Does anyone know for sure what MAF's modified-NMC allows for? According to capfriendly(citing the Post-Gazzette as the source) Fleury supplies a list of 18 teams he can be traded to, 18 teams is a lot of options to find a suitable trade partner.

Also I think too often people are only focusing on Murray and forget that the Pens have 2 other potential high-pedigree goalies in the system. Obviously if Murray proves capable of duplicating his early success over the long haul the preference would be to trade MAf and turn the franchise over to Murray but if the organization is confident that Jarry or Gustavsson will be as good or better than Murray in a few years then moving Murray while his value is sky high isn't the worst option in the world. As I think Dcoms suggested, if a team like Toronto is willing to do something like Marner + 2-2nds then I think you have to seriously consider moving Murray and hoping that 1 of the other young goalies with high end potential goalies pans out in the next 3-4 years.
- jaydogg1974

There were reports of GMJR having "a long conversation with Fleury's agent" at the draft according to NHL network. There is no proof and the Pens are not going to announce it, but my guess is Fleury has already waved his NMC for the purpose of the expansion draft. This obviously gives the Pens much leverage in any trade scenario mid season, but also allows them to keep both if deemed necessary till the end of the season. The Pens and GMJR are to smart to be put in a position of losing murray or having to trade Fleury for pennies on the dollar.

Losing Murray is worst case scenario but a buyout is a close second
- Dcoms

A buyout isn't that much worse than taking on Niemi (or a similar bad contract) in a straight up trade.

Buyout Cap hit = 2 million for 4 seasons
Murray salary (2017 and beyond) = around 4 million
Cheap serviceable backup or Jarry = Around 1 million

7 million invested in goalies on average over the next 4 seasons

With Niemi the 2017 number would be 8.5 million in goalies and around 5 million for the years after that assuming Murray @4 million we get a 1 million $$ or so backup (also, do we trust Murray that we'd get "a $1 million dollar anybody" as a backup or do we spend in the 2.5 million range and get a "proven" backup)

Somehow keeping Fleury and Murray (while bribing Vegas with a draft pick to not take Murray is easily the WORST solution) where the 2017 and beyond goalie number would be almost 10 million and we'd be out the draft pick

Or, Or, Or, you could roll with Fleury @5.75, find a new backup for 1 million and/or use Jarry as the next up and comer and have 6.5-7 million invested in goalies

Then flip Murray for a young top prospect on an ELC to play on the 1st or 2nd line wing for ELC/Bridge contract $$$ and use the savings elsewhere on the roster

Either scenario, you are using 5.5-7 million in goalies through 2017 and beyond, regardless of which road you take

All Time Penguins Team

Robitialle Lemieux Jagr
Hossa Crosby Recchi
Kovalev Malkin Tocchet
Stevens Francis Mullen

Coffey Gonchar
Letang Murphy
Zubov Samuelsson

Fleury
Barrasso

Honorable Mentions: Trottier, Staal, Naslund, Kessel,

Can any other team sport anything close to that? It's crazy how many elite players have come through town over the years
- TheGame316

well something like gretzky,messier, kuri, hall, mc david would be a good start (oilers)

All Time Penguins Team

Robitialle Lemieux Jagr
Hossa Crosby Recchi
Kovalev Malkin Tocchet
Stevens Francis Mullen

Coffey Gonchar
Letang Murphy
Zubov Samuelsson

Fleury
Barrasso

Honorable Mentions: Trottier, Staal, Naslund, Kessel,

Can any other team sport anything close to that? It's crazy how many elite players have come through town over the years
- TheGame316

Tough to put Hossa on there since we had him for only half a season. You may as well throw in Iginla who's also a HoFer waiting to happen. I'd replace Hossa with The Phil. Just doesn't seem right to give a rental that sort of honor. I'd put The Real Deal Scumbag James Neal in before Hossa if I'm being perfectly honest.

Tough to put Hossa on there since we had him for only half a season. You may as well throw in Iginla who's also a HoFer waiting to happen. I'd replace Hossa with The Phil. Just doesn't seem right to give a rental that sort of honor. I'd put The Real Deal Scumbag James Neal in before Hossa if I'm being perfectly honest.
- Victoro311

Also Ron Francis should be higher.

2nd in assists only to (frank)ing Gretzky.

