Connor Brown only has to do 1 additional thing to deserve a spot on this team:

Have a 'Brown-stache'
- MaximusAurelius

Only in Movember and in the playoff.

I agree, having a veteran presence is important on a team.

Florida did it right, hell they overpaid for older players for 3-4 years, bringing in young players gradually and now they're looking amazing right now.

Edmonton threw all their young guys in the mix at once and... well... you know how things have been for them.
- Scabeh

Edmonton always had some vets tho... I think people forget that. They just sucked.


Vets are important, but they can't be bad.. Fla has Jagr and had Campbell.. players who had very good careers.. Michalek, Martin, Greening, Laich not so much..

Kadri, Bozak, JVR, Hunwick, Polak, Andersen are our vets... None are really stand out leaders but at least they are better then the aforementioned.

Edmonton always had some vets tho... I think people forget that. They just sucked.


Vets are important, but they can't be bad.. Fla has Jagr and had Campbell.. players who had very good careers.. Michalek, Martin, Greening, Laich not so much..

Kadri, Bozak, JVR, Hunwick, Polak, Andersen are our vets... None are really stand out leaders but at least they are better then the aforementioned.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

disagree - bolded are solid vets with good careers. (there aren't too many Jagr's around)

Edmonton always had some vets tho... I think people forget that. They just sucked.


Vets are important, but they can't be bad.. Fla has Jagr and had Campbell.. players who had very good careers.. Michalek, Martin, Greening, Laich not so much..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

When Hall and Eberle broke in the veteran leaders were Dustin "Pancakes" Penner and Ales "Broken" Hemsky

Yet people are surprised they are so (frank)ed atm.

Edmonton always had some vets tho... I think people forget that. They just sucked.


Vets are important, but they can't be bad.. Fla has Jagr and had Campbell.. players who had very good careers.. Michalek, Martin, Greening, Laich not so much..

Kadri, Bozak, JVR, Hunwick, Polak, Andersen are our vets... None are really stand out leaders but at least they are better then the aforementioned.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Laich has had a decent career...Michalek not bad.

Martin was just a bad signing.

Also, none of the people you mentioned would be good leaders to learn from....except maybe Polak. Exempt would be Anderson....dont know much about him

When Hall and Eberle broke in the veteran leaders were Dustin "Pancakes" Penner and Ales "Broken" Hemsky

Yet people are surprised they are so (frank)ed atm.
- AdamFrench

So! lol..

Horcoff! Staios! Whitney!!

They brought "Captain Canada" back at some point too..

disagree - bolded are solid vets with good careers. (there aren't too many Jagr's around)
- MaximusAurelius

Not really man... they are all pretty meh.. Michalek had some good seasons, and Laich played on some very good teams.

Not really man... they are all pretty meh.. Michalek had some good seasons, and Laich played on some very good teams.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ya and he was a contributing factor to those good teams.

Leadership isnt measured by points.

Edmonton always had some vets tho... I think people forget that. They just sucked.


Vets are important, but they can't be bad.. Fla has Jagr and had Campbell.. players who had very good careers.. Michalek, Martin, Greening, Laich not so much..

Kadri, Bozak, JVR, Hunwick, Polak, Andersen are our vets... None are really stand out leaders but at least they are better then the aforementioned.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Yes well picking the right vets is important I agree.

They need to still be able to contribute and have a positive influence on how to act as professional hockey players (which is very different than playing junior or even the AHL).

Ya and he was a contributing factor to those good teams.

Leadership isnt measured by points.
- Fakepartofme

You have to put up points to be a leader now days.. He didnt contribute much at the end of last year. Jagr is one of the most respected players in the game and Fla feeds off that.. Nylander i dont think was dazzled by Laiches presence..

Ya and he was a contributing factor to those good teams.

Leadership isnt measured by points.
- Fakepartofme

He being their 2nd line centre held them back for years.

Yes well picking the right vets is important I agree.

They need to still be able to contribute and have a positive influence on how to act as professional hockey players (which is very different than playing junior or even the AHL).
- Scabeh

Yeah sure...

And i believe JVR, Bozak, Hunwick, and even Kadri exemplify that. Also our young guys are pretty mature especially Matthews. Nylander seems to handle playing in Toronto like he was born to be here..

I agree, having a veteran presence is important on a team.

Florida did it right, hell they overpaid for older players for 3-4 years, bringing in young players gradually and now they're looking amazing right now.

