1. Keith
2. Seabrook
3. Hjalmarsson
4. Campbell
5. TVR
6. Kane's completely innocent

1. Keith
2. Seabrook
3. Hjalmarsson
4. Campbell
5. TVR
6. Kane's completely innocent
- walshyleafsfan

you mean homerism like putting toews at 1 and crosby at 2 and saying this about crosby when comparing them? "Doesn't have quite as many skins on the wall as Toews, except for scoring."

Toews:
- 3 Stanley cups
-1 Conn smyth
-1 Selke trophy
-1 Mark messier

Crosby:
-2 Stanley Cups
-2 Art Ross
-2 Hart
-3 Ted Lindsay
-1 Conn Smyth
-1 Rocket Richard
-1 Mark messier reward

oh and if you care about espy best player award (I don't) toews have 1 and crosby has 7


- martox

HOW DARE YOU USE FACTS TO BACK UP AN ARGUMENT!

Figured Tanner would have:

1. OEL
2. Goligoski
3. Demers
4. OEL
5. Goligoski

Good points. We also are arguing over a set of players who are so close in terms of talent and contributions that it all comes down to personal preference.

I prefer Muzzin because I think he brings a bit more offense and creativity to his game. Perhaps you feel Doughty 'controls' the game better. You watch them more so I'll cede this one to you - but again, it's like trying to say who is better between Mozart and Bach.
- James_Tanner

James a little off topic here but,
A few blogs ago you said draisaitl would be lucky to be as good as kadri. I argued that draisaitl (small 1 year sample size) is just as good if not better.
Last year drai had 51 points which kadri has never gotten to and if you look at the HERO charts which I see you use all the time to "prove" players are better than others drai has the better chart. So I ask again what info are you looking at to say kadri is better than drai and drai will be lucky to get as good as kadri?

you mean homerism like putting toews at 1 and crosby at 2 and saying this about crosby when comparing them? "Doesn't have quite as many skins on the wall as Toews, except for scoring."

Toews:
- 3 Stanley cups
-1 Conn smyth
-1 Selke trophy
-1 Mark messier

Crosby:
-2 Stanley Cups
-2 Art Ross
-2 Hart
-3 Ted Lindsay
-1 Conn Smyth
-1 Rocket Richard
-1 Mark messier reward

oh and if you care about espy best player award (I don't) toews have 1 and crosby has 7


- martox

JJ got owned.

This shouldn't be surprising. I'd put Doughty at #7. Do you know how much difference there is between the second best and the seventh best NHL defenseman? Barely any.

The NHL is made up of the best of the best of the best. And the difference between non-elite players and players who are career AHLers is infinitesimally small.

The difference between Doughty's stats and say OEL's are basically nothing. It comes down to the fact that OEL is my favorite player and Doughty is probably Jay's.
- James_Tanner

I tried this exercise with some non-elite Leaf players. Let's say... Komarov, Lupul, Bozak. I do believe these guys are much better than career AHLers.

Defensemen with 2000 mins toi 5v5 the last 3 years that are top 10 in score zone and venue adjusted RelCF%, RelGF%, Rel.xGF%: Vlasic

A defenseman who has great offensive instincts but is reckless with blind passes in his own zone.
- jmatchett383

TOMAS KABERLE

Defensemen with 2000 mins toi 5v5 the last 3 years that are top 10 in score zone and venue adjusted RelCF%, RelGF%, Rel.xGF%: Vlasic
- Feds91Stammer

Vlasic is viewed as defensive d-man, he will never get wide rang recognition while being really good.

Defensemen with 2000 mins toi 5v5 the last 3 years that are top 10 in score zone and venue adjusted RelCF%, RelGF%, Rel.xGF%: Vlasic
- Feds91Stammer

So....this is the only way?

Good to know.

So....this is the only way?

Good to know.
- Garnie

There was a point being made. You clearly missed it.

There was a point being made. You clearly missed it.
- Feds91Stammer

of course

oh yeah, that must be it. And yet, I don't have Doughty on my team, but would take him without the least bit of a doubt before Karlsson.

Didn't think that would through, did you big guy?
- prock

And Peter Chiarelli chose to have Adam Larsson on his team rather than Taylor Hall, what's your point?

And Peter Chiarelli chose to have Adam Larsson on his team rather than Taylor Hall, what's your point?
- wilkobecks

Means Edm needed a good defenceman much more than another scoring winger.

Means Edm needed a good defenceman much more than another scoring winger.




- Garnie

"good defenceman"

And Peter Chiarelli chose to have Adam Larsson on his team rather than Taylor Hall, what's your point?
- wilkobecks

it's prock, his ONLY point is " I HATE THE SENS NO MATTER HOW STUPID IT MAKES ME SOUND "

That's pretty much been his point for the last 5-6 years now, with almost no change.

"good defenceman"
- martox

Adam Larsson is good. Now taking into account +/- is a flawed stat, but Larsson was a +15 on a team that had team total of -24 goal differential.

Yep, two Norrises and a Smythe in the last five years. He needs to be put down. Pure homerism.
- John Jaeckel

Delete your account

"good defenceman"
- martox

and???

I think Larsson will surprise...not that it should be a surprise but I guess it will be for the guys who just look at charts.

Adam Larsson is good. Now taking into account +/- is a flawed stat, but Larsson was a +15 on a team that had team total of -24 goal differential.
- tomburton99

Larsson is good but you don't trade an elite player for a good player.

Larsson is good but you don't trade an elite player for a good player.
- Feds91Stammer

Jim Benning, Peter Chiarelli and Donald Sweeney: "Of course you do!"

Larsson is good but you don't trade an elite player for a good player.
- Feds91Stammer

That is different conversation. To think Larsson isn't good is the one we were having.

Larsson is good but you don't trade an elite player for a good player.
- Feds91Stammer

Are you really still on the topic? The Oilers have an adundance of forwards. They got exactly what they needed.

That is different conversation. To think Larsson isn't good is the one we were having.
- tomburton99

I need a season ticket so I can keep up.