikes me as a guy who excelled in junior due to his size and not his skill level. Virtanen has exceptional skating, great size and a good shot. In my opinion, he probably ends up a solid, versatile second line winger (limited due to his hockey sense) while Crouse is a bottom 6 option. Again, hard to predict this early in their careers, I am just not high on Crouse.

Most have no boobs , no meat on their bones , 6,4 and look like men


Not to mention they have the skin of an alligator from being in the sun far too long
- VANTEL

Don't ruin this for me

Would you prefer women's weightlifting ? Team Russia

Don't ruin this for me

Would you prefer women's weightlifting ? Team Russia
- Redmile247

Gymnastics, freakishly small and freakishly bendy

Higher ceiling based on what ? Similar junior numbers ...crouse had better P/G virtanen had more points ....crouse was better as a Canadian world junior ... Virtanen is further along in development but that deal is not a bad thought really
- Redmile247

At first thought of the proposal, I wanted to say yes because I liked the offensive potential that Crouse showed at WJC (admittedly the only time I've really seen him), then Don's post made me pause and reconsider. It would be an interesting trade.

In my unprofessional opinion, I think JV could have the higher potential because I think he has grown up less focused on offense, always being involved in physical play and some shenanigans and not always looking to be a scorer/skilled guy. I see Crouse as the offensive minded one thats been working on it, so he may already be showing close to his potential. If JV can find those soft hands (a la prime Bertuzzi) then he could be a lot more dangerous, but he could just as easily pan out as a bottom six grinder

I have never been impressed watching Crouse. He strikes me as a guy who excelled in junior due to his size and not his skill level. Virtanen has exceptional skating, great size and a good shot. In my opinion, he probably ends up a solid, versatile second line winger (limited due to his hockey sense) while Crouse is a bottom 6 option. Again, hard to predict this early in their careers, I am just not high on Crouse.
- CanuckDon

Fair enough you could be right

At first thought of the proposal, I wanted to say yes because I liked the offensive potential that Crouse showed at WJC (admittedly the only time I've really seen him), then Don's post made me pause and reconsider. It would be an interesting trade.

In my unprofessional opinion, I think JV could have the higher potential because I think he has grown up less focused on offense, always being involved in physical play and some shenanigans and not always looking to be a scorer/skilled guy. I see Crouse as the offensive minded one thats been working on it, so he may already be showing close to his potential. If JV can find those soft hands (a la prime Bertuzzi) then he could be a lot more dangerous, but he could just as easily pan out as a bottom six grinder
- WhiteLie

So you think crouse is more offensive minded but JV could be better if he finds something he doesn't have ?

That seems counter to Dons post doesn't it ?

So you think crouse is life offensive minded but JV could be better if he finds something he doesn't have ?

That seems counter to Dons post doesn't it ?
- Redmile247

No I believe JV has offensive skill and talent, but I agree with Don that his hockey sense isnt the greatest, so he doesnt use it as effectively as he could. I dont think he has put it all together yet, but could be a dangerous finisher if he does.
Crouse, I see as one who has spent time working on his soft hands and making offensive plays. I think you've got a clearer idea of what Crouse will be because of it.

Benning has been attrocious. However, I think there's maybe a bit more going on...

When he took over, our team was clearly headed nowhere but down. Yet, our ownership is both meddling and delusional. So, they couldn't see it and wanted to stay competitive.

Benning knew he wasn't going to be competitive, so he secretly tried to tank his team. He systematically got rid of all our goal-scorers - and replaced them with players who have no offensive instincts whatsoever. Benning didn't want goals. He wanted us to lose, so that ownership would smarten up and we could finally re-build. And, at the very least, he'd get to build his team from the bottom up. He could get rid of anyone he didn't like, and not have to worry about getting equal-value back for them.

Unfortunately, being the worst team in the league wasn't enough to pop our ownership out of their delusion and they still think we can win now (and now Benning's stuck with this weird team he can't really do anything with, who can't score to save their lives).

