I think Rodin will surprise. I expect him to be in the 20 goal range as long as his injury doesnt hold him back to start the year.
- mauryballstein

You think Rodin will outscore Sutter?

Ahhh ok, I was having trouble drawing the link between the list and players. Makes more sense now.

That being said, I really dont put much stock in the Hobey Baker award, its a popularity contest (I've voted for a few friends of mine to get up the ballot) and considers other criteria outside of actual hockey abilities



And I would disagree with the NCAA players making it to the NHL being low, there have been plenty and more are coming each year. The latest being Killorn, Krug, Parise, Vanek, Nyqvist Kessel, Toews, Oshie to name a few. http://www.ncaa.com/news/...d-coaches-got-their-start
- WhiteLie

I don't think you can discredit the award - make no mistake its the best of the best that get nominated. But honestly look at the list - about 20 of the last 100 nominees over the last 10 years have made the NHL but of those names only Oshie, Atkinson (sort of), Nygvist, Krug, Gaudreau and Eichel have made any significant impact on a game to game basis. Anyways, point is, history has proven the majority of NCAA players don't usually amount to much on the NHL level - and for those reasons plus Vesey being a spoiled little Kok face - I don't understand the legion of boners lined up to sign this kid and promising him top minutes with top players.

http://www.uscho.com/faq/hobey/

You think Rodin will outscore Sutter?
- CanuckDon

Yup all day. I dont know why this is considered funny?

they've had plenty of opportunity over the years, but insist on continuing to be richard like about it... but hey, i said i'm game if you can make it happen with those two... if not then this board will semi-regularly turn into a shiite show...
- kaptaan

I thought you let it go 5 pages ago...but yet you are still talking about it.

I don't think you can discredit the award - make no mistake its the best of the best that get nominated. But honestly look at the list - about 20 of the last 100 nominees over the last 10 years have made the NHL but of those names only Oshie, Atkinson (sort of), Nygvist, Krug, Gaudreau and Eichel have made any significant impact on a game to game basis. Anyways, point is, history has proven the majority of NCAA players don't usually amount to much on the NHL level - and for those reasons plus Vesey being a spoiled little Kok face - I don't understand the legion of boners lined up to sign this kid and promising him top minutes with top players.

http://www.uscho.com/faq/hobey/
- Brooks_Light

I dont discredit the award entirely, usually a player that had a really good NCAA season wins, I just dont put much stock in it as the award usually goes to the highest scorer (which are often padded by games vs weaker teams - the quality of competition factor), and an older player who has several years on the rest. Since 1981, 24 of the winners were Seniors whereas Eichel/Kariya are the only two freshman to win it, one was a legit NHL star and the other is looking like one.

The NCAA is also only more recently looking like a solid route for NHL talent, with so many NHL drafted players (BCHL type players) and those coming out of the US National Development program (big reason they won a few WJC gold of late), its looking easier for guys to make the jump as they are more physically mature. I think Vesey easily fits top 9 somewhere next season

Yup all day. I dont know why this is considered funny?
- mauryballstein

Lets see....you said Sutter will score between 10-15 goals and Rodin will score 20 ( ):

Sutter over the last 7 seasons has averaged .22 goals per game or 18 goals per season and is entering his prime now. He has scored 20 or more goals twice in his career. I suspect a likely outcome is between 18-22 goals. Again, this is playing in the NHL.

Rodin has averaged .23 goals per game over the last 5 seasons playing in the AHL and SEL. His best season was 19 goals in the SEL!!! He is 25 not some emerging rookie. I would be shocked if Rodin outscores Sutter and the prospect of him scoring 20 is laughable.

I think Rodin will surprise. I expect him to be in the 20 goal range as long as his injury doesnt hold him back to start the year.
- mauryballstein

yes I, excited to have him on the team too. His play is really impressive.
However Id expect him to stutter a bit at the start of the season with adjusting to different ice size.
Still some bozos will certainly call him a bust after merely 2 games

If this doesn't happen this team is (frank)ed.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Id agree with that too.
with lindens comments regarding our coaching staff hopefully management has p*cker slapped wd into changing his ways and getting with the f*ckin program.

yes I, excited to have him on the team too. His play is really impressive.
However Id expect him to stutter a bit at the start of the season with adjusting to different ice size.
Still some bozos will certainly call him a bust after merely 2 games
- SMBDragon

I'll give him 20 games to get at least 3 goals before calling him a bust.

More than 3 and he's a solid pickup.

I believe Sutter gets more goals than him though..

I thought you let it go 5 pages ago...but yet you are still talking about it.
- CanuckDon

agreed...

they've had plenty of opportunity over the years, but insist on continuing to be richard like about it... but hey, i said i'm game if you can make it happen with those two... if not then this board will semi-regularly turn into a shiite show...
- kaptaan

advice; Ive had issues with him too but just avoid him. THere's no point ruining my day with nonsense. Just ignore him, let him look like a loser all by himself.