There were reports of GMJR having "a long conversation with Fleury's agent" at the draft according to NHL network. There is no proof and the Pens are not going to announce it, but my guess is Fleury has already waved his NMC for the purpose of the expansion draft. This obviously gives the Pens much leverage in any trade scenario mid season, but also allows them to keep both if deemed necessary till the end of the season. The Pens and GMJR are to smart to be put in a position of losing murray or having to trade Fleury for pennies on the dollar.
- Brianandr1

That's a mammoth assumption that Fleury would agree to waive for an expansion team that will be years out of contention. He'd have to really really love the idea of living in Vegas, and the fact that Fleury has such a young family, I just can't see it

Tough to put Hossa on there since we had him for only half a season. You may as well throw in Iginla who's also a HoFer waiting to happen. I'd replace Hossa with The Phil. Just doesn't seem right to give a rental that sort of honor. I'd put The Real Deal Scumbag James Neal in before Hossa if I'm being perfectly honest.
- Victoro311

luc rob is kinda weird to put there too since he only played 46 games for the penguins but whatever I guess BUT it is a great idea to do the best all time roster for respective teams. something the hotstove should do

Also Ron Francis should be higher.

2nd in assists only to (frank)ing Gretzky.
- BINGO!

Had a buddy of mine try to argue that Francis was the best Penguin in history. He was just trolling me and obviously it was a very wrong take, but it wasn't nearly as hot a take as he thought he was. Francis is very underrated in the pantheon of Penguins greats.

Lemieux, Francis, Crosby, and Malkin are clearly the centers you go with. Which line you place the next three after Super Mario is fairly arbitrary.

luc rob is kinda weird to put there too since he only played 46 games for the penguins but whatever I guess BUT it is a great idea to do the best all time roster for respective teams. something the hotstove should do
- martox

Didn't even notice him there because he was before my time and I didn't know he played so few games for us. I'd boot him too.

Had a buddy of mine try to argue that Francis was the best Penguin in history. He was just trolling me and obviously it was a very wrong take, but it wasn't nearly as hot a take as he thought he was. Francis is very underrated in the pantheon of Penguins greats.

Lemieux, Francis, Crosby, and Malkin are clearly the centers you go with. Which line you place the next three after Super Mario is fairly arbitrary.
- Victoro311

Agreed. The guy is a living legend if he plays for Montreal or Toronto.

Only 2 players in history have hit 1200 assists.

well something like gretzky,messier, kuri, hall, mc david would be a good start (oilers)
- martox

At 1 time Edmonton had Gretzky, Messier, Kuri, Coffey, Tikkanen and Fuhr all on the roster at the same time, start adding in players like Anderson, Weight, Arnott, Guerin, Hall and McDavid and they get there on offense easily. Trying to find 6 defenseman is a whole different story, McSorley may be their 2nd best after Coffey.

luc rob is kinda weird to put there too since he only played 46 games for the penguins but whatever I guess BUT it is a great idea to do the best all time roster for respective teams. something the hotstove should do
- martox

Blaine Stoughton - Ron Francis - Kevin Dineen
Erik Cole - Eric Staal - Jeff O'Neill
Geoff Sanderson - Rod Brind'amour - Ray Whitney
Sylvain Turgeon - Ray Ferraro - Sami Kapanen

Glen Wesley - Ulf Samuelsson
Sean Hill - Justin Faulk
Dave Tippett - Niclas Wallin

Arturs Irbe
Cam Ward

Tough to put Hossa on there since we had him for only half a season. You may as well throw in Iginla who's also a HoFer waiting to happen. I'd replace Hossa with The Phil. Just doesn't seem right to give a rental that sort of honor. I'd put The Real Deal Scumbag James Neal in before Hossa if I'm being perfectly honest.
- Victoro311

I think Detroit boast a pretty impressive all time roster as well.

Zetterberg-Yzerman-Howe
Lindsey-Delvecchio-Shanahan
Hull-Federov-Dionne
Ciccarelli-Datsyuk-Larinov

Lidstrom-Coffey
Murphy-Larson
Schneider-Konstantinov

Sawchuk
Hasek
Osgood

Edit: This was in no particular order.

I think Detroit boast a pretty impressive all time roster as well.