It's going to be a painful next few years...
- stringerbell

No I believe JV has offensive skill and talent, but I agree with Don that his hockey sense isnt the greatest, so he doesnt use it as effectively as he could. I dont think he has put it all together yet, but could be a dangerous finisher if he does.
Crouse, I see as one who has spent time working on his soft hands and making offensive plays. I think you've got a clearer idea of what Crouse will be because of it.
- WhiteLie

Oh ok gotcha

Benning has been attrocious. However, I think there's maybe a bit more going on...

When he took over, our team was clearly headed nowhere but down. Yet, our ownership is both meddling and delusional. So, they couldn't see it and wanted to stay competitive.

Benning knew he wasn't going to be competitive, so he secretly tried to tank his team. He systematically got rid of all our goal-scorers - and replaced them with players who have no offensive instincts whatsoever. Benning didn't want goals. He wanted us to lose, so that ownership would smarten up and we could finally re-build. And, at the very least, he'd get to build his team from the bottom up. He could get rid of anyone he didn't like, and not have to worry about getting equal-value back for them.

Unfortunately, being the worst team in the league wasn't enough to pop our ownership out of their delusion and they still think we can win now (and now Benning's stuck with this weird team he can't really do anything with, who can't score to save their lives).

It's going to be a painful next few years...
- stringerbell

Yeah, Kesler, Garrison, Bieksa, Kassian, Bonino & Shink were really lighting up the scoreboard.

So why did he sign Vrbata?

So you think crouse is more offensive minded but JV could be better if he finds something he doesn't have ?

That seems counter to Dons post doesn't it ?
- Redmile247

Yeah it's amazing that people can have different opinions.

Most have no boobs , no meat on their bones , 6,4 and look like men


Not to mention they have the skin of an alligator from being in the sun far too long
- VANTEL

They are still women.

Yeah, Kesler, Garrison, Bieksa, Kassian, Bonino & Shink were really lighting up the scoreboard.

So why did he sign Vrbata?
- A_SteamingLombardi

When contrasted against the return (i.e Vey, Sutter, Sbisa, Prust and Granlund) it's not that far-fetched lol.

Yeah, Kesler, Garrison, Bieksa, Kassian, Bonino & Shink were really lighting up the scoreboard.

So why did he sign Vrbata?
- A_SteamingLombardi

classic misdirection.

When contrasted against the return (i.e Vey, Sutter, Sbisa, Prust and Granlund) it's not that far-fetched lol.
- Whiskey-Tango

Vrbata?

classic misdirection.

- RealityChecker

Its funny because he still tried to catch the can.

Vrbata?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I liked the signing, but picking up a second tier, aging perimeter UFA (even when he was knocking back 30ish goal seasons) did little to address the underlying issues on offense.

I liked the signing, but picking up a second tier, aging perimeter UFA (even when he was knocking back 30ish goal seasons) did little to address the underlying issues on offense.
- Whiskey-Tango

the point that asl made was that benning was not employing a stealth tank. his moves (especially vrbata) don't reflect a desire to tank.

vrbata came in and scored 30. that was what benning expected and the player delivered in the first year.

having some made up theory that benning was trying to tank from the start against the wishes of ownership is simply ludicrous, fan fiction.

They are still women.
- thundachunk

Maybe

Since people always talk about the same sort of proposals..

What would peoples thoughts be on trading JV for Lawson Crouse??

With Eriksson, Rodin, Hansen, Boeser, Lockwood and JV all on the right and our LW is basically Sedin, Sven and Etem.

Crouse not as fast as JV but much bigger. The trade would basically be just for positional need.
- mauryballstein

Clearly, throughout the years, the Panthers have been the Canucks trade-booty call. Can anyone think of a team that the Canucks haven't traded with or had a waiver wire transaction with in the past 10 years?

Yeah it's amazing that people can have different opinions.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I thought he was agreeing with the post yet countering it ...