Your posts in return have gotten a bit out of hand though too. PM him if you want to fight....but personally, it'll just raise your blood pressure and add stress to you. It's not worth it. Better to just take the chill road and let him destroy himself.

If it bothers you just head to gym and destroy some weights. Healthier.

Are you in vancouver btw?

I'll give him 20 games to get at least 3 goals before calling him a bust.

More than 3 and he's a solid pickup.

I believe Sutter gets more goals than him though..
- kaptaan

ill go 30....gotta factor WD scaling him back on ice time if he's not ripping it up immediately

Lets see....you said Sutter will score between 10-15 goals and Rodin will score 20 ( ):

Sutter over the last 7 seasons has averaged .22 goals per game or 18 goals per season and is entering his prime now. He has scored 20 or more goals twice in his career. I suspect a likely outcome is between 18-22 goals. Again, this is playing in the NHL.

Rodin has averaged .23 goals per game over the last 5 seasons playing in the AHL and SEL. His best season was 19 goals in the SEL!!! He is 25 not some emerging rookie. I would be shocked if Rodin outscores Sutter and the prospect of him scoring 20 is laughable.
- CanuckDon

He just came off an MVP season where as sutter came off a 5 goal season. You do realize that SHL doesnt play 82 games they play about half that so the 19 goals would basically double. Even the numbers you posted suggest that.

I'll give him 20 games to get at least 3 goals before calling him a bust.

More than 3 and he's a solid pickup.

I believe Sutter gets more goals than him though..
- kaptaan

I think due to his injury he starts slow but who knows. We will have a good indication in the next few months how things play out.

advice; Ive had issues with him too but just avoid him. THere's no point ruining my day with nonsense. Just ignore him, let him look like a loser all by himself.

Your posts in return have gotten a bit out of hand though too. PM him if you want to fight....but personally, it'll just raise your blood pressure and add stress to you. It's not worth it. Better to just take the chill road and let him destroy himself.

If it bothers you just head to gym and destroy some weights. Healthier.

Are you in vancouver btw?
- SMBDragon

He just came off an MVP season where as sutter came off a 5 goal season. You do realize that SHL doesnt play 82 games they play about half that so the 19 goals would basically double. Even the numbers you posted suggest that.
- mauryballstein

The Canucks will be lucky if Rodin scores 10 goals this season.

Yup all day. I dont know why this is considered funny?
- mauryballstein

I think it's likely the zero NHL games played and the glaring knee injury. I'd take Sutter over Rodin for goals this year, for sure.

He just came off an MVP season where as sutter came off a 5 goal season. You do realize that SHL doesnt play 82 games they play about half that so the 19 goals would basically double. Even the numbers you posted suggest that.
- mauryballstein

I stated he scored .23 goals per game versus Sutter's .22 goals per game in a far inferior league. I used goals per game to take into account the SEL shorter schedule. AN MVP vs. a 5 goal scorer...sweet bias

I don't expect him to improve significantly on his 3-4 goals either but I think that will depend on whether Larsen actually does get the bulk of the PP time and whether the team tries to get Gudbranson going with PP time as well.

Tanev managed only 2 goals on the PP last year but that was 2nd to Edler's 3 and he did that with the 5th most ice time.

I think this year we see Tanev get even less PP icetime and I don't think his limited offensive skills translate as well to 5v5.

If Larsen doesn't make the cut and Gudbranson doesn't get fed the PP minutes I think Tanev does improve that total.
- belcherbd

Tanev will score 6 this year. Phone Vegas hire a bookie, done deal

I dont discredit the award entirely, usually a player that had a really good NCAA season wins, I just dont put much stock in it as the award usually goes to the highest scorer (which are often padded by games vs weaker teams - the quality of competition factor), and an older player who has several years on the rest. Since 1981, 24 of the winners were Seniors whereas Eichel/Kariya are the only two freshman to win it, one was a legit NHL star and the other is looking like one.

The NCAA is also only more recently looking like a solid route for NHL talent, with so many NHL drafted players (BCHL type players) and those coming out of the US National Development program (big reason they won a few WJC gold of late), its looking easier for guys to make the jump as they are more physically mature. I think Vesey easily fits top 9 somewhere next season
- WhiteLie

You've both got solid points, but I have to agree with White Lie here. This isn't the 90's, clearly the NCAA has taken significant strides in turning out NHL ready players with quality training facilities (and trainers obviously) and coaches as the number of players getting drafted/getting NHL jobs has begun to shift.

That being said, the CHL isn't going anywhere. With more European players coming over every year to play, the CHL is also evolving into a different beast. The skill level of both leagues is only going up, which can only make the NHL better.

If this doesn't happen this team is (frank)ed.
- A_SteamingLombardi

atta boy.

That's the attitude to have. Half empty.

Who is going to be the biggest surprise at camp?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Juolevi

Rodrigo Abols.
- belcherbd

Tanev will score 6 this year. Phone Vegas hire a bookie, done deal
- VANTEL

Awesome. Have people been putting Tanev in our top 4?

If yes, double awesome.