Edmonton threw all their young guys in the mix at once and... well... you know how things have been for them.
- Scabeh

Step 1 - Acquire all the Veteran leaderships and presence
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - Win cups

Step 1 - Acquire all the Veteran leaderships and presence
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - Win cups
- senstroll

Step 1 - Bring in Mats Sundin to live with Nylander
Step 2 - Hope he doesn't mistake him for a lady
Step 3 - Profitlander

You have to put up points to be a leader now days.. He didnt contribute much at the end of last year. Jagr is one of the most respected players in the game and Fla feeds off that.. Nylander i dont think was dazzled by Laiches presence..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Says who?
He has over 330pts in his career and brings qualities to the table that you would want the kids to learn from.
He doesnt have to put 50 pts every year to be a leader on the team....jesus.
There is only one Jagr in the league....not every team can have him....doesnt mean there arent other leaders.

Did you ask Nylander about Laich?
From what I hear, Brooks was very well liked and respected in the dressing room.

Step 1 - Bring in Mats Sundin to live with Nylander
Step 2 - Hope he doesn't mistake him for a lady
Step 3 - Profitlander
- AdamFrench

i miss him

Yeah sure...

And i believe JVR, Bozak, Hunwick, and even Kadri exemplify that. Also our young guys are pretty mature especially Matthews. Nylander seems to handle playing in Toronto like he was born to be here..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

So Kadri, bozak and JVR exemplify leadership to you but for whatever reason laich doesnt.

ok then.
moving on.

So Kadri, bozak and JVR exemplify leadership to you but for whatever reason laich doesnt.

ok then.
moving on.

- Fakepartofme

I must say... this is quite difficult to understand.

Says who?
He has over 330pts in his career and brings qualities to the table that you would want the kids to learn from.
He doesnt have to put 50 pts every year to be a leader on the team....jesus.
There is only one Jagr in the league....not every team can have him....doesnt mean there arent other leaders.

Did you ask Nylander about Laich?
From what I hear, Brooks was very well liked and respected in the dressing room.
- Fakepartofme

No reason for him not to be liked.. or respected.. And yes, theres only 1 Jagr, but you can't say that there arent better, more respected leaders out there than Laich. I dont mind Liach playing 4th line and a bit of 3rd line.. He's not really what im worried about

Step 1 - Bring in Mats Sundin to live with Nylander
Step 2 - Hope he doesn't mistake him for a lady
Step 3 - Profitlander
- AdamFrench

Imagine the current Leaf roster with an able bodied Mats?

Then imagine the current Jays roster with an effective Roy Halladay on it.

would be so awesome.

Says who?
He has over 330pts in his career and brings qualities to the table that you would want the kids to learn from.
He doesnt have to put 50 pts every year to be a leader on the team....jesus.
There is only one Jagr in the league....not every team can have him....doesnt mean there arent other leaders.

Did you ask Nylander about Laich?
From what I hear, Brooks was very well liked and respected in the dressing room.
- Fakepartofme

Not to mention that Laich played with Papa Nylander back in Washington for two years, so I'd be surprised if William didn't already know him beforehand...

No reason for him not to be liked.. or respected.. And yes, theres only 1 Jagr, but you can't say that there arent better, more respected leaders out there than Laich. I dont mind Liach playing 4th line and a bit of 3rd line.. He's not really what im worried about
- Arctic_AARDVARK

For putting up points, possibly yes.

But to get a stud vet who still dominates...will cost.
For now, I dont mind Laich on the 3rd or 4th line.

Not to mention that Laich played with Papa Nylander back in Washington for two years, so I'd be surprised if William didn't already know him beforehand...
- lumlums

Bingo!

Step 1 - Bring in Mats Sundin to live with Nylander
Step 2 - Hope he doesn't mistake him for a lady
Step 3 - Profitlander
- AdamFrench

Mats would teach him how to smoke 20 a day...

So Kadri, bozak and JVR exemplify leadership to you but for whatever reason laich doesnt.

ok then.
moving on.

- Fakepartofme

We're talking about having players int he lineup who can help the rookies adapt to the NHL lifestyle/game..

Absolutley those guys will help.. Imagine you've been on a job for 6 years and they hired some young worker.. "sorry guys, ive only been here 6 years i dont know anything yet".

You like to turn simple observations and opinions into full blown arguments. If you think Bozak, JVR, Kadri, Hunwick, Polak have nothing to offer in terms of experience and advice you are entitled to your opinion but i think you are wrong.