Zetterberg-Yzerman-Howe
Lindsey-Delvecchio-Shanahan
Hull-Federov-Dionne
Ciccarelli-Datsyuk-Larinov

Lidstrom-Coffey
Murphy-Larson
Schneider-Konstantinov

Sawchuk
Hasek
Osgood

Edit: This was in no particular order.
- jaydogg1974

You gotta go with guys who actually played a bunch of games with the team, no? Otherwise Carolina gets Gordie Howe, Sandis Ozolins, Paul Coffey, Doug Weight, Mark Recchi....

You gotta go with guys who actually played a bunch of games with the team, no? Otherwise Carolina gets Gordie Howe, Sandis Ozolins, Paul Coffey, Doug Weight, Mark Recchi....
- BINGO!

ye. I agree

Eliminating the one year rentals of people like Jagr, Coffey, and the like

The Flyers look pretty good.

Barber - Clarke - Leach
LeClair - Lindros - Briere
Propp - Brind'Amour - Tocchet
Schultz - Giroux - Kerr
Recchi - MacLeish - Gagne

Howe - McCrimmon
Timonen - Desjardins
Pronger - B. Wilson (I'd hate to face those two in their prime)

Parent
Hextall
Lindbergh

You gotta go with guys who actually played a bunch of games with the team, no? Otherwise Carolina gets Gordie Howe, Sandis Ozolins, Paul Coffey, Doug Weight, Mark Recchi....
- BINGO!

Pretty sure everyone I used played more than 200 games with the Wings. Tocchet(150), Robatille(46) and Hossa(32) were all on the original posters all-time Pens roster so I think using 200gp was more than a fair cutoff.

PS Beau Bennett had more regular season points in a Pens uniform than Luc Robatille did 45-42.

That's a mammoth assumption that Fleury would agree to waive for an expansion team that will be years out of contention. He'd have to really really love the idea of living in Vegas, and the fact that Fleury has such a young family, I just can't see it
- Victoro311

I don't disagree, but its better then Calgary. It could have also come with the promise of allowing Fleury the opportunity to win back the starting job in 2016-7.(should he outplay murray )

Pretty sure everyone I used played more than 200 games with the Wings. Tocchet(150), Robatille(46) and Hossa(32) were all on the original posters all-time Pens roster so I think using 200gp was more than a fair cutoff.

PS Beau Bennett had more regular season points in a Pens uniform than Luc Robatille did 45-42.
- jaydogg1974

Actually went back to double check and Coffey(231) and Hull(245) were to 2 lowest as far as regular season games played which is roughly 100 more than Tocchet played for Pittsburgh, pretty sure everyone else is over 300 games which puts them in the same range as Recchi and Coffey with Pittsburgh. So if were setting the bar that high then players like Recchi, Coffey, Murphy and Tocchet would all be ineligible for the Pens all time team and their roster gets much weaker.

Roy with the Bombshell!

Roy with the Bombshell!
- jaydogg1974

good

Actually went back to double check and Coffey(231) and Hull(245) were to 2 lowest as far as regular season games played which is roughly 100 more than Tocchet played for Pittsburgh, pretty sure everyone else is over 300 games which puts them in the same range as Recchi and Coffey with Pittsburgh. So if were setting the bar that high then players like Recchi, Coffey, Murphy and Tocchet would all be ineligible for the Pens all time team and their roster gets much weaker.
- jaydogg1974

Just for fun I went back and looked at the Pens all-time roster using just players who played 400+ games in a Pens uniform, this is what you have left:

Stevens-Lemeuix-Jagr
Kunitz-Crosby-Pronovost
Apps-Malkin-Brown
Kehoe-Francis-Schock

Letang-Kasparaitis
Orpik-Stackhouse
Burrows-Scuderi/Buskas

Barrasso
Fleury

I don't disagree, but its better then Calgary. It could have also come with the promise of allowing Fleury the opportunity to win back the starting job in 2016-7.(should he outplay murray )
- Brianandr1

It's really not. Calgary is a bubble team with some velvety promising youth that got sunk horribly by bad goaltending. Vegas won't be a bouble team and they won't have youth.

Roy with the Bombshell!
- jaydogg1974

God I can't even imagine what the Avs would look like if he had MORE personnel decision power. Roy is a dinosaur and maybe now the extremely talented young players the Avs have can have a shot at greatness. (frank) Roy. Good riddance.

Schultz is a RFA and if he has a strong enough year where he looks like he could step into Daily's spot in the top 4, I could see him getting